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==Bad Source== |
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The ADL should not be listed as a credible source, as they are a Jewish political organization with a clear agenda to push kosher products towards the general population. Please replace their reference with a credible source. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.67.117.0|71.67.117.0]] ([[User talk:71.67.117.0|talk]]) 01:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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'''Egnatia Odos''' ({{lang-el|Εγνατία Οδός}}, often translated as Via Egnatia) is a major highway, still under construction, that runs 670 km (416 miles) from the [[Greece|Greek]]-[[Turkey|Turkish]] border on the [[Maritsa|Evros]] river to the western Greek port of [[Igoumenitsa]]. The project to build the road began in the 1990s and as of 2008 it is about 80% complete.<ref>[http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.asp?id=32&la=2 THE PROGRESS OF THE PROJECT]</ref> Its present route comprises most of Greek National Road 2. |
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:The ADL doesn't "push kosher products towards the general population". [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 00:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== It's fallacious to describe this as an urban myth == |
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The route traverses the mountainous Greek regions of [[Epirus (periphery)|Epirus]] and [[Macedonia (Greece)|Macedonia]], crossing the [[Pindos]] and [[Vermion]] mountains, which have posed formidable engineering challenges. When completed, its full length will include 76 tunnels (with a combined length of 99 km / 61.5 miles) and 1,650 bridges. It is a closed highway with sophisticated electronic surveillance measures, SCADA controls for the lighting/tunnel ventilation and advanced vehicle collision absorption measures.<ref>[http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.asp?la=2&id=274 Main Road Furniture], [http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.asp?la=2&id=275 Main Tunnel Equipment]</ref> |
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It's fallacious to describe this as an urban myth then in the following paragraphs describe that it is a true practice. Since most organizations aren't willing to disclose the actual cost-per-item due to kosher tax, it's quite likely that the cost is significantly higher than the "6.5 millionths" stated in the article. |
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The kosher tax is not an urban myth. It may be exaggerated but it does exist and it is in effect. |
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*Stretching: From the port of [[Igoumenitsa]], [[Thesprotia]] to the border crossing of Kipoi, on the River [[Evros]] |
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*Total length: 670 kilometres |
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*Serving the Regions: [[Thesprotia Prefecture|Thesprotia]] - [[Ioannina Prefecture|Ioannina]] - [[Grevena Prefecture|Grevena]] - [[Kozani Prefecture|Kozani]] - [[Imathia Prefecture|Imathia]] - [[Thessaloniki Prefecture|Thessaloniki]] - [[Kavala Prefecture|Kavala]] - [[Xanthi Prefecture|Xanthi]] - [[Rodope Prefecture|Rodopi]] - [[Evros Prefecture|Evros]]. |
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*Linked with the borders of: [[Albania]] - [[Republic of Macedonia|former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia]] - [[Bulgaria]] - [[Turkey]], through nine major vertical axes. |
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*Passing through the towns of: [[Igoumenitsa]] - [[Ioannina]] - [[Metsovo]] - [[Grevena]] - [[Kozani]] - [[Veroia]] - [[Thessaloniki]] - [[Kavala]] - [[Xanthi]] - [[Komotini]] – [[Alexandroupolis]] |
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*Linked to the Ports of: [[Igoumenitsa]] - [[Thessaloniki]] - [[Kavala]] – [[Alexandroupolis]] |
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*Linked to the Airports of: [[Ioannina]] - [[Kastoria]] - [[Kozani]] - [[Thessaloniki]] - [[Kavala]] – [[Alexandroupolis]] |
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*Technical characteristics: Dual carriageway with two traffic lanes per direction, a central reserve and an emergency lane on the right. |
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*The area served accounts for: |
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**36% of the country's total population |
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**33% of its total gross national product |
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**In the primary sector, 54% of total farmland and 65% of total irrigated land |
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**In the secondary sector, 41% of total industrial employment, and |
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**51% of total mining activity. |
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To label it an urban myth seems pretty biased to me. |
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Part of its length, a section of about 360 km (223 miles) from [[Evros]] to [[Thessaloniki]], parallels the ancient Roman [[Via Egnatia]], which ran from modern [[Durrës]] in [[Albania]] to Thessaloniki and thence to Byzantium (now [[Istanbul]], [[Turkey]]). The project has therefore been dubbed a modern Via Egnatia (in [[Greek language|Greek]], Egnatia Odos / Εγνατία Οδός). However, the parallel is not exact; the original Via Egnatia was much longer (1,120 km / 696 miles) and its western section, from Thessaloniki to the Adriatic Sea, ran much further north than the modern road. |
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I raise this issue that a consensus might be reached and the subsequent alteration made. If this change is not made, I will make it myself. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.9.35.155|75.9.35.155]] ([[User talk:75.9.35.155|talk]]) 07:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[[Image:Egnatia2.jpg|thumb|right]] |
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:It's a myth that it's a tax, and it's a myth that Jews use it to extort money for Israel. Voluntary fees that organizations pay for certifications are not "taxes". Is [[ISO 9000]] certification a hidden tax? [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 23:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I like the "I raise this issue that a consensus might be reached" and then "if the change is not made I will make it myself". I wonder if the editor sees the contradiction there? --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 16:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::The people who subscribe to this myth are generally unable to comprehend the self-contradictory nature of their statements. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 00:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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There is nothing contradictory about my statement. If I had said: changes should only be made when a consensus is reached and therefore I raise this issue that a consensus might be reached and if one is not reached, I will administer the changes myself, then I would have been contradictory. What I said and what I thought was implicitly clear by my statement was that I will settle for no consensus and merely alter the article to reflect reality if needed. Doing so with a consensus would be preferable though as then no editing battle would ensue. And I assure you, without this article becoming locked I have more than enough resources to win such a battle. |
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[[Image:Viaegnatia.jpg|thumb|right|Egnatia odos-the tunnels which connect central and west Macedonia]] |
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There is nothing mythological about the term "Kosher Tax." It is a figure of speech. The word tax is used to refer to the fact that we're more or less forced to pay it. Not that it's a government sanctioned tax. |
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The project has raised concerns for the survival of nearby sites of [[ecology|ecological]] and [[archaeology|archaeological]] significance. The construction of the Pindos stretch (i.e. from [[Grevena]] to [[Ioannina]]) was delayed due to environmental concerns about the destruction of the habitat of the endangered brown bear. However, a new routing was proposed in 2003, and now this part is expected to be complete in 2008. |
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Also I have seen few references to this theory that the money is directly siphoned to Israel. While it probably gets there one way or another, that's not the point. Most money in america finds it's way to Israel. The point is that the Kosher Tax refers to a fee that we are all forced to pay. The fee goes into the pockets of Jewish organizations that profit quite nicely. |
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In addition to the main highway, three perpendicular auxiliary highways are under construction connecting the highway to important cities, ports and airports of Macedonia. |
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The argument that our country is run by corporations and therefore that intertwining religion with the huge corporations that package food is basically a fusion of church with state is probably sound. But it, like the Israel argument, and the 'Tax' argument are irrelevant. |
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The total cost of the project is estimated to be about 5.9 billion euros by the time of its completion in 2008, making it probably the most ambitious and expensive public project ever to have taken place in modern Greece. It is a key route in the [[trans-European road network]] and forms part of [[European route E90]]. |
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Kosher Tax refers to a fee we're all forced to pay on products that then goes into the pockets of Jews. |
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==References== |
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If the Kosher Tax is such a myth then why are things like plastic baggies.. and shampoo.. and dish detergent.. paper plates.. and a whole plethora of products we don't consume at all Kosher Taxed? It is a real issue. It does exist and it's far from a myth. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.9.35.155|75.9.35.155]] ([[User talk:75.9.35.155|talk]]) 00:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==External links== |
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*Find some [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that share your point of view and you'll have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're just talking through your hat. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|∇∆∇∆]]</small></sup> 00:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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* [http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.asp?id=5&la=2 The official website], with information on current progress and more. (English version) |
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{{Greekroads}} |
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[[Category:Roads in Greece|Greek National Road 2]] |
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[[bg:Егнатия Одос]] |
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[[de:Autobahn 2 (Griechenland)]] |
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[[el:Εγνατία Οδός]] |
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[[he:אגנטיה אודוס]] |
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[[ru:Эгнатия]] |
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[[sk:Diaľnica A2 (Grécko)]] |
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[[sv:A2 (motorväg, Grekland)]] |
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Bad Source
The ADL should not be listed as a credible source, as they are a Jewish political organization with a clear agenda to push kosher products towards the general population. Please replace their reference with a credible source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.117.0 (talk) 01:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- The ADL doesn't "push kosher products towards the general population". Jayjg (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It's fallacious to describe this as an urban myth
It's fallacious to describe this as an urban myth then in the following paragraphs describe that it is a true practice. Since most organizations aren't willing to disclose the actual cost-per-item due to kosher tax, it's quite likely that the cost is significantly higher than the "6.5 millionths" stated in the article.
The kosher tax is not an urban myth. It may be exaggerated but it does exist and it is in effect.
To label it an urban myth seems pretty biased to me.
I raise this issue that a consensus might be reached and the subsequent alteration made. If this change is not made, I will make it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.9.35.155 (talk) 07:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's a myth that it's a tax, and it's a myth that Jews use it to extort money for Israel. Voluntary fees that organizations pay for certifications are not "taxes". Is ISO 9000 certification a hidden tax? Jayjg (talk) 23:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
There is nothing contradictory about my statement. If I had said: changes should only be made when a consensus is reached and therefore I raise this issue that a consensus might be reached and if one is not reached, I will administer the changes myself, then I would have been contradictory. What I said and what I thought was implicitly clear by my statement was that I will settle for no consensus and merely alter the article to reflect reality if needed. Doing so with a consensus would be preferable though as then no editing battle would ensue. And I assure you, without this article becoming locked I have more than enough resources to win such a battle.
There is nothing mythological about the term "Kosher Tax." It is a figure of speech. The word tax is used to refer to the fact that we're more or less forced to pay it. Not that it's a government sanctioned tax.
Also I have seen few references to this theory that the money is directly siphoned to Israel. While it probably gets there one way or another, that's not the point. Most money in america finds it's way to Israel. The point is that the Kosher Tax refers to a fee that we are all forced to pay. The fee goes into the pockets of Jewish organizations that profit quite nicely.
The argument that our country is run by corporations and therefore that intertwining religion with the huge corporations that package food is basically a fusion of church with state is probably sound. But it, like the Israel argument, and the 'Tax' argument are irrelevant.
Kosher Tax refers to a fee we're all forced to pay on products that then goes into the pockets of Jews.
If the Kosher Tax is such a myth then why are things like plastic baggies.. and shampoo.. and dish detergent.. paper plates.. and a whole plethora of products we don't consume at all Kosher Taxed? It is a real issue. It does exist and it's far from a myth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.9.35.155 (talk) 00:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- Find some reliable sources that share your point of view and you'll have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, you're just talking through your hat. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)