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Welcome

Hello, Gregorywill, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} and your question on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Mark Kimmet

In order to understand where Raineybt is coming from, it would be helpful if you reviewed our "NPOV" policy, rules about biographies and the bio section of our Manual of Style. I'd encourage you to keep discussing the issue and see if you can both come to a reasonable agreement. However, please avoid making personal comments and try to assume everyone is working for the best. If you cannot reach an agreement after giving discussion a full chance to work, you can ask for an outside opinion. We also have noticeboards revolving around our content rules. In this case, the knowledgeable people at the noticeboards for "NPOV" issues and biographical articles would be best suited to offer an informed opinion. If discussion and outside input fail to resolve the disagreement, informal mediation would be a good next step. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send me an email. Be well! Vassyana (talk) 04:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

September 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Mark Kimmitt. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Prince of Canada^{t | c} 03:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

MedCab

I will be closing this case as unresolved, as the two of you have returned to edit-warring. If you both want to pursue mediation of this issue, I will welcome your return to the discussion. However, I will only mediate between you if you both completely refrain from editing the article, the talk page, and each other's talk pages as of the datestamp of this message, until mediation is completed.

If you both wish to continue with this, and agree to the above conditions, please return to the mediation case page and sign your username below the identical comment I have made there in the Mediator Notes section with four tildes, and nothing else. Please do not make any comments, simply sign your names to indicate agreement. I'll give you a few days to consider. Until then, please refrain from further edit-warring on the article page. Prince of Canada^{t | c} 03:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Kudos

		The Half Barnstar
		For your openmindedness and willingness to compromise on the recent MedCab case. Well done. Prince of Canada^{t \| c} 04:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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+==Welcome==
-{{Infobox Book | <!-- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels or Wikipedia:WikiProject_Books -->
+Hello, '''Gregorywill''', and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Gregorywill|your contributions]]. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the '''[[Wikipedia:New contributors' help page|New contributors' help page]]''', where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type '''<code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code>''' and your question on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
-| name          = [[Demian: The Story of Emil Sinclair's Youth]]
+*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The Five Pillars of Wikipedia]]
-| title_orig    = Die Geschichte von Emil Sinclairs Jugend
+*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
-| translator    = Hilda Rosner
+*[[Wikipedia:Tutorial|Editing tutorial]]
-| image         = [[Image:Demiancover.jpg]]
+*[[Wikipedia:Picture tutorial|Picture tutorial]]
-| image_caption = The cover of ''Demian'' by [[Hermann Hesse]].
+*[[Wikipedia:How to write a great article|How to write a great article]]
-| author        = [[Hermann Hesse]]
+*[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions|Naming conventions]]
-| illustrator   =
+*[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]
-| cover_artist  =
+We hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! By the way, you can sign your name on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;. If you have any questions, see the [[Wikipedia:Help|help pages]], add a question to the [[Wikipedia:village pump|village pump]] or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! [[User:Vassyana|Vassyana]] ([[User talk:Vassyana|talk]]) 04:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
-| country       = [[Germany]]
-| language      = [[German language|German]]
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-| genre         = [[Novel]]
-| publisher     = [[HarperPerennial|HarperClassics]] (Eng. trans)
-| release_date  = 1919
-| english_release_date = 1962
-| media_type    = Print ([[Hardcover|Hardback]] & [[Paperback]])
-| pages         = 176 pp (first English edition, paperback)
-| isbn          = ISBN 0060931914 (first English edition, paperback)
-| preceded_by   =
-| followed_by   =
-}}
+== Mark Kimmet ==
-'''''Demian: The Story of Emil Sinclair's Youth''''' is a [[Bildungsroman]] by [[Hermann Hesse]], first published in 1919, but a prologue was added in 1960. Demian was first published under the pseudonym "Emil Sinclair", the name of the narrator of the story, but Hesse was later revealed to be the author. The name "Emil Sinclair" was chosen because he was a friend of the poet [[Novalis]], whom Hesse adored.  The novel was written in just three weeks.{{Fact|date=October 2008}}
+In order to understand where Raineybt is coming from, it would be helpful if you reviewed our [[WP:NPOV|"NPOV" policy]], [[WP:BLP|rules about biographies]] and [[WP:BLPSTYLE|the bio section]] of our [[WP:MOS|Manual of Style]]. I'd encourage you to keep discussing the issue and see if you can both come to a [[WP:CONSENSUS|reasonable agreement]]. However, please avoid [[WP:NPA|making personal comments]] and try to [[WP:AGF|assume everyone is working for the best]]. If you cannot reach an agreement after giving discussion a full chance to work, you can ask for [[WP:3O|an outside opinion]]. We also have noticeboards revolving around our content rules. In this case, the knowledgeable people at the noticeboards for [[WP:NPOVN|"NPOV" issues]] and [[WP:BLPN|biographical articles]] would be best suited to offer an informed opinion. If discussion and outside input fail to resolve the disagreement, [[WP:MEDCAB|informal mediation]] would be a good next step. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send me an email. Be well! [[User:Vassyana|Vassyana]] ([[User talk:Vassyana|talk]]) 04:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
-==Plot summary ==
-Emil Sinclair is a young boy who was raised in a bourgeois home described as a Scheinwelt. "Scheinwelt" is a play on words and means world of light as well as world of illusion. Through the novel, accompanied and prompted by his mysterious classmate Max Demian, he descends from and revolts against the superficial ideals of this world, eventually awakening into a realization of self.
-== Characters ==
+== September 2008 ==
+[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|30px|]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit war]]{{#if:Mark Kimmet|&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Mark Kimmitt]]}}. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. If you continue, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. If necessary, pursue [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:PrinceOfCanada|Prince of Canada]]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceOfCanada#top| t]] | [[Special:Contributions/PrinceOfCanada|c]]</sup> 03:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
-* Emil Sinclair - the main protagonist of the novel.  Sinclair is confused as to what his life is, and is going to be, and constantly seeks mentorship throughout the novel.
-*Sinclair's mother and father - symbols of safety toward which Sinclair first finds refuge, but eventually rebels against.
-* Franz Kromer - A bully whose psychological torture leads Sinclair to meet Max Demian.
-* Max Demian - Childhood friend and mentor of Sinclair. Demian leads Sinclair to his eventual Self Realization.
-* Alfons Beck - the "sarcastic and avuncular" oldest boy in the boardinghouse into which Sinclair enrolls after his confirmation.  Beck serves as a minor mentor to Sinclair, and introduces Sinclair to the joys and pitfalls of alcohol.
-*Pistorius - a rector, organist at a local church, and temporary mentor for Sinclair. Pistorius teaches Sinclair how to look inside himself for spiritual guidance.
-*Frau Eva - Max Demian's mother.  She becomes Emil Sinclair's ideal, first in visions, then in person.
+== MedCab ==
-== Themes, motifs, and symbols ==
-=== Themes ===
-==== Embrace of duality ====
-A major underlying theme of this novel is opposing forces and the idea that both are necessary.
+I will be closing this case as unresolved, as the two of you have returned to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Kimmitt&action=history edit-warring].  If you ''both'' want to pursue mediation of this issue, I will welcome your return to the discussion.  However, I will only mediate between you if you ''both'' completely refrain from editing the article, the talk page, and each other's talk pages as of the datestamp of this message, until mediation is completed.
-==== Spiritual enlightenment ====
-The novel references concepts of [[Gnosticism]], particularly the god [[Abraxas]], and shows the influence of [[Carl Jung]]'s psychology. Hesse said the novel was a story of Jungian individuation, the process of opening up to one's unconscious.
+If you both wish to continue with this, and agree to the above conditions, please return to the mediation case page and sign your username below the identical comment I have made there in the '''Mediator Notes''' section with four tildes, and nothing else.  Please do not make any comments, simply sign your names to indicate agreement.  I'll give you a few days to consider. Until then, please refrain from further edit-warring on the article page. [[User:PrinceOfCanada|Prince of Canada]]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceOfCanada#top| t]] | [[Special:Contributions/PrinceOfCanada|c]]</sup> 03:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
-==== Woman as an ideal form ====
-Throughout the stages of Emil Sinclair's life, he refers to various females as an ideal archetype.  As a young boy, he contrasted his sisters, who fit naturally into the "world of light," with the family's maid, who seemed to live a double life.  During his school days, he glimpsed a beautiful woman and revered her as an ideal (named for Dante's Beatrice) that he used to pull himself out of a moral and spiritual decay.  Finally, as a young man, he meets Frau Eva, who he sees as the culmination of everything he has been striving toward.  All of these women are portrayed more as symbols than fully developed characters, and they are used to shape the protagonist's views of an ideal.
-=== Symbols ===
+== Kudos ==
-==== The God Abraxas ====
-The [[Gnosticism|Gnostic]] deity [[Abraxas]] is used as a symbol throughout the text, idealizing the harmonious union of all that is good and all that is evil in the world. Demian argues that the Catholic God is an insufficient god; it rules over all that is wholesome, but there is another half of the world. The symbol of Abraxas appears in the novel as a bird breaking free of an egg or a globe.
+{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
-==== The Sparrow Hawk ====
+|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Starhalf.png]]
-Symbolizes Abraxas.
+|rowspan="2" |
+|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Half Barnstar'''
-== Style ==
+|-
-Though this is an earlier work, the style of Demian is pure Hermann Hesse.  Hesse
+|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your openmindedness and willingness to compromise on the recent MedCab case. Well done. [[User:PrinceOfCanada|Prince of Canada]]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceOfCanada#top| t]] <small>|</small> [[Special:Contributions/PrinceOfCanada|c]]</sup> 04:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
-quickly dramatizes moral and theological points, directly through the
+|}
-thoughts of the main character and his intense interaction with life teachers.
-Hesse's legacy is to economize by forming a drama which focuses entirely on
-direct, chthonic discovery that could be shocking to early 20th century readers.
-== Notable passages ==
-These passages are segments of the novel that best demonstrate themes and lessons to be learned when reading Demian.  They are the central ideas and morals of the book.
-:''"Der Vogel kämpft sich aus dem Ei. Das Ei ist die Welt. Wer geboren werden will, muss eine Welt zerstören. Der Vogel fliegt zu Gott. Der Gott heisst Abraxas."''
-:(The bird struggles out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God's name is Abraxas.)
-:"Fate and temperament are two words for one and the same concept."  That was clear to me now.
-:I have no objection to worshiping this God Jehovah, far from it.  But I mean we ought to consider everything sacred, the entire world, not merely the artificially separated half!  Thus alongside the divine service we should also have a service for the devil.
-==See also==
-*[[Bildungsroman]]
-*[[Carl G. Jung]]
-==External links==
-* [http://classiclit.about.com/od/demian/fr/aafpr_demian.htm A short reference to Demian]
-* [http://www.readinggroupguides.com/guides_D/demian1.asp A short Demian guide and discussion questions]
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