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'''Greater Sudbury''' (2006 [[census]] population 157,857) is a city in [[Northern Ontario]], [[Canada]]. Greater Sudbury was created in 2001 by amalgamating the cities and towns of the former [[Regional Municipality of Sudbury]], along with several previously unincorporated geographic townships.
It is the largest city in Northern Ontario in population, and the 24<sup>th</sup> largest metropolitan area in Canada. In land area, it is the largest city in Ontario, the [[100 largest cities and towns in Canada by area|seventh largest municipality]] in Canada and the largest municipality in English Canada legally designated as a city.
Greater Sudbury is one of only five cities in Ontario — the others are [[Toronto]], [[Ottawa]], [[Hamilton, Ontario|Hamilton]] and [[Kawartha Lakes, Ontario|Kawartha Lakes]] — that constitute their own independent [[census division]]s, and are not part of any [[district]], [[county]] or [[regional municipality]].
It is also the only city in Ontario which has two official names — its name in French is '''Grand-Sudbury'''. Unlike designations such as [[Greater Toronto Area|Greater Toronto]] or [[Greater Montreal Area|Greater Montreal]], the name "Greater Sudbury" refers to a single city, not a conurbation of independent municipalities. However, the name '''Sudbury''', without its official modifiers, is still the more common name for the city in everyday usage.
The city's [[Census Metropolitan Area]] consists of the city proper and the [[Indian reserve|First Nations reserves]] of [[Whitefish Lake 6, Ontario|Whitefish Lake]] and [[Wahnapitae 11, Ontario|Wahnapitae]], and had a population of 158,258 in the 2006 census. Informally, some residents of the area may also consider the metropolitan area to include the towns of [[Markstay-Warren, Ontario|Markstay-Warren]], [[St. Charles, Ontario|St. Charles]] and [[French River, Ontario|French River]], a region commonly known as [[Sudbury East]], as well as the outlying unincorporated communities of [[Estaire, Ontario|Estaire]] and [[Cartier, Ontario|Cartier]].
==History==
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Originally named Sainte-Anne-des-Pins ("St. Anne of the Pines"), the community started as a small lumber camp in McKim [[township (Canada)|township]]. During construction of the [[Canadian Pacific Railway]] in 1883, blasting and excavation revealed high concentrations of [[nickel]]-[[copper]] [[ore]] at [[Murray Mine]] on the edge of the [[Sudbury Basin]].
Earlier, in 1856, provincial land surveyor [[Albert Salter]] had located magnetic abnormalities in the area that were strongly suggestive of mineral deposits, although his discovery aroused little attention because the area was remote. However, the railway construction made mineral prospecting in the area economically feasible. The community was renamed for [[Sudbury, Suffolk]] in England, the hometown of CPR commissioner [[James Worthington]]'s wife<ref>[http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1SEC867615 The Canadian Encyclopedia].</ref>, and grew rapidly as a mining town. Sudbury was incorporated as a town in 1893, and as a city in 1930. The town's first mayor was [[Stephen Fournier]].
Through the decades that followed, Sudbury's economy went through boom and bust cycles as world demand for nickel rose and fell. Demand was high during the [[World War I|First World War]], when Sudbury-mined nickel was used extensively in the manufacture of artillery in [[Sheffield]], [[England]]. It bottomed out when the war ended, rose again in the mid-1920s, then fell as the [[Great Depression]] hit, and rose again during the [[Second World War]]. The [[Frood Mine]] alone accounted for 40 per cent of all the nickel used in [[Allies|Allied]] [[artillery]] production during the war. After the end of that war, however, Sudbury was in a good position to supply nickel to the [[United States]] government when it decided to stockpile non-[[Soviet Union|Soviet]] supplies during the [[Cold War]].
In 1939, Sudbury became the first city in Canada to install [[parking meter]]s.
In the 1950s and 60s, Sudbury was beset by extensive labour unrest, as [[CVRD Inco|Inco]] and [[Falconbridge Ltd.|Falconbridge]] employees not only fought their companies for the right to unionize, but also fought amongst themselves as to what union would represent them. Both the [[Mine, Mill and Smelter Workers]] and the [[United Steelworkers of America]] had support among Sudbury miners, and there were often riots in the streets as the rival factions confronted each other. Ultimately, the two unions settled into an uneasy truce, with Mine Mill winning the right to unionize Falconbridge, and the Steelworkers winning the right to unionize Inco.
In February 1956, the Mine Mill held its Canadian convention, which was particularly notable for being the first non-U.S. concert given by [[Paul Robeson]] after the United States government instituted its travel ban against him. The same year, the city approved a [[natural gas]] contract with [[Northern Ontario Natural Gas]] — the city's mayor at the time, [[Leo Landreville]], was later forced to resign from the [[Supreme Court of Ontario]] bench after allegations that he had received [[stock]] favours in exchange for the contract.
On [[August 20]], [[1970]], a [[Sudbury, Ontario Tornado|tornado]] struck the city and its suburbs, killing six people and remaining the eighth deadliest tornado in Canadian history.
In 1973, the city and its suburban communities were reorganized into the [[Regional Municipality of Sudbury]].
Labour issues would continue to be Sudbury's dominant economic challenge. In 1978, Inco workers embarked on a [[Sudbury Strike of 1978|strike]] over production and employment cutbacks, which lasted for nine full months. As Inco was by this time Sudbury's largest employer, the strike decimated Sudbury's economy. When the strike finally ended in 1979, the city's government recognized the urgent need to diversify the city's economy. Through an aggressive strategy, the city tried to attract new employers and industries through the 1980s and 1990s. Today mining remains an important industry, but Sudbury also derives economic strength as a centre of commerce, government, tourism and science and technology research. Although Vale Inco remains the city's largest single employer, the mining industry is no longer the city's largest ''sector'' of employment, being outranked by education, health care, public administration, retail trade, hospitality services and mining equipment manufacturing.<ref>http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/content/keyfacts/documents/Labour_IndDivChart_Feb03.pdf</ref>
[[Image:Banner in Sudbury, Ontario, circa 1942.jpg|thumb|left|Banner welcoming [[World War II|wartime]] [[Underground mining (hard rock)|hardrock miners]], c. [[October 5]], [[1942]]]]
The city's economic growth has also been hindered at times by [[taxation]] issues: because of federal corporate taxation rules pertaining to [[natural resources]] companies, Sudbury's ability to directly levy municipal taxes on Inco and Falconbridge is severely curtailed, compared to most cities whose major employers operate in other industries. As a result, unlike most cities, fully 75 per cent of Greater Sudbury's tax base comes from residential property taxes.<ref> "Liberals Declare Growth Plan for North," ''Sudbury Star'', 18 May 2007.</ref> Prior to the creation of the Regional Municipality of Sudbury in 1973, the city could not in fact levy ''any'' taxes against the mining companies at all, a fact which sometimes left the city without a sufficient tax base to adequately maintain or improve municipal services. Concurrently with the creation of the Regional Municipality, the city was given the power to levy property taxes on the companies' surface operations, but not on underground facilities. This change improved the city's tax base somewhat, but the ongoing discrepancy has still been cited as a factor in municipal politics as recently as the [[Greater Sudbury municipal election, 2006|2006 municipal election]].
The former regional municipality was amalgamated in 2001 into the single-tier city of Greater Sudbury. In 2006, there was renewed debate on the municipal amalgamation. The former town of [[Rayside-Balfour, Ontario|Rayside-Balfour]], and many of its residents, are unhappy with their position in the city, and lobbied for a deamalgamation [[referendum]] during the 2006 municipal election. City council refused to endorse such a referendum, although even with the council's endorsement a vote would still have to be approved by the provincial [[Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing (Ontario)|Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing]]. In 2006, then-Mayor [[David Courtemanche]] appointed former [[Member of Provincial Parliament|MPP]] [[Floyd Laughren]] to chair an advisory committee to review and make recommendations to improve the quality of city services to the outlying communities. Laughren submitted his final report on [[January 10]], [[2007]], making 34 recommendations for improvements in the city's municipal ward structure, communications, transportation, recreation and transit services.
Also in 2006, both of the city's major mining companies, Inco and Falconbridge, were taken over by new owners: Inco was acquired by the [[Brazil]]ian company [[CVRD]], while Falconbridge was purchased by the [[Switzerland|Swiss]] company [[Xstrata]]. Xstrata donated the historic [[Edison Building (Falconbridge)|Edison Building]], the onetime head office of Falconbridge, to the city in 2007 to serve as the new home of the municipal [[archives]].<ref>[http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/pubapps/newsreleases/index.cfm?Release_id=1877&lang=en "Xstrata Nickel donates building to City of Greater Sudbury for community archives"]</ref>

On September 19, 2008, a fire destroyed part of the [[United Steelworkers of America|Steelworkers]] Hall building located on Frood Road. However, after an attempt to save the building, firefighters were unable to control the blaze and an excavator was brought in to demolish a portion of the building to douse the flames. The fire continued to burn until the early hours the next day. Police have treated the fire as suspicious. Due to extensive damage to the building, it will have to be demolished. <ref>[http://thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1209055 "Chronology of the fire"] ''[[Sudbury Star]]'', [[September 19]], [[2008]]. </ref> <ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/PoliceandCourt/2008/091908-fireTOP.asp?NLStory=091908-fireTOP "Steelworkers Hall goes up in flames"] ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'', [[September 19]], [[2008]]. </ref> <ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/video/default.asp?f=228bfe68e31b.flv&t=Sudbury%20Video%20News%20-%20September%2019,%202008&d=Sudbury's%20video%20news%20with%20Mandi%20Hargrave%20for%20Friday,%20September%2019.Steelworkers Hall Fire (Video) Northern Life] [[September 19]], [[2008]]</ref> <ref>[http://www.sudbury24.ca/media/1920/Steelworkers_Hall_Fire/ Steelworkers Hall Fire (Video) Sudbury24.ca] [[September 19]], [[2008]]</ref> <ref>[http://www.usw.ca/program/content/5317.php?lan=en "Loss of Sudbury Union Hall A Great Tragedy, Historical Records Lost"] ''[http://www.usw.ca USW Canada]'', [[September 19]], 2008.</ref> <ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/PoliceandCourt/2008/092208-Fire2TOP.asp?NLStory=092208-Fire2TOP "Investigation continues into Steelworkers' fire"] ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'' [[September 22]], [[2008]]</ref> <ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/092308-firetop.asp?NLStory=092308-firetop "From historic landmark to ruins: ‘suspicious’ fire destroys union hall; significant records lost in blaze"] ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'' [[September 23]], [[2008]]</ref> <ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/092608-SteelworkersTOP.asp?NLStory=092608-SteelworkersTOP "Steelworkers move into new home"] ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'' [[September 26]], [[2008]]</ref> <ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/PoliceandCourt/2008/092908-RewardTOP.asp?NLStory=092908-RewardTOP "Steelworkers arson reward upped to $15,000"] ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'' [[September 29]], [[2008]]</ref>


== Government ==
== Random personal notes ==
[[Image:Sudbury skyline.jpg|thumb|300px|Downtown Sudbury seen from the foot of the Bridge of Nations.]]
Prior to 1973, Sudbury comprised portions of the [[township (Canada)|geographic townships]] of Neelon and McKim.
In 1973, provincially-mandated restructuring of municipal government organized the city of Sudbury and surrounding towns into the [[Regional Municipality of Sudbury]], which consisted of seven municipalities. The population figures cited next to each are for 1996, the last Canadian [[census]] before the amalgamated city came into effect:
* City of '''Sudbury''' (92,059)
* Town (city after 1997) of [[Valley East, Ontario|Valley East]] (23,537)
* Town of [[Rayside-Balfour, Ontario|Rayside-Balfour]] (16,050)
* Town of [[Nickel Centre, Ontario|Nickel Centre]] (13,017)
* Town of [[Walden, Ontario|Walden]] (10,292)
* Town of [[Onaping Falls, Ontario|Onaping Falls]] (5,277)
* Town of [[Capreol, Ontario|Capreol]] (3,817)
Municipal responsibilities were distributed between the council of the Regional Municipality and the councils of the individual towns and cities. The region covered 2,607 square kilometres.
In 1979, Sudbury became the first city in Canada to install a [[Telecommunications devices for the deaf|TTY]] line in the mayor's office to help improve service to deaf citizens. The city also implemented a new [[3-1-1]] service in 2007.
The five towns and two cities of the region were amalgamated by provincial order on [[January 1]], [[2001]] to become the city of Greater Sudbury. The previously unincorporated [[township (Canada)|township]]s of Dill, Cleland, Fraleck, Parkin, Aylmer, Mackelcan, Rathbun and Scadding were also annexed into the new city.
The city is headed by a [[Greater Sudbury City Council|council]] and [[List of mayors of Sudbury, Ontario|mayor]]. The current mayor of Greater Sudbury is [[John Rodriguez]], who defeated [[David Courtemanche]] in the [[Greater Sudbury municipal election, 2006|2006 municipal election]]. The main municipal office is at [[Tom Davies Square]], named for a former chair of the Regional Municipality of Sudbury. Citizen service offices, which provide an access point for public services such as license applications, are also located in some of the suburban communities, often in the libraries or former town halls of the pre-amalgamation municipalities.
The city is represented federally by [[Members of the Canadian House of Commons|Members of Parliament]] [[Diane Marleau]] in the [[Sudbury (electoral district)|Sudbury riding]], and [[Ray Bonin]] in [[Nickel Belt]]. Their counterparts in the [[Legislative Assembly of Ontario]] are [[Rick Bartolucci]] in Sudbury and [[France Gélinas]] in [[Nickel Belt (provincial electoral district)|Nickel Belt]].
The provincial [[Ministry of Northern Development and Mines (Ontario)|Ministry of Northern Development and Mines]] has its head office in the city.
The municipally-owned energy utility Greater Sudbury Hydro serves the city's urban core, while rural areas in the city continue to be served by [[Hydro One]]. An ongoing and controversial proposal that Greater Sudbury Hydro take over responsibility for all electrical power distribution in the entire city has been a significant political issue in the 2000s.


* [[Spencer Carlin]]
==Communities==
The name ''Greater Sudbury'' is almost exclusively a political designation. In common usage, the city is still generally referred to as ''Sudbury''. The usage ''Greater City of Sudbury'' (rather than ''City of Greater Sudbury'') is also heard on occasion, but is incorrect.
Outside of the region, the name ''Sudbury'' is still commonly understood to refer only to the ''former'' city of Sudbury, with the outlying communities often believed to remain distinct from the city. Some of the outlying communities, for example, still retain their own distinct [[postal code|postal]] and [[telephone exchange]] codes, and for several years after the amalgamation residents in many rural parts of the city still could not call other rural parts of the city without incurring [[long distance]] charges — [[Bell Canada]] did not expand local calling area service in the city until December 2007.<ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2007/12-20-07-crtc.asp?NLStory=12-20-07-crtc "CRTC approves expanded local calling area for Greater Sudbury"], ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'', [[December 20]], [[2007]].</ref>
In local usage, however, the name ''Sudbury'' is more ambiguous — depending on the speaker, it may refer either to the city as a whole or exclusively to the urban core of old Sudbury. However, the names of the former suburban municipalities are still sometimes used to refer to the communities within their boundaries. Several of the city's Community Action Networks, volunteer committees which are responsible for organizing and managing the city's recreational and cultural services in a specific community, retain the names and service boundaries of their pre-2001 municipalities — only the old city and the former town of Nickel Centre are divided into multiple CANs.
For more information on communities within the city, see the articles [[Urban neighbourhoods of Sudbury]], [[Capreol, Ontario|Capreol]], [[Nickel Centre, Ontario|Nickel Centre]], [[Onaping Falls, Ontario|Onaping Falls]], [[Rayside-Balfour, Ontario|Rayside-Balfour]], [[Valley East, Ontario|Valley East]], [[Walden, Ontario|Walden]] and [[Wanup, Ontario|Wanup]].
==Geography==
The ore deposits in Sudbury are part of a large geological structure known as the [[Sudbury Basin]], believed to be the remnants of a 1.85-billion year old [[meteorite]] [[impact crater]]. Sudbury's [[pentlandite]], [[pyrite]] and [[pyrrhotite]] ores contain profitable amounts of many elements—primarily [[nickel]] and [[copper]], but also including smaller amounts of [[cobalt]], [[platinum]], [[gold]], [[silver]], [[selenium]] and [[tellurium]]. It also contains an unusually high concentration of [[sulfur]]. Local smelting of the ore releases this sulfur into the atmosphere where combines with water vapour to form [[sulfuric acid]], contributing to [[acid rain]].
[[Image:Sudbury sunset.JPG|thumb|left|The [[Inco Superstack]] dominates the Sudbury skyline.]]
As a result, Sudbury was widely (although not entirely accurately) known for many years as a wasteland. In parts of the city, vegetation was devastated both by acid rain and by [[logging]] to provide fuel for early [[smelting]] techniques. Sudbury also provided wood for the reconstruction of [[Chicago]] after the [[Great Chicago Fire]] of 1871. The resulting erosion exposed [[bedrock]], which was charred in most places to a pitted, dark black appearance. There was not a complete lack of vegetation in the region, however. [[Paper birch]] and wild [[blueberry]] patches are notable examples of plants which thrived in the acidic soils—and even during the worst years of the city's environmental damage, not all parts of the city were equally affected.
During the [[Apollo program|Apollo]] manned lunar exploration program, [[NASA]] astronauts trained in Sudbury to become familiar with [[shatter cone]]s: a rare rock formation connected with meteorite impacts. However, the popular misconception that they were visiting Sudbury because it purportedly resembled the lifeless surface of the [[moon]] dogged the city for years.
The construction of the [[Inco Superstack]] in 1972 dispersed the sulfuric acid over a much wider area, reducing the acidity of local precipitation and enabling the city to begin an environmental recovery program. In the late 1970s, private, public, and commercial interests combined to establish an unprecedented "regreening" effort. [[Calcium oxide|Lime]] was spread over the charred soil of the Sudbury region by hand and by aircraft. Seeds of wild [[Poaceae|grass]]es and other vegetation were also spread. As of 2006, 8.7 million new trees were planted in the city.<ref>[http://www.greatersudbury.ca/content/div_landreclamation/documents/Annual%20Report%202006%20Website%20Version.pdf Annual Report 2006], City of Greater Sudbury Land Reclamation Program.</ref> As well, the city's [[Nickel District Conservation Authority]] also operates a large [[conservation area]], the [[Lake Laurentian Conservation Area]], in the city's south end.
The ecology of the Sudbury region has recovered dramatically, due both to the regreening program and improved mining practices. In 1992, Sudbury was one of twelve world cities given the Local Government Honours Award at the [[United Nations]] [[Earth Summit]] to honour the city's community-based environmental reclamation strategies. More recently, the city has begun to rehabilitate the [[slag heap]]s that surround the Copper Cliff smelter area, with the planting of grass and trees.
Sudbury is on the [[Canadian Shield|Canadian (Precambrian) Shield]]. With 330 lakes within its boundaries, Sudbury has more lakes than any other municipality in Canada. Among the most notable are [[Lake Wanapitei]], the largest lake in the world completely contained within the boundaries of a single city, and [[Lake Ramsey]], just a few kilometres south of downtown Sudbury, which held the same record before the municipal amalgamation in 2001 brought Lake Wanapitei fully inside the city limits.
===Seismic activity===
On [[November 29]], [[2006]], the city was hit by a minor [[earthquake]], which registered 4.1 on the [[Richter magnitude scale|Richter scale]] and had its [[epicentre]] approximately five kilometres west of Lively. It is believed that the movement began on the 7200 level of [[Creighton Mine]], as ground stress worked its way through upper and lower levels along what is called the Creighton fault.<ref>{{Cite web|last=[[Natural Resources Canada]]|first=|title=Earthquake Report (2006-11-29)|date=[[29 November]]|year=2006|url=http://earthquakescanada.nrcan.gc.ca/recent_eq/2006/20061129.0722.03/index_e.php|format=HTML|accessdate = 2006-09-05 }}</ref> No major damage was reported, although there were reports of the quake being felt as far away as [[Toronto]]. Seismologists confirmed in early December that the quake was most likely related to mining activity in the region.
Similarly, a tremor on [[September 11]], [[2008]] which registered 3.0 on the Richter scale followed a planned blast at the city's North Mine.<ref>{{Cite web|last=[[Sudbury Star]]|first=|title=Rumbling was a seismic event following Vale Inco blast|date=[[11 September]]|year=2008|url=http://thesudburystar.com/articledisplay.aspx?e=1195315|format=HTML|accessdate=2008-09-11}}</ref> <ref>{{Cite web|last[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]|first=|title=Mine blast causes seismic event|date=[[11 September]]|year=2008|url=http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/091108-mineblastTOP.asp?NLStory=091108-mineblastTOP|format=HTML|accessdate=2008-09-11}} ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]''</ref>
Mining-related seismological activity is not uncommon in the region, although it rarely causes any significant damage — in the most notable such incident, the then-outlying community of [[Worthington, Ontario|Worthington]] was destroyed on [[October 4]], [[1927]] when a rock shift caused part of the community to collapse into a [[mine shaft]]. No lives were lost in that incident, however, as a mine foreman had noticed the warning signs and successfully evacuated the community the previous evening. Similarly, on [[June 20]], [[1984]], four miners at [[Falconbridge, Greater Sudbury, Ontario|Falconbridge]] were killed in a [[rock burst]] which registered 3.4 on the Richter scale.
Small earthquakes were also reported on [[March 13]]<ref>{{Cite web|last=Natural Resources Canada|title=Earthquake Report (2005-03-13)|date=[[13 March]]|year=2006|url=http://seismescanada.rncan.gc.ca/recent_eq/2005/20050313.1708/index_e.php|format=HTML|accessdate=2006-09-05 }}</ref> and [[September 20]], [[2005]]<ref>{{Cite web|last=Natural Resources Canada|first=|title=Earthquake Report (2005-09-21)|date=[[21 September]]|year=2006|url=http://earthquakescanada.nrcan.gc.ca/recent_eq/2005/20050921.0336/index_e.php|format=HTML |accessdate=2006-09-05 }}</ref>.


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| Ba-Bh || 33K || 122
|[[French people|French]]
|59,580
|38.81%
|-
|-
| Bi-Bz || 34K || 132
|[[English language|English]]
|30,295
|19.73%
|-
|-
| C || 44K || 170
|[[Irish people|Irish]]
|24,910
|16.22%
|-
|-
| D-E || 41K || 162: (126 + 36)
|[[Scotland|Scottish]]
|21,300
|13.87%
|-
|-
| F-G || 43K || 166: (74 + 92)
|[[Italian people|Italian]]
|12,025
|7.83%
|-
|-
| H-J || 45K || 168: (108 + 17 + 43)
|[[German people|German]]
|10,180
|6.63%
|-
|-
| K-L || 49K || 176: (79 + 97)
|colspan="3"|''Multiple responses included. Table source:<ref>{{cite web|last=[[Statistics Canada]]|first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |title=Ethno-Cultural Portrate of Canada, Table 1 |work= |publisher= |date=2001 |url=http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/highlight/ETO/Table1.cfm?T=501&Lang=E&GV=4&GID=3553005&Prov=35&S=0&O=A|format=HTML|doi=|accessdate=2007-09-05}}</ref>''
|}
Prior to the 2001 amalgamation, the Regional Municipality of Sudbury was the largest [[Census Metropolitan Area]] in Northern Ontario. By itself, however, the city of Sudbury was the ''second'' largest city in the region, behind [[Thunder Bay, Ontario|Thunder Bay]]. Since the amalgamation, however, Greater Sudbury is both the region's largest city and its largest CMA.
The population of Sudbury has declined slightly in recent years, due mostly to many young Sudburians moving to other parts of Canada, especially the southern cities of Ontario. In 2001, the total population of Greater Sudbury was 155,219, a drop of 6.1 percent from the regional municipality's 1996 population of 165,336. Approximately 18.27 percent of the population is under 14 years of age, while those over 65 number 13.84 percent. The average is 38.9 years of age.
In the 2006 census, the city's population increased to 157,857, a growth of 1.7 per cent over 2001. Of that population, 106,612 lived in the city's urban core, while the remaining 51,245 lived in more rural communities within the city limits.
Sudbury is largely a bilingual city. Sudbury has a large [[francophone]] population, mostly due to the significant number of inhabitants of French origin. Some 62.3% of the population speak [[English language|English]] as their first language, followed by [[French language|French]] at 28.2%.<ref>{{cite web|last=Statistics Canada|first= |authorlink = |coauthors = |title =2001 Community Profile |work = | publisher = | date =2001 |url =http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/CP01/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3553005&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=Sudbury&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=Population&Custom= |format=HTML |doi= |accessdate =2007-09-05}}</ref>
The majority of residents in Sudbury are [[Christian]].<ref>{{cite web| last =Statistics Canada |first= | authorlink = | coauthors = | title =2001 Community Profile | work = | publisher = | date =2001 | url = http://www12.statcan.ca/english/profil01/CP01/Details/Page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=3553005&Geo2=PR&Code2=35&Data=Count&SearchText=Sudbury&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom= | format =HTML | doi = | accessdate =2007-09-05 }}</ref> Almost 90 percent of the population claims various Christian denominations, the vast majority being [[Roman Catholic]]: 64.58%, [[Protestant]]: 23.09%, and other Christian groups numbering 1.62%. Other religions such as [[Islam]], [[Judaism]], and [[Hinduism]] constitute less than one per cent.
==Transportation==
[[Highway 17 (Ontario)|Highway 17]] is the main branch of the [[Trans-Canada Highway]], connecting the city to points east and west. An approximately 21-kilometre (15 mile) segment of Highway 17, from Mikkola to Whitefish, is [[freeway]]. As of 2007, this segment is one of only two full freeway segments (the other being [[Highway 11 (Ontario)|Highway 11]] southeast of [[North Bay, Ontario|North Bay]]) in all of Northern Ontario. The provincial [[Ministry of Transportation (Ontario)|Ministry of Transportation]] has announced tentative plans to extend the Highway 17 freeway east to Coniston along the [[Southwest and Southeast Bypasses (Sudbury)|Southwest and Southeast Bypasses]] in the mid-2010s, near the completion date of the Highway 400 construction. Studies have also been completed on the freeway segment's westerly extension to [[McKerrow, Ontario|McKerrow]], although no construction timetable has been set. In the longer term, the whole highway may eventually be subsumed into [[Highway 417 (Ontario)|Highway 417]], although to date no formal project planning has taken place and that is likely decades away. The former alignment of Highway 17 through the city is now [[Greater Sudbury Road 55|Municipal Road 55]].
[[Image:Ramsey lake in sudbury.JPG|thumb|right|View of [[Lake Ramsey]] from [[Science North]].]]
[[Highway 69 (Ontario)|Highway 69]], also a branch of the Trans-Canada Highway, leads south to [[Parry Sound, Ontario|Parry Sound]], where it connects to the [[Highway 400 (Ontario)|Highway 400]] freeway to [[Toronto, Ontario|Toronto]]. Highway 400 will eventually be extended to reach Greater Sudbury; although the timetable may be subject to change, this construction is scheduled for completion in 2017. Highway 69 formerly continued northward to Capreol — this northerly route has also been decommissioned by the province, although portions of it are still referred to locally as "Highway 69 North".
[[Highway 144 (Ontario)|Highway 144]] leads north to [[Timmins, Ontario|Timmins]].
Greater Sudbury is the only census division in Northern Ontario that maintains a system of numbered [[Greater Sudbury, Ontario roads|municipal roads]], similar to the [[county road]] system in the southern part of the province.
The [[Greater Sudbury Airport]] is served by regional carrier lines such as [[Bearskin Airlines|Bearskin]] and [[Air Canada Jazz]]. [[Sunwing Airlines|Sunwing Vacations]] also offers direct flights to [[Orlando, Florida|Orlando]], [[San Felipe de Puerto Plata|Puerto Plata]] and [[Varadero]]. The airport is also undergoing talks with [[Northwest Airlines]] to provide service from the city to one or more U.S. destinations directly. [[Porter Airlines]] also foresees offering service between Greater Sudbury and the [[Toronto City Centre Airport]] in the not-so-distant future.<ref>[http://www.northernontariobusiness.com/industry/transportation/04-07-porter.asp Northern Ontario Business - Deluce soars with Porter Airlines<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
Sudbury is also served by rail ([[Via Rail]], with [[The Canadian]] between Toronto and [[Vancouver, British Columbia|Vancouver]] and the [[Lake Superior (passenger train)|Lake Superior]] between Sudbury and a string of smaller area communities to [[White River, Ontario|White River]]), and inter-city bus service ([[Greyhound Canada]] and [[Ontario Northland Motor Coach Services]]). The city also maintains a [[public transit]] system, [[Greater Sudbury Transit]].
In the [[Canadian Automobile Association]]'s annual Ontario's Worst Roads survey for 2007, four roads in Sudbury were ranked in the top 20, including Lansing Avenue, Notre Dame Avenue, Bancroft Drive and [[Greater Sudbury Road 13|Vermilion Lake Road]], which was ranked as the worst road in the province. Sudbury appeared on the list more times than any other city.<ref name=worst>{{cite web|url=http://www.worstroads.ca/rankings/roadfinal.asp|title=Ontario's Worst Roads Results|date=2007-10-04|accessdate=2007-10-06|author=[[Canadian Automobile Association]]}}</ref>

==Education==
Greater Sudbury is home to three postsecondary institutions: [[Laurentian University]], a bilingual university, [[Cambrian College]], an English college of applied arts and technology, and [[Collège Boréal]], a [[francophone]] college with additional campuses throughout Northern Ontario. (Boréal does, however, offer a few trade courses in English.)
Laurentian University is also home to the Sudbury campus of the [[Northern Ontario School of Medicine]]. NOSM was the first medical school to open in Canada in 30 years, opening its doors in September 2005. Laurentian is also undergoing the planning process of opening the Northern Ontario School of Architecture, hopefully to be opened in 2010. This school would most likely be located on a separate campus in downtown Sudbury. Laurentian is also tentatively planning to open a law school at some point in the future.
English-language public schooling is provided by the [[Rainbow District School Board]]. The board operates 30 elementary and seven secondary schools throughout the city, plus one school for students with special needs and the Cecil Facer Youth Centre for young offenders. The [[Sudbury Catholic District School Board]] offers publicly-funded English-language Catholic schools, with 18 elementary schools, four high schools and an adult education centre. French-language public schools are administered by the [[Conseil scolaire de district du Grand Nord de l'Ontario]] with nine elementary and three secondary schools. Finally, the French-language catholic board is the [[Conseil scolaire de district catholique du Nouvel-Ontario]], with 18 elementary and four secondary schools.
There are also two Christian private schools in the city (Glad Tidings Academy and King Christian Academy), as well as a [[Montessori]] school.
==Culture==
[[Image:BigNickel.jpg|thumb|The Big Nickel at Dynamic Earth in Sudbury]]
===Franco-Ontarians===
Approximately 30 per cent of the city's population is [[Franco-Ontarian]], particularly in the former municipalities of Valley East and Rayside-Balfour. The city has the largest proportion of francophones to the general population of any major city in Ontario. Sudbury also has the second largest francophone community of any city in English Canada, ranking behind only [[Ottawa]].
As a result, Sudbury is a very important centre in Franco-Ontarian cultural history, and the francophone community of Sudbury has played a central role in developing and maintaining many of the cultural institutions of francophone Ontario. Those institutions include the [[Théâtre du Nouvel-Ontario]], [[La Nuit sur l'étang]], [[La Galerie du Nouvel-Ontario]], [[Le Centre franco-ontarien de folklore]] and the [[Prise de parole]] publishing company.
The Franco-Ontarian flag, as well, calls Sudbury home. It was first flown in 1975 at Laurentian University, after being created by a group of teachers at the university. As of 2006, it is now permanently flown at [[Tom Davies Square]].
===Visitor attractions===
[[Image:Science north.JPG||thumb|Science North main building.]]
Sudbury has lent its mining heritage to two major tourist attractions: [[Science North]], an interactive science museum built atop an ancient earthquake fault on the shore of Lake Ramsey, and [[Dynamic Earth]], an earth sciences exhibition which is also home to the [[Big Nickel]], one of Sudbury's most famous landmarks. A mining heritage monument also overlooks the city's [[Bell Park (Sudbury)|Bell Park]].
Another city landmark, the [[Inco Superstack]], is the tallest freestanding [[chimney]] in the Western hemisphere, and the second tallest structure in Canada after the [[CN Tower]].
The city is also home to the [[Greater Sudbury Heritage Museums]], a network of historical community museums.
In 2007, the city undertook a community project which saw the downtown Paris Street bridge retrofitted with 72 flagpoles, each of which will permanently display the flag of a world nation demographically represented among the population of Sudbury. In September 2007, the bridge was officially renamed Bridge of Nations. Although its status has not yet been confirmed, organizers of the project submitted it to the [[Guinness Book of World Records]] for consideration as the world's longest span of flags on a bridge.
===Science and technology===
Sudbury was one of the first Canadian cities to plan and implement its own digital [[telecommunications]] strategy. Beginning in 1996, the city began constructing a [[fibre optic]] network which saw over 400 kilometres of cable laid down to serve the city's business and citizen populations. This has allowed the general public to enjoy broadband internet at higher speeds than many other cities. Traditionally, the highest speed on broadband available to the public is 6Mbit/s. Residents within the urban core can get resident broadband access at 16Mbit/s. In November 2005, the city was named one of the world's "Smart 21 Communities" by the [[Intelligent Community Forum]], a worldwide project to honour technological innovation. Other named cities included [[Waterloo, Ontario|Waterloo]], [[Ottawa]], [[Philadelphia, Pennsylvania|Philadelphia]], [[Dubai]], [[Seoul]], [[London]], [[Manchester]] and [[Melbourne]].<ref>{{cite web | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title =URENIO Portal: Innovation, Environments of Innovation, Intelligent Cities and Regions | work = | publisher = | date = | url =http://www.urenio.org/2005/11/20/smart-21-communities/ | format =HTML | doi = | accessdate =2007-09-06 }}</ref>
The Creighton Mine site in Sudbury is the site of the [[Sudbury Neutrino Observatory]], the lowest background radiation particle detector in the world.
Sudbury hosted the [[International Physics Olympiad]] in 1997.
===Retail===
Sudbury is one of the only cities remaining in Ontario where retail stores are still not permitted to open on [[Boxing Day]], [[December 26]]. Instead, stores in Sudbury begin their post-Christmas Boxing Day sales on [[December 27]]. In recent years, some major chain retailers in the city have occasionally chosen to disregard the municipal bylaw, opening on December 26 and voluntarily accepting the risk of a fine.
With retail businesses in the city increasingly locating outside of the downtown core, particularly in the Four Corners, Kingsway and Lasalle Boulevard areas, the city has struggled in recent years to maintain a vibrant downtown. Recent projects have included the creation of Market Square, a farmer's and craft market, the redevelopment of the Rainbow Centre mall, streetscape beautification projects, and the creation of the Downtown Village Development Corporation, a committee of business and government representatives responsible for creating and maintaining neighbourhood improvement initiatives in the downtown core. At various times, city councillors and community groups have proposed that the city purchase the [[Canadian Pacific Railway|CPR]] stockyards west of Elgin Street in order to expand the downtown area. The Downtown Village Development Corporation has been actively looking at this possibility in 2008.
===Arts and theatre===
The city is home to two [[art gallery|art galleries]], the [[Art Gallery of Sudbury]] and [[La Galerie du Nouvel-Ontario]]. Both are dedicated primarily to Canadian art, especially but not exclusively artists from Northern Ontario.
The city has two professional [[theatre]] companies, the anglophone [[Sudbury Theatre Centre]] and the francophone [[Théâtre du Nouvel-Ontario]]. The STC has its own theatre venue downtown, while the TNO stages its productions in the auditorium at [[Collège Boréal]]. Theatre productions are also staged by students at [[Laurentian University]]'s affiliated [[Thorneloe University|Thornloe]] faculty, by a community theatre company at [[Cambrian College]], as well as by high school drama students at [[Sudbury Secondary School]], [[Lo-Ellen Park Secondary School]] and [[École Secondaire Macdonald-Cartier]].
An annual film festival, [[Cinéfest]], is also held in the city each September. The animated [[CBC Television]] series ''[[Chilly Beach]]'' is produced at [[March Entertainment]]'s Sudbury studio.
The city is investigating the possibility of an 1800-seat performing arts centre, in addition to an arts and entertainment district in the downtown core. <ref>City of Greater Sudbury, Residents, Community Projects, Performing Arts Centre, http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/cms/index.cfm?app=communityprojects&lang=en&currID=7806&parID=0</ref>
===Music===
In 2006 and 2007, community discussion has centred on the creation of a performing arts centre. Sudbury has some trouble attracting concert tours in recent years, in part because, since the demise of the Grand Theatre in the 1990s, the city lacks a suitable mid-size concert venue for bands that have outgrown the bar circuit but are not yet able to fill venues such as the [[Sudbury Community Arena]]. However, despite this, the city has managed to book many high-profile performing acts in 2008, including [[Michael Bublé]], [[Elton John]], [[50 Cent]], [[Avril Lavigne]], [[the Backstreet Boys]], [[Girlicious]], [[Akon]], [[Kenny Rogers]] and [[Bob Dylan]]. [[Bell Park (Sudbury)|Bell Park]]'s outdoor Grace Hartman Amphitheatre and [[Laurentian University]]'s Fraser Auditorium are sometimes used for summer bookings, although neither is available year-round. Additionally, the relatively small size of the Northern Ontario market means that major touring artists will appear, if they play any venues in the region at all, at either the Sudbury Community Arena ''or'' [[Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario|Sault Ste. Marie]]'s [[Essar Centre]], but not both.
Smaller touring [[indie rock]] bands, as well as some local musicians, are usually booked at The Townehouse Tavern, while local bands play a number of small music venues across the city.
The city is also home to annual [[music festival]]s, including Sudbury Summerfest, the [[Northern Lights Festival Boréal]] and [[La Nuit sur l'étang]]. The local [[Sudbury Symphony Orchestra]] performs six annual concerts of [[European classical music|classical music]], staged at the city's Glad Tidings Tabernacle.
Although local bands in the Sudbury area play music in a variety of genres, from [[rock music|rock]] to [[punk rock|punk]] to [[country music|country]] to [[heavy metal]] to [[folk music|folk]] to [[hip hop]], the city's most nationally and internationally successful artists, such as [[Robert Paquette]], [[Kate Maki]], [[Nathan Lawr]], [[Gil Grand]], [[Kevin Closs]], [[CANO]], [[Jake Mathews]] and [[Chuck Labelle]], have predominantly been in the country, folk and country-rock genres. Another notable Canadian country rock band, [[Ox (band)|Ox]], includes two musicians from Sudbury, [[Ryan Bishops]] and [[Mark Browning (musician)|Mark Browning]], but is based in [[Vancouver]]. The punk rock bands Statues and Far From Heroes and the [[rap metal]] bands [[Project Wyze]] and [[Konflit dramatiK]] have also had some success.
Rock guitarist [[Pat Travers]], originally from Toronto, also lived in Sudbury for a number of years during his early career.

===LGBT community===
The city first held its [[Sudbury Pride]] parade in 1997. The annual event takes place in August. Zig's, the city's prominent gay business, is the only gay bar in all of Northern Ontario.<ref>[http://www.northernontario.org/zigs/aboutus.htm Zig's Bar, Sudbury Ontario - About Us<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
===Sudbury in art and literature===
Notable works of fiction set primarily or partially in Sudbury or its former suburbs include [[Bruce McDonald]]'s film ''[[Roadkill (film)|Roadkill]]'', [[Paul Quarrington]]'s novel ''[[Logan in Overtime]]'', [[Robert J. Sawyer]]'s ''[[Neanderthal Parallax]]'' trilogy, [[Alistair MacLeod]]'s novel ''[[No Great Mischief]]'', and [[Jean-Marc Dalpé]]'s play ''1932, la ville du nickel'' and his short story collection ''Contes sudburois''. The city is also fictionalized as "Chinookville" in several books by American comedy writer [[Jack Douglas (writer)|Jack Douglas]].
One of [[Stompin' Tom Connors]]' most famous songs, "[[Sudbury Saturday Night]]", is inspired by the city and its hard rock mining image. Quebec musician [[Serge Robert|Mononc' Serge]] also wrote a song about the city, titled "Sudbury", on his 2001 album ''Mon voyage au Canada''.
Artist [[A. Y. Jackson]]'s 1953 painting "Spring on the Onaping River" depicts a waterfall on the Onaping River between Dowling and Onaping. A scenic lookout on Highway 144 enables a view of the waterfall. The painting itself hung at [[Sudbury Secondary School]] from 1955 to 1974, when it was stolen from the school grounds shortly after Jackson's death and has never subsequently been recovered.
In 2007, Ontario's French language public broadcaster, [[TFO]], announced that it would produce a new [[comedy]] series, ''[[Météo+]]''. The series, which premiered in 2008, is both produced and set in Sudbury.

Sudbury's Lake Ramsey (or Ramsey Lake) was mentioned in an episode of Heroes.

==Media==
{{main|Media in Greater Sudbury}}
As the largest city in Northeastern Ontario, Greater Sudbury is the region's primary media centre. Due to the relatively small size of the region's individual media markets, most of the region is served at least partially by Sudbury-based media — [[CICI-TV]] produces almost all local programming on the [[CTV Northern Ontario]] system, and the CBC Radio stations [[CBCS-FM]] and [[CBON-FM]] broadcast to the entire region through extensive [[rebroadcaster]] networks. As well, most of the commercial radio stations in Northeastern Ontario's smaller cities simulcast programming produced in Sudbury for at least a portion of their programming schedules, particularly in weekend and evening slots.
==Health care==
Greater Sudbury serves as the health care centre for much of northeastern Ontario through the [[Sudbury Regional Hospital]]. The hospital has three sites: St. Joseph's Health Centre (the old Sudbury General Hospital), Sudbury Memorial, and Laurentian. Formerly three separate hospitals, the government of Ontario amalgamated the hospitals in the late 1990s under its health care restructuring agenda. The one-site care facility is still under construction at the site of Laurentian Hospital. Laurentian is also the site of the Regional Cancer Program, which treats cancer patients from across the north. In 1968, the first successful [[coronary artery bypass surgery]] in Canada was performed at Sudbury Memorial Hospital.
Mental health services are also provided to the area through the Northeast Mental Health Centre at the Algoma/Kirkwood Campus.
On [[November 1]], [[2007]], a provincewide [[Amber Alert]] was issued after [[Kirkland Lake, Ontario|Kirkland Lake]] resident Brenda Batisse abducted a newborn baby from the St. Joseph's Health Centre. The baby was found safe, and Batisse was arrested, approximately seven hours later.<ref>[http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=759630&auth=Lara+Bradley "Baby OK, one arrest; Kirkland Lake woman to be charged in infant abduction trauma"], ''[[Sudbury Star]]'', [[November 2]], [[2007]].</ref> Batisse was eventually sentenced to five years in prison for the abduction.<ref>[http://www.northernlife.ca/News/PoliceandCourt/2008/06-18-08-Batisse.asp "Baby-abductor sentenced to five years in jail"], ''[[Northern Life (newspaper)|Northern Life]]'', [[June 19]], [[2008]].</ref>
==Emergency services==
Greater Sudbury is served by the [[Greater Sudbury Police Service]],<ref>
{{cite web | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title =Greater Sudbury Police Service | work = | publisher = | date = | url =http://www.police.sudbury.on.ca/index1.php | format =HTML | doi = | accessdate = 2007-09-06 }}</ref> headquartered in downtown Sudbury. There is also a detachment of the [[Ontario Provincial Police]] located in the McFarlane Lake area of the city's south end.
Greater Sudbury Fire Services operates from 25 fire stations located throughout the city, with a combination of full-time and paid part-time firefighters. Prior to the municipal amalgamation of 2001, most of the suburban towns were served by separate [[volunteer fire department]]s, which were amalgamated into the citywide service as part of the municipal restructuring. Police and EMS services, however, were provided by a single region-wide system prior to amalgamation.
==Sports==
The [[Sudbury Wolves]] of the [[Ontario Hockey League]] play in the city, at the [[Sudbury Community Arena]]. The city is also home to a [[harness racing]] track, located in [[Azilda, Ontario|Azilda]], called [[Sudbury Downs]]. That facility, although not a full [[casino]], also has [[slot machine]]s.
Laurentian University is represented in the [[Canadian Interuniversity Sport]] league by the Laurentian Voyageurs and the Laurentian Lady Vees. Cambrian College is represented in the [[Canadian Colleges Athletic Association]] by the Cambrian Golden Shield, and Collège Boréal is represented by the Boréal Vipères. High school students compete in the Sudbury District Secondary School Athletic Association (SDSSAA), which is a division of Northern Ontario Secondary School Athletics (NOSSA).
The city hosted the [[1988 World Junior Championships in Athletics|IAAF World Junior Championships in Athletics]] in 1988. Sudbury also played host to the [[The Brier|Brier]], Canada's annual men's [[curling]] championships, in 1953 and 1983, and to the [[2001 Scott Tournament of Hearts]], the women's curling championship.
The [[Sudbury Spartans]] football club have played in the [[Northern Football Conference]] since 1954. The team was originally known as the Hardrocks in honour of the city's mining industry. However, then coach Sid Forster believed that the name "Hardrocks" sounded too much like a street gang and the name was changed to the Spartans in 1967.
The city is also investigating the possibility of building a new sports centre, set to include four NHL-sized ice pads (one of which will be a signature rink with a seating capacity of 1200 and an indoor running track), indoor pool, multi-use space, tennis dome, gymnastics centre, a restaurant, two multi-use grass fields, two artificial turf fields, multi-use outdoor trails, skate park, basketball court and playground. The facility will be built on a {{convert|127.46|acre|km2|sing=on}} property on the northeast corner of the LaSalle Extension and Frood Road, near [[Collège Boréal]]. Costs for this facility are estimated at $70 million; since the land is already owned by the city, no land acquisition costs are involved, thus this amount need not include land development costs.<ref>City of Greater Sudbury, Residents, Community Projects, Multi-Use Recreation Complex, http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/cms/index.cfm?app=communityprojects&lang=en&currID=7805&parID=0</ref>.
==Climate==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
| M || 38K || 136
! Temperature
! Jan
! Feb
! Mar
! Apr
! May
! Jun
! Jul
! Aug
! Sep
! Oct
! Nov
! Dec
! Year
|-
|-
| N-O || 22K || 71: (44 + 27)
| Daily Average
| -13.6
| -11.4
| -5.3
| 3.1
| 11.3
| 16.2
| 19
| 17.7
| 12.3
| 5.8
| -1.5
| -9.5
| 3.7
|-
|-
| P-Q || 33K || 117: (109 + 8)
| Daily Maximum
| -8.4
| -6.1
| -0.1
| 8.5
| 17.2
| 22
| 24.8
| 23.1
| 17.3
| 10
| 2
| -5.1
| 8.8
|-
|-
| R || 38K || 129
| Daily Minimum
| -18.6
| -16.6
| -10.4
| -2.2
| 5.3
| 10.4
| 13.3
| 12.3
| 7.2
| 1.5
| -5.1
| -13.9
| -1.4
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! Precipitation
! Jan
! Feb
! Mar
! Apr
! May
! Jun
! Jul
! Aug
! Sep
! Oct
! Nov
! Dec
! Year
|-
|-
| Sa-Sc || 26K || 75
| Rainfall(mm)
| 12.5
| 7.1
| 29.8
| 47
| 75.9
| 77.7
| 76.6
| 90.7
| 101.2
| 76.8
| 47.6
| 13.7
| 656.5
|-
|-
| Sd-Si || 22K || 64
| Snowfall(cm)
| 63.8
| 50
| 38.9
| 18.3
| 1.5
| 0
| 0
| 0
| 0.1
| 5.3
| 32.4
| 64.2
| 274.4
|-
|-
| Sj-Sz || 32K || 102
| Precipitation(mm)
|-
| 68.6
| T-V || 43K || 137: (79 + 4 + 54)
| 50.6
|-
| 65.9
| W-Z || 53K || 164: (143 + 2 + 7 + 12)
| 64.9
| 77.5
| 77.8
| 76.6
| 90.5
| 101.3
| 82.1
| 76.5
| 67.1
| 899.3
|}
|}

== Question ==
Weather averages are for the period from 1970 to 2000.

You're an admin, what should I do about [[Template_talk:Same-sex_unions#Marriage_Listings|this deadlocked discussion]]? Just remove it? :) <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">t</font><font color="#ffff00">j</font><font color="#009900">f</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 02:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
==Notable people==

{{main|List of people from Greater Sudbury}}
:Get some more input. There's only a couple comments - There's a great opening already on [[Talk:Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States]]. Also put a note at [[Talk:Same-sex_marriage]]. You might also mention [[WP:UNDUE]], which doesn't specifically deal with this, but is related. Also, [[Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States]] doesn't even mention the tribe, so that's one place to start. -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 02:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:: What do we do when it looks about even? Count the "votes" and go with what the majority says, or ask a 3rd party to "decide"? <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">t</font><font color="#ffff00">j</font><font color="#009900">f</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 00:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
==Sister cities==
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* {{flagicon|Belarus}} [[Gomel]], [[Belarus]]
::::There's no time limit. :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 04:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* {{flagicon|Finland}} [[Kokkola]]/[[Karleby]], [[Finland]]
::::: LOL, well I'm an impatient queen...throw your admin weight into it (like you did) and remove it! :) <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 05:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==References==
::::::You know this has nothing to do with being an admin or not - it's simply a content question that needs to be decided by consensus. And since I've weighed in to the argument, even if it ''were'' an admin function, I'd be disqualified. So get a cuppa tea and watch the situation unfold :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 05:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::::: So being no time limit, does that mean we could be sitting here deadlocked for 12 months?? <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==External links==
::::::::Yes, we could. And your tea might get cold. :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 05:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
{{commonscat|Greater Sudbury, Ontario}}
::::::::: LOL, I hate to be a pain...but how do we "know" when a consensus is reached? Is there some definite threshold that has to be met? Do we just have to convince all the supporters of leaving it in, that they should switch their view? That is what I meant by "using your admin weight". How do you, or any admin decide what the consensus is, while closing an AfD, CfD, RfA (obviously a Bureaucrat)? <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 05:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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*[http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca City of Greater Sudbury]
(outdent) Again, there's a big difference between ''admin'' decisions and ''non-admin'' decisions. For admin decisions, there's no hard-and-fast rule, but there are guidelines. You can read them at the descriptions of [[WP:AFD]], [[WP:CFD]], etc.
*[http://www.sudbury.ca Greater Sudbury Development Corporation]

*[http://www.sudburytourism.ca Sudbury Tourism]
For content, things can be somewhat murkier. For *strict* content (like including "Sam was born in Kentucky"), the guidelines are providing sources and relevance. Most of those discussions are ''non-admin'' discussions that just need to be hashed out, get [[WP:3O]], and keep discussing. And for living people, you have to include [[WP:BLP]], which sometimes *does* stray into ''admin'' decisions. And admins make mistakes, too - which is why we have [[WP:DRV]] and the like.
*[http://www.cyberbeach.net/~seajay/sudbury.html The Real Sudbury Page]

*[http://www.downtownsudbury.com/ Downtown Sudbury]
In this case, '''you''' ''could'' remove the Coquille and request that supporters provide sources that indicate why the tribe's stance is important (have there been any books or news articles on it, for example). Since a [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=coquille+tribe+gay quick gNews search provides nothing], you could argue that it doesn't meet the "encyclopedic" threshold, and that it doesn't belong. Of course, [[WP:CCC]], so just keep watch and keep discussing. And keep an open mind - just maybe the tribe's actions will change the US constitution - stranger things have happened :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 05:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.sudburyphotos.ca/ Sudbury Photos]
: HAHA, them changing the Constitution is a long shot! Ok, I'll give it till tomorrow when I wake up, to see if any more discussion, otherwise I'll remove it, on either not notable enough, or not encyclopedic enough. <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 05:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.sudburymuseums.ca/ Sudbury Museums]
:: Would you mind commenting [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#New_Category_Creation|here]]? I need more input, and your an active project member. <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 20:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.virtualsudbury.com/ Virtual Sudbury]
::: BTW, how come we haven't gotten a proj newsletter lately? Not sure who makes those. <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 19:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.mysudbury.ca/portal Greater Sudbury Community Web Portal]

*[http://www.talksudbury.com/ Talk Sudbury Forum]
== Speedy deletion of [[PBXes]] ==
*[http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/lakewaterquality/maps/lakeindex.cfm? Maps & Lake Data]

*[http://www.city.greatersudbury.on.ca/cms/index.cfm?app=div_landreclamation&lang=en&currID=7418&parID=0 Land Reclamation in Sudbury]
Hi, two days ago you deleted [[PBXes]] two hours after a db warning tag was put there. Wouldn't it have been better to first wait a few days before proceeding? Are you able to un-delete? Thanks [[User:Techy71]] Concerning the notability of the page: this can already be seen by it linking to several other pages. PBXes is a cloud application/SIP software and geo-social network. This makes what wikipedia is for, describing technologies and linking them together. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 00:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*[http://www.sudburymuseums.ca/index.cfm?app=w_vmuseum&lang=en&currID=1400&parID=1390 History of Sudbury] at [[Greater Sudbury Heritage Museums]]

Hi there, yes, too bad indeed, what is the rational behind deleting it?? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ecorthay|Ecorthay]] ([[User talk:Ecorthay|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ecorthay|contribs]]) 13:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
===Weather information===

*[http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_e.html?Province=ALL&StationName=Sudbury&SearchType=BeginsWith&LocateBy=Province&Proximity=25&ProximityFrom=City&StationNumber=&IDType=MSC&CityName=&ParkName=&LatitudeDegrees=&LatitudeMinutes=&LongitudeDegrees=&LongitudeMinutes=&NormalsClass=A&SelNormals=&StnId=4132&&autofwd=1 Full Weather Data]
PBXes is a wonderful application with a large worldwide network of satisfied and loyal customers. I've used it for almost three years. The services offered by PBXes are very useful and can be of great benefit to wikipedia users looking for virtual pbx services. I can't understand why its article would be deleted.
*[http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/pages/CAON0664.htm?CAON0664 The Weather Network - Sudbury, Ontario, Canada]

*[http://weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/on-40_metric_e.html Weather from Environment Canada/Weather office]
PBXES is indeed a very nice application but from how I understand wikipedia it's very simple. Pbxes is a commercial company and wikipedia is being use to advertise for a commercial system. If pbxes would have been non-commercial and free things might have been different. Every commercial company thinks he makes, sell offer good products services that can be helpfull for many people, but wikipedia is not an advertising platform, that makes wiki what it is. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.224.83.46|213.224.83.46]] ([[User talk:213.224.83.46|talk]]) 06:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*[http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/71730.html Sudbury, Ontario Forecast] from [[Weather Underground (weather service)]]

: There are a lot of pages on businesses. WP is not just about non-commercial and academic projects. Besides this PBXes is mostly (99% of the accounts) used as a free service. It is a product not being advetised for. This article and a lot of other articles on the web about PBXes are not created by PBXes, also this article was by one of its users. E.g. already in 2006 PBXes was named one of the top web applications by [http://www.reseize.com/reseized/2006_12_01_reseized.html]. ([[User talk:Techy71|talk]]) 11:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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I would like to know why this entry was deleted, also. Please give us a chance to reinstate it. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WoodyLarry|WoodyLarry]] ([[User talk:WoodyLarry|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WoodyLarry|contribs]]) 12:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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::The article was deleted because it seemed to be simply [[WP:SPAM]]. If you have [[WP:V|verifiable information]] from [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], please feel free to recreate. You may wish to review [[WP:FIRST]] for information on writing your article and how to avoid deletion. Thanks! -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 20:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hey SatyrTN, I have responded to your comments at the FLC, I would greatly appreciate it, if you could have another look over the article for me. Cheers [[User:NapHit|NapHit]] ([[User talk:NapHit|talk]]) 15:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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Hello my friend, just one more dumb quick question. I've wondered about this for some time, but when one is making changes I notice there's space to specify what the changes were. Is it best to do this? How much depth does one need to go into? And when is it called for? (I know see that it seems to be good protocol to explain the reasoning behind some changes). Thanks again for all your help. Best, [[User:MarmadukePercy|MarmadukePercy]] ([[User talk:MarmadukePercy|talk]]) 19:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Hi, MarmadukePercy! Those are called "edit summaries", and you can find out more about them at [[Help:Edit summary]]. Short answer: I recommend always putting something short and sweet in there. Hope that helps :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 20:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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::Yes, as always, most helpful. Thank you much! [[User:MarmadukePercy|MarmadukePercy]] ([[User talk:MarmadukePercy|talk]]) 05:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Has your bot retired from doing this? '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User talk:YellowMonkey#Straw_poll_for_selecting_photos_of_Australia_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics|<font color="#FA8605">click here to choose Australia's next top model</font>]]'') 07:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Um. Not really, but I haven't done much testing or work with it recently. If you have any other resource, I recommend going with that, since I don't know how much time I'll have in the next few weeks to devote to getting the bot up and running. -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 04:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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== Ongoing problem ==

By and large, wikipedia is a wonderful place, especially given its open-source nature. But there are inevitably the somewhat sour apples. One has stolen at least one idea of mine and leaped to post his own article first (after I'd explained why someone was notable). The same individual has repeatedly trampled on my contributions, without first saying a word. I'm fed up. To whom does one complain, and to what panjamdrum does one address one's complaints? Many thanks from a loyal wikipedian. Best regards,[[User:MarmadukePercy|MarmadukePercy]] ([[User talk:MarmadukePercy|talk]]) 03:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:First, of course, see if the person in question will talk to you directly. If that doesn't accomplish what you think you need, you might go to [[WP:DR|Dispute Resolution]] and see if those steps or people can help.
:Sorry that you're having issues :(
:-- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 04:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Advocate article ==

He's cute and he lives close! Satyr, that would be great! Thanks. [[User:Queerudite|Queerudite]] ([[User talk:Queerudite|talk]]) 13:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Barnstar German Translation ==

Hi, as I could see you awarded User:GLGermann with the Star, and it has an Translation of the text saying
"Here's the LGBT Barnstar, awarded to you for all your wonderful work in translating German articles to the English wikipedia! Thanks!

Ist hier das LGBT Barnstar, zugesprochen Ihnen für Ihre ganze wundervolle Arbeit, wenn es deutsche Artikel zum englischen wikipedia übersetzt! Danke!"

I would recommend to change the German part of the text to:
"Hier ist der LGBT Barnstar, er wurde Dir verliehen für Deine wunderbare Arbeit die deutschen Artikel für die englische Wikipedia zu übersetzen. Danke!"

may not be perfect, but in German this version sounds a bit more like a real sentence with some meaningful grammar ;-)
[[Special:Contributions/87.162.85.199|87.162.85.199]] ([[User talk:87.162.85.199|talk]]) 02:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== '07 Population estimates ==

What's wrong with including population estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau? They're valid estimates from the most authoritative source on the subject and numerous other Wikipedia pages for cities, towns, and other municipalities include population estimates. Heck, sometimes they have cited sources from less reliable sources than the U.S. Census Bureau. I believe it's understood that no population figures are 100% accurate unless they're from census years (and even those aren't technically 100% accurate). In addition, I'm not removing the official 2000 census figures from any of the demographics sections since all other figures are based on them, and I'm not changing the lead-in paragraphs population numbers either.

If you'd like to help, I've been using the U.S. Census Bureau's population finder: [http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFPopulation?_submenuId=population_0&_sse=on Population Finder].

I started by updating figures for cities in counties that I've lived in and now I'm moving on to towns whenever I have free time to update a few figures here and there. I started doing this out of curiosity as to how much the populations have changed in the past several years. --[[User:Amwestover|Amwestover]] ([[User talk:Amwestover|talk]]) 04:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Good Weekend not online ==

Hello, SatyrTN. No luck here either. Good Weekend is also an insert for the Sydney Morning Herald (The Age and SMH are both owned by the Fairfax organisation). I checked the SMH site [http://www.smh.com.au/siteguide/] and it tells us Good Weekend is not carried online. Pity, really, it's sometimes full of excellent reading - but I guess they have to give people some incentive to buy the hard copy paper. I believe they put out a consolidated GW CD every quarter. If microfiche is still used these days (I'm out of practice in doing that sort of research), I suppose it would eventually become available through library newspaper microfiche holdings. Sorry. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 21:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:That certainly confirms they're a married couple, but it doesn't give any details of where and when the marriage took place. or even if there was a "marriage". I'm sure you know that "married couple" is often used in the gay/lesbian world to mean 2 boy/girl friends who have a committed relationship but nothing more "legal" than that. I have no worries with adding it in as an additional source, but the GW is the only one I know of that tells us they had a UK civil partnership in 2007. Re your struck-out post, I don't see the issue with WP:V. That doesn't say that the only acceptable refs are online ones. If all we can find is a paper source, that's better than nothing. True, it means it can't be readily checked, but that's no different from the vast number of book/journal cites we use in major articles. The only way anyone else can verify the cite is to obtain a copy of the book/journal and go to the page referred to. That's usually not too hard, an inconvenience and maybe a wait at worst, but in this case I guess overseas readers just have to trust that I really did get it from a published source. I'll keep my eye out for something online in the meantime. The non-online availability of GW is actually a damn shame, because I've collected lots of clippings from GW over the years, many of which I've been planning to use as WP citations. I'll still do so if all else fails, but I'll prefer online cites if they exist. -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz#top|talk]]) 02:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::And I see you've found it via the journo's name. Well done. How did you track it down? -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 02:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Diligence :) I'd found it before, but I don't like using the website of the journalist, since that may or may not be what was printed. But I feel like the two together are strong enough to pass most [[WP:RS]] concerns. Thanks for your help! -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 02:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Makeida ==

Hello... FYI, I've relisted the speedy for [[Makeida]]. I didn't want to just delete it, given your removal, but the article is one that has been repeatedly created for promotional purposes. The user who did so ended up being indef-blocked for his/her actions. AS well, the references are from blogs and other unreliable sources. Thoughts? --'''[[User:Ckatz|Ckatz]]'''''<small><sup>[[User_talk:Ckatz|<font color="green">chat</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ckatz|<font color="red">spy</font>]]</sub></small>'' 05:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeh, I saw some of that. I didn't look at all the refs, but saw that it had been recreated, even by a user namd Makeida. I would have preferred an AfD, just to get community consensus, but whatever :) -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 14:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== NH Population figures ==

Hi SatyrTN, Yeah, I noticed all those changes as well and was going to do nothing, due simply to their sheer volume. But it's already led to a problem in [[Chester, New Hampshire|one town]], so if you're willing to roll them back, I'll support you. The only alternative you might want to consider would be having both the 2000 and the 2007 figures in the infobox, with 2000 clearly labeled as "census" and 2007 as "estimate". I think I've seen that done elsewhere, but can't come up with the specific article. Good to have you back in action, by the way! --[[User:Ken Gallager|Ken Gallager]] ([[User talk:Ken Gallager|talk]]) 15:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Question

You're an admin, what should I do about this deadlocked discussion? Just remove it? :) Ctjf83Talk 02:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Get some more input. There's only a couple comments - There's a great opening already on Talk:Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States. Also put a note at Talk:Same-sex_marriage. You might also mention WP:UNDUE, which doesn't specifically deal with this, but is related. Also, Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States doesn't even mention the tribe, so that's one place to start. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
What do we do when it looks about even? Count the "votes" and go with what the majority says, or ask a 3rd party to "decide"? Ctjf83Talk 00:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Response, please? CTJF83Talk 21:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
There's no time limit. :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL, well I'm an impatient queen...throw your admin weight into it (like you did) and remove it! :) CTJF83Talk 05:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
You know this has nothing to do with being an admin or not - it's simply a content question that needs to be decided by consensus. And since I've weighed in to the argument, even if it were an admin function, I'd be disqualified. So get a cuppa tea and watch the situation unfold :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
So being no time limit, does that mean we could be sitting here deadlocked for 12 months?? CTJF83Talk 05:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we could. And your tea might get cold. :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL, I hate to be a pain...but how do we "know" when a consensus is reached? Is there some definite threshold that has to be met? Do we just have to convince all the supporters of leaving it in, that they should switch their view? That is what I meant by "using your admin weight". How do you, or any admin decide what the consensus is, while closing an AfD, CfD, RfA (obviously a Bureaucrat)? CTJF83Talk 05:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Again, there's a big difference between admin decisions and non-admin decisions. For admin decisions, there's no hard-and-fast rule, but there are guidelines. You can read them at the descriptions of WP:AFD, WP:CFD, etc.

For content, things can be somewhat murkier. For *strict* content (like including "Sam was born in Kentucky"), the guidelines are providing sources and relevance. Most of those discussions are non-admin discussions that just need to be hashed out, get WP:3O, and keep discussing. And for living people, you have to include WP:BLP, which sometimes *does* stray into admin decisions. And admins make mistakes, too - which is why we have WP:DRV and the like.

In this case, you could remove the Coquille and request that supporters provide sources that indicate why the tribe's stance is important (have there been any books or news articles on it, for example). Since a quick gNews search provides nothing, you could argue that it doesn't meet the "encyclopedic" threshold, and that it doesn't belong. Of course, WP:CCC, so just keep watch and keep discussing. And keep an open mind - just maybe the tribe's actions will change the US constitution - stranger things have happened :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

HAHA, them changing the Constitution is a long shot! Ok, I'll give it till tomorrow when I wake up, to see if any more discussion, otherwise I'll remove it, on either not notable enough, or not encyclopedic enough. CTJF83Talk 05:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Would you mind commenting here? I need more input, and your an active project member. CTJF83Talk 20:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
BTW, how come we haven't gotten a proj newsletter lately? Not sure who makes those. CTJF83Talk 19:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of PBXes

Hi, two days ago you deleted PBXes two hours after a db warning tag was put there. Wouldn't it have been better to first wait a few days before proceeding? Are you able to un-delete? Thanks User:Techy71 Concerning the notability of the page: this can already be seen by it linking to several other pages. PBXes is a cloud application/SIP software and geo-social network. This makes what wikipedia is for, describing technologies and linking them together. —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC).

Hi there, yes, too bad indeed, what is the rational behind deleting it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecorthay (talk • contribs) 13:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

PBXes is a wonderful application with a large worldwide network of satisfied and loyal customers. I've used it for almost three years. The services offered by PBXes are very useful and can be of great benefit to wikipedia users looking for virtual pbx services. I can't understand why its article would be deleted.

PBXES is indeed a very nice application but from how I understand wikipedia it's very simple. Pbxes is a commercial company and wikipedia is being use to advertise for a commercial system. If pbxes would have been non-commercial and free things might have been different. Every commercial company thinks he makes, sell offer good products services that can be helpfull for many people, but wikipedia is not an advertising platform, that makes wiki what it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.224.83.46 (talk) 06:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of pages on businesses. WP is not just about non-commercial and academic projects. Besides this PBXes is mostly (99% of the accounts) used as a free service. It is a product not being advetised for. This article and a lot of other articles on the web about PBXes are not created by PBXes, also this article was by one of its users. E.g. already in 2006 PBXes was named one of the top web applications by [1]. (talk) 11:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I would like to know why this entry was deleted, also. Please give us a chance to reinstate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WoodyLarry (talk • contribs) 12:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it seemed to be simply WP:SPAM. If you have verifiable information from reliable sources, please feel free to recreate. You may wish to review WP:FIRST for information on writing your article and how to avoid deletion. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

List of The Open Championship champions

Hey SatyrTN, I have responded to your comments at the FLC, I would greatly appreciate it, if you could have another look over the article for me. Cheers NapHit (talk) 15:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

A Quick Question

Hello my friend, just one more dumb quick question. I've wondered about this for some time, but when one is making changes I notice there's space to specify what the changes were. Is it best to do this? How much depth does one need to go into? And when is it called for? (I know see that it seems to be good protocol to explain the reasoning behind some changes). Thanks again for all your help. Best, MarmadukePercy (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, MarmadukePercy! Those are called "edit summaries", and you can find out more about them at Help:Edit summary. Short answer: I recommend always putting something short and sweet in there. Hope that helps :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, as always, most helpful. Thank you much! MarmadukePercy (talk) 05:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NBA All-Rookie Team

User:K. Annoyomous24/FLC resolved

Bot WikiProject tagging

Has your bot retired from doing this? YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 07:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Um. Not really, but I haven't done much testing or work with it recently. If you have any other resource, I recommend going with that, since I don't know how much time I'll have in the next few weeks to devote to getting the bot up and running. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing problem

By and large, wikipedia is a wonderful place, especially given its open-source nature. But there are inevitably the somewhat sour apples. One has stolen at least one idea of mine and leaped to post his own article first (after I'd explained why someone was notable). The same individual has repeatedly trampled on my contributions, without first saying a word. I'm fed up. To whom does one complain, and to what panjamdrum does one address one's complaints? Many thanks from a loyal wikipedian. Best regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 03:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

First, of course, see if the person in question will talk to you directly. If that doesn't accomplish what you think you need, you might go to Dispute Resolution and see if those steps or people can help.
Sorry that you're having issues :(
-- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Advocate article

He's cute and he lives close! Satyr, that would be great! Thanks. Queerudite (talk) 13:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar German Translation

Hi, as I could see you awarded User:GLGermann with the Star, and it has an Translation of the text saying "Here's the LGBT Barnstar, awarded to you for all your wonderful work in translating German articles to the English wikipedia! Thanks!

Ist hier das LGBT Barnstar, zugesprochen Ihnen für Ihre ganze wundervolle Arbeit, wenn es deutsche Artikel zum englischen wikipedia übersetzt! Danke!"

I would recommend to change the German part of the text to: "Hier ist der LGBT Barnstar, er wurde Dir verliehen für Deine wunderbare Arbeit die deutschen Artikel für die englische Wikipedia zu übersetzen. Danke!"

may not be perfect, but in German this version sounds a bit more like a real sentence with some meaningful grammar ;-) 87.162.85.199 (talk) 02:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

'07 Population estimates

What's wrong with including population estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau? They're valid estimates from the most authoritative source on the subject and numerous other Wikipedia pages for cities, towns, and other municipalities include population estimates. Heck, sometimes they have cited sources from less reliable sources than the U.S. Census Bureau. I believe it's understood that no population figures are 100% accurate unless they're from census years (and even those aren't technically 100% accurate). In addition, I'm not removing the official 2000 census figures from any of the demographics sections since all other figures are based on them, and I'm not changing the lead-in paragraphs population numbers either.

If you'd like to help, I've been using the U.S. Census Bureau's population finder: Population Finder.

I started by updating figures for cities in counties that I've lived in and now I'm moving on to towns whenever I have free time to update a few figures here and there. I started doing this out of curiosity as to how much the populations have changed in the past several years. --Amwestover (talk) 04:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Good Weekend not online

Hello, SatyrTN. No luck here either. Good Weekend is also an insert for the Sydney Morning Herald (The Age and SMH are both owned by the Fairfax organisation). I checked the SMH site [2] and it tells us Good Weekend is not carried online. Pity, really, it's sometimes full of excellent reading - but I guess they have to give people some incentive to buy the hard copy paper. I believe they put out a consolidated GW CD every quarter. If microfiche is still used these days (I'm out of practice in doing that sort of research), I suppose it would eventually become available through library newspaper microfiche holdings. Sorry. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

That certainly confirms they're a married couple, but it doesn't give any details of where and when the marriage took place. or even if there was a "marriage". I'm sure you know that "married couple" is often used in the gay/lesbian world to mean 2 boy/girl friends who have a committed relationship but nothing more "legal" than that. I have no worries with adding it in as an additional source, but the GW is the only one I know of that tells us they had a UK civil partnership in 2007. Re your struck-out post, I don't see the issue with WP:V. That doesn't say that the only acceptable refs are online ones. If all we can find is a paper source, that's better than nothing. True, it means it can't be readily checked, but that's no different from the vast number of book/journal cites we use in major articles. The only way anyone else can verify the cite is to obtain a copy of the book/journal and go to the page referred to. That's usually not too hard, an inconvenience and maybe a wait at worst, but in this case I guess overseas readers just have to trust that I really did get it from a published source. I'll keep my eye out for something online in the meantime. The non-online availability of GW is actually a damn shame, because I've collected lots of clippings from GW over the years, many of which I've been planning to use as WP citations. I'll still do so if all else fails, but I'll prefer online cites if they exist. -- JackofOz (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
And I see you've found it via the journo's name. Well done. How did you track it down? -- JackofOz (talk) 02:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Diligence :) I'd found it before, but I don't like using the website of the journalist, since that may or may not be what was printed. But I feel like the two together are strong enough to pass most WP:RS concerns. Thanks for your help! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Makeida

Hello... FYI, I've relisted the speedy for Makeida. I didn't want to just delete it, given your removal, but the article is one that has been repeatedly created for promotional purposes. The user who did so ended up being indef-blocked for his/her actions. AS well, the references are from blogs and other unreliable sources. Thoughts? --Ckatzchatspy 05:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeh, I saw some of that. I didn't look at all the refs, but saw that it had been recreated, even by a user namd Makeida. I would have preferred an AfD, just to get community consensus, but whatever :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

NH Population figures

Hi SatyrTN, Yeah, I noticed all those changes as well and was going to do nothing, due simply to their sheer volume. But it's already led to a problem in one town, so if you're willing to roll them back, I'll support you. The only alternative you might want to consider would be having both the 2000 and the 2007 figures in the infobox, with 2000 clearly labeled as "census" and 2007 as "estimate". I think I've seen that done elsewhere, but can't come up with the specific article. Good to have you back in action, by the way! --Ken Gallager (talk) 15:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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