User talk:Jniemenmaa

Older talk removed on December 11 2004. See history.

Mannerheim Line

Could you discuss the re-addition of the Mannerheim Line to Category:World War II defensive lines over at Talk:Mannerheim Line? Oberiko 12:29, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps

...maybe of interest to you? /Tuomas 08:34, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jniemenmaa!
I saw that you have written som SF-related articles. If you know much on Finnish Science Fiction I would appreciate if you wrote a few words on the page above. I hunt people who might know things about Scandinavian Science Fiction :-) Gunnar Larsson 20:27, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Map of Petsamo

I'd like to order a small modification to your map of Petsamo: Could you separate Jäniskoski area from the map, as it was ceded to Soviet Union 1947. The area is closest to Lake Inari, a small rectangular area you could achieve by continuing the border straight between Norway and SU to border running in same direction between Finland and SU. Whiskey 12:18, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You are heroes, both of you! /Tuomas 16:28, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, J.N., from the new map! (Well, the old border ran SW-NE direction instead of S-N, but that's nitpicking...) If you want to check some text ion issue, see http://www.finlex.fi/linkit/sops/19470009, where the text of the decree where the separation was done is readable (in Finnish, naturally. Sorry folks!). You can trust finlex: It is maintained by Finnish Department of Justice and is a database of Finnish laws and treaties. Whiskey 21:03, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Petsamo, Narvik, Malmbanan, Kiruna, Malmberget, Luleå

Since you have got some experience in the art of making png-maps, may I try to entice you to consider a map to illustrate the plans of 1940 for a Franco-British expedition force to the Arctic, that also could be useful in the context of Operation Weserübung?

I guess it would do with some modifications (Petsamo!) of the map at http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuva:Eurooppa.png

The Malmbanan railroad Narvik-Luleå, and the road to Petsamo, that the British were keen to avoid, are of course in the center of interest.

A peculiar wish of my own would be to illustrate a (typical) ice situation to illustrate the importance of Narvik, i.e. somewhat in accordance with:

Under milda vintrar finns det is i Bottenviken, på redderna utanför hamnarna i Bottenhavet och på Finska viken, i området öster om Borgå longitud. Under normala vintrar är alla Finlands sjödistrikt isbelagda. I söder går gränsen då norr om latitud 59 N.

found at http://www.fma.fi/s/verksamheter/vintersjofarten/pelisaannot_se.pdf

compare: http://www.fimr.fi/stc/palvelut/images/docs/3_max2004.GIF

found at: http://www.fimr.fi/en/palvelut/jaapalvelu/jaatalvi2003-2004.html

regards!

--Johan Magnus 15:50, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Splendid idea! No offence, but I agree with JNiemenmaa, that the map can be improved ...in due time!

I wonder if it would be good to check what it would look like, if one tried to get all of the Kola peninsula, all of Finland ...and I think that would mean all of Norway too... on the map. It's true that the important things then became less obvious (i.e. the rail way line and the Petsamo road), but for people who are less versed in Fenno-Scandinavian geography, that might make it easier to connect the map to one's memory.

An arctic circle could maybe serve a similar purpose.

Another thing that might be valuable would be such a marker of distance, you know, like a stock that is marked for 200 and 500 kilometers, or whatever would be actual on that map.

But in any case - the map is very good in principle, and relevant for not so few articles! Improvements can be made later.
--Ruhrjung 19:08, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)

Thanks to you both for your comments! I think it would be best to do several maps instead of trying to stuff too much info on a single map. A larger overview map for the nordic theater would be quite useful.

Adding a distance marker on the maps should be simple, but adding the polar circle is a lot of work, see my attempt in the map at nordic countries. -- Jniemenmaa 11:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You are right, of course! :-) --Johan Magnus 22:03, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

stress

Thank you for your effort with Meänkieli! I saw your note on wikistress. It's not without me starting to feel some early warning symptoms too. I think I'll retreat to biographic articles. /Tuomas 09:31, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

BTW, did I ever say your maps are good? Maybe I didn't.

Your maps are GREAT contributions! You may feel them to be less than perfect, but they do really improve and explain a lot! /Tuomas 09:35, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Version between Brion's map and Image:Lapland1940.png

Hello,

I would be interested in a map of Lapland with current borders. Image:Lapland1940.png has historical borders with names. Brion Vibber's map has current borders but no names. I would be interested in a map with current borders and names, for at least Narvik, Gällivare Municipality, Kiruna Municipality and Luleå Municipality. Do you have a version which would make it easier to create such a map than either version I mentioned?

Gerritholl aka Topjaklont | Talk 18:13, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Maps of the Continuation War

Hi.

I presume that Image:Continuation-War-1941.png presents the situation at the end of June, right after the start of war? In that case, it is missing some Soviet divisions: 1 Arm.Div.(1.Arm.D) in Kantalahti and 1 Inf.Div.(70.D)+1 Mt.Div.(198.Mt.D)+2 Arm.Div.(21. and 24.Arm.D) in Kannas.--Whiskey 14:23, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

At the start of hostilities, yes. If I remember correctly. I took most of the info from one of the "Jatkosodan historia" books. Too bad I don't have the specific book handy right now. At least the 1st Armoured Division was moved out of the area before it could fight. It is quite likely the reason I didn't put it in. I'll try to fix this sometime when I have time. I'll propably redo the whole map at the same time, I don't really like the look of the unit symbols. -- Jniemenmaa 15:33, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That is true also to some other units as well. Those 21. and 24. Arm.Ds were moved to the southern side of Gulf of Finland as situation there become critical, but they were there at the time (or they were coming there) when Soviet Union decided to end phony war. --Whiskey 15:48, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)