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| conflict = New Zealand Land Wars |
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| caption = Memorial in the [[Auckland War Memorial Museum]] for those who died, both European and Māori, in the New Zealand Wars. "Kia mate toa" can be translated as "fight unto death" or "be strong in death", and is the motto of the [[Otago and Southland Regiment]] of the [[New Zealand Army]]. The flags are that of [[Gate Pā]] and the [[Union Flag]]. |
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| date = 1845-72 |
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| place = [[New Zealand]] |
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| result = [[New Zealand land confiscations|New Zealand Settlements Act]] 1863; confiscation of four million acres of Maori land |
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| combatant1 = [[British Empire]]<br>[[Maori]] |
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| combatant2 = [[Maori]] |
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| strength1 = 18,000 (peak deployment) |
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==Your recent edits== |
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Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your posts]] by typing four [[tilde]]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the [[Shift key]], and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button [[Image:Signature_icon.png]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!<!-- Template:Tilde --> --[[User:SineBot|SineBot]] ([[User talk:SineBot|talk]]) 17:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC) |
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== re: Freddie Scott == |
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The '''New Zealand Wars''', sometimes called the '''Land Wars''' and also once called the '''Māori Wars''', were a series of armed conflicts that took place in [[New Zealand]] between 1845 and 1872. The wars were fought over a number of issues, the most prominent concerning [[Māori]] land being sold to the settler (white) population. |
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Yes, it was a reinstate of the previous copyvio. I've removed it again. Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:JLaTondre| JLaTondre]] 22:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC) |
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The [[Treaty of Waitangi]], signed in 1840, guaranteed that individual Māori ''[[iwi]]'' (tribes) should have undisturbed possession of their lands, forests, fisheries and other ''[[taonga]]'' (treasures). Some early colonial land-sale deals had had a dubious basis, and the parties involved sometimes concluded sales before the signing of the Treaty. To avoid such situations happening again, the newly constituted British colonial authorities decreed that Māori could sell land only to the Crown (the Right of Preemption). However, many settlers did not appreciate that Māori owned their land communally and that permission to settle on land did not always imply sale of that land. Under pressure from settlers, the colonial government gradually ignored the provisions of the Treaty and permitted settlers to settle in areas that had uncertain ownership. Māori began resisting the occupation of their land by British settlers, and the whole process sowed the seeds of eventual war. |
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that was not an attack on a person, and was the documentation of a controversial issue. If you do not agree with the POV either discuss it or edit the page, taking it down because you do not agree with the stance, with no discussion, is not the spirit of wikipedia, or democracy. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lordofall123|Lordofall123]] ([[User talk:Lordofall123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lordofall123|contribs]]) 03:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The first skirmish of the New Zealand Wars was the 1843 [[Wairau Affray]] at the north end of the [[South Island]]. It was an isolated incident caused by the [[Nelson, New Zealand|Nelson]] settlers trying to seize land they did not own, an illegal vigilante action that resulted in twenty-two of them being killed. |
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sorry, i was unaware that i did that, i have never used wikipedia editing before and was just looking around to see if i could improve the page, and deleted something, i guess the aforementioned requests for deletion on accident. [[Special:Contributions/67.185.111.147|67.185.111.147]] ([[User talk:67.185.111.147|talk]]) 22:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC) |
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The [[Flagstaff War]] took place in the far north of New Zealand, around the [[Bay of Islands]], in March 1845 and January 1846. This was about [[mana]]—tribal prestige—and customs duties. It was really a war between rival Māori chiefs, with the British fighting on one side for the prestige of the [[British Empire]]{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. |
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== Thanks for your help == |
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This was followed almost immediately by the [[Hutt Valley Campaign]], March to August 1846, and the [[Wanganui Campaign]], April to July 1847, in the south-west of the [[North Island]]. Both these conflicts were about the encroachment of the European settlers onto Māori land. |
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Thanks for your help on saving the [[Aoife Hoey]] article (formerly [[Aoife Hoey (bobsleigh)]]) from deletion. I really appreciate it. [[User:Miller17CU94|Chris]] ([[User talk:Miller17CU94|talk]]) 15:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC) |
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The Maori, in the first three wars, proved to be resourceful and competent opponents. However, they had no wish to beat the British settlers or to drive them from New Zealand{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. From the engagements emerged an understanding: English law prevailed in the townships and settlements, and Māori law and customs elsewhere. There followed a period of relative peace and economic cooperation from 1848 to 1860. |
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==[[Aoife Hoey]]== |
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During this time, European settlement accelerated and in about 1859, the number of [[Pākehā]] came to equal the number of Māori, at around 60,000 each{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. By now, Pākehā had largely forgotten the painful lessons of the earlier conflicts. They tried to use military might to push through a very dubious land sale that one of their own courts later repudiated. The result was the [[First Taranaki War]]. Once again, the local British forces were more than evenly matched by Māori{{Fact|date=February 2007}}, and after twelve months both sides were happy to settle for a draw. |
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You asked for sources, sources were provided, and you removed the sources. Please explain why. <font face="Arial">[[User:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:green">Corvus cornix</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:Dark Green">talk</span>]]''</sub></font> 03:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:I provided an explanation at [[talk:Aoife Hoey]] before doing so. Essentially, the references don't actually verify any of the information they are supposed to. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 03:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC) |
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==[[The Campus Special]]== |
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However, this was clearly just a preliminary. The British settlers were not prepared to countenance Māori controlling and ruling most of the North Island. War broke out again in 1863 with the [[Invasion of the Waikato]]. The Waikato War, including the [[Tauranga Campaign]], was the biggest of all the New Zealand Wars. The outcome of this war was the major confiscation of Māori land, which quickly provoked the [[Second Taranaki War]]. By the mid 1860s, the conflict had forced the closing of all the [[native schools]]. |
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How should I go about removing the "considered for deletion" box? I apologize for the slow progress on the page, but I hope with the recent updates it is in accordance with the rules. Your help would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time. [[User:Msu123|Msu123]] ([[User talk:Msu123|talk]]) 21:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:The article has been nominated for deletion. You cannot remove the AFD notice in the article. Editors will express their opinions on whether the article can kept and an administrator will determine the concensus and then take the appropriate action after 5 days. See [[WP:AFD]] for more details. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 12:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Respond to Whpq == |
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The period from the second half of 1864 until early 1868 was relatively quiet. Possibly the most notorious incident during this time was the murder of the missionary [[Volkner Incident|Carl Volkner]]. There were also two serious intra-tribal conflicts, civil wars in Māori tribes, between adherents and non-adherents of the [[Pai Marire]] or Hau Hau sect—a vehemently anti-Pākehā religious group which was intent upon destabilizing the developing cooperation between the Māori and Pākehā. These are sometimes known as the [[East Cape War]], but that label oversimplifies a complicated series of conflicts. |
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The 'minor edit' edit summary was pre-populated, and I should have changed it to something more descriptive. You are right. I've also added the AFD result to that Talk page. Thanks! [[User:Gary King|Gary King]] ([[User talk:Gary King|talk]]) 21:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC) |
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The last major conflicts were [[Te Kooti's War]] and [[Titokowaru's War]]. These were fought at the same time but were not related to each other and should be considered as separate conflicts. |
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== [[User:RingPOPmom|RingPOPmom]] and [[:WP:COI|conflict of interest]] == |
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This virtually ended the major, violent conflicts between the new colonial government and the original occupants of the land. |
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I've already given her all the proper notices about COI. This is the ultimate single-purpose account, and I really wish I knew what to do about it. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] | [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 18:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC) |
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There were subsequently other conflicts and incidents that were a part of the overall conflict, but are not usually seen in the context of the New Zealand Wars. The invasion of [[Parihaka]] in 1881 was certainly one of these. There was an incident in the 1890s that became known as the [[Dog Tax War]]. Another was the arrest of [[Rua Kenana]] in 1916. It is even possible that events at [[Bastion Point]] in the 1970s should be considered as part of the same scenario. |
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:Simply monitor the article content for POV violations, and keep pushing for reliable sources to satsify verifiability. There is no restriction on an editor with a conflict of interest adding material to an article so long as it remains neutral and is verfiably factual.-- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 18:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC) |
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*As you can read on the discussion page, '''I WANT the article to be deleted'''. Don't let me down when it comes to your opinion. [[User:RingPOPmom|RingPOPmom]] ([[User talk:RingPOPmom|talk]]) 01:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC) |
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*Great! Only '''you''' have written to delete the article. With only one reply, they will probably keep the article. UGGHH! I'm never going to get the article off. Last time there were more people who voted... Where are they now! :-( [[User:RingPOPmom|RingPOPmom]] ([[User talk:RingPOPmom|talk]]) 09:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:An administrator will decide if further discussion is required and extend it accordingly. Note, if you want it deleted, then you should participate in the discussion and enter your delete opinion. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 12:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC) |
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* I didn't think I was allowed to vote since the other guy wrote that I wanted it deleted. I'll do it right now. Thanks. [[User:RingPOPmom|RingPOPmom]] ([[User talk:RingPOPmom|talk]]) 09:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Removed prod on [[HTS Kimberley]] == |
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==Protagonists== |
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In 1859, the Europeans in New Zealand reached numerical parity with Māori, at about 60,000 each. However neither population was stable. The Māori population was declining so fast that some people saw their extinction as a distinct possibility. Meanwhile, immigrant ships were arriving from Britain on an almost weekly basis. As early as 1841, one Māori asked if the whole British tribe was moving to New Zealand{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. |
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I have removed the {{tl|prod}} tag from [[HTS Kimberley]], which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{tl|prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks! <!-- [[Template:Deprod-disagree]] --> -- '''[[User:Atama|<span style="color:#06F">At</span><span style="color:#03B">am</span><span style="color:#006">a</span>]][[User talk:Atama|<sup><span style="color:#000">chat</span></sup>]]''' 21:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC) |
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There were other inequalities. The imperial troops were supplied and paid for by Britain and not by the fledging colony. So Māori were fighting against the economic base of industrial Britain. On the other hand, Māori had an [[agrarian]] economy - their warriors were also their farmers and food gatherers. As such, they were limited to periods of only two or three months of campaigning each year before they had to return to their home base. They developed a system of rotating shifts for the longer conflicts, but were never able to deploy their entire force. |
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== [[Bai Kamara]] == |
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The [[Invasion of the Waikato]] was, by far, the largest conflict. The colonial side mustered some 18,000 men, with a peak deployment of possibly 14,000. Opposing them were 4,000 to 5,000 Māori, of whom only about half were actively involved at any one time. |
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Wow! Nice catch with that speedy. It looked odd that he had added all that info in so quickly, but the person seemed notable enough so I didnt question it. But wow... nice catch! Great job! [[User:Queerbubbles|Queerbubbles]] ([[User talk:Queerbubbles|talk]]) 17:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC) |
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None of the wars were simple two-sided conflicts. To some degree there were four sides to each war. |
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:Thanks. When I see these as I look over articles needing wikification, alarm bells go off. Often, going to the subject's official site or Myspace page will find the original text. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 17:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Chase-Riboud == |
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There were always Māori on both sides of the conflict— fighting for and against the British. In the Flagstaff War, the Māori allies were wholly independent of British command; [[Tāmati Wāka Nene]] was at war with [[Hone Heke]]. Indeed, the only really serious engagement of the war, the Battle of Waimate Pa, where the two forces met and fought with determination, did not involve the British at all. |
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Hello - I've never created a wikipedia page before, so this is my first time and I appreciate the help. What can I do most immediately to get my rating up from "stub" to "start"? [[User:Sociologik|Sociologik]] ([[User talk:Sociologik|talk]]) 19:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sociologik|Sociologik]] ([[User talk:Sociologik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sociologik|contribs]]) 19:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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By the 1870s, in Te Kooti's War, there were Māori fighting as part of the colonial forces. [[Ngāti Porou]] formed their own regiment. In the latter stages — the hunt for [[Te Kooti]] through the Urewera Ranges — some incidents were once again Māori fighting Māori. Usually though, Māori fought as allies, not as subordinates. When their interests diverged from Pākehā interests, they tended to go their own way. |
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:The article is within the scope of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography]]. You can read up on biogrpahy article assessments and make an assessment request at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment]]. At least I think that's how it works. I'm not part of Wikiproject Biography so I may have an incomplete understanding of how it works. Hope that helps. Regards. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 19:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC) |
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==[[Brady R. Allred]]== |
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Māori were fighting Pākehā. They too can be divided into two groups. One was the British imperial forces — the combined forces of the British Empire, including [[Australia]]ns going overseas to war for the first time. The other consisted of the various [[militia]] formed from the [[settler]]s, answerable to the New Zealand government, not to London. (These units eventually evolved into the [[New Zealand Army]]). The first war was fought by imperial forces, probably assisted informally by a few settlers. The Taranaki War involved organized units of settler militia. The British government was increasingly reluctant to become involved in New Zealand wars. To get its support for the invasion of the Waikato, Governor [[George Edward Grey|George Grey]] had to present a false picture of the seriousness of the situation to the Colonial Office in London. What became known as the [[Second Taranaki War]] was basically the reaction of the Māori to the wholesale confiscation of their land by the colonial government, which originally used imperial troops for this, but the commander, General [[Duncan Cameron (general)|Duncan Cameron]], resigned in protest. |
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Hi. I agree with your cutting of this article however I still think it's unverified - except for what is basically a self-reference. What do you think? -- [[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] ([[User talk:Kleinzach|talk]]) 09:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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In 1870 the last British troops were withdrawn from New Zealand; this was in line with both the “self-reliant" policy of Premier [[Frederick Weld]] and the [[Cardwell reforms]] of the Army in Britain. |
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:I agree. There aren't references provided. I'll tqag it. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 12:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Re: Image:Ivanios.gif == |
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There were a few British settlers who fought for Māori; not many, but there always were some arrivals in New Zealand who identified completely with Māori. They were known as [[Pākehā Māori]], meaning strangers who have become Māori. Perhaps the most well-known was [[Kimball Bent]], who acted as [[Titokowaru]]'s armourer and later became a noted ''tohunga'' (priest). |
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You could go imagevio tag, but in cases like this I would typically do a [[WP:PUI]] listing. This gives 2 weeks for the user to understand, and if needed, contact and request a license and get it processed via OTRS. [[WP:COPYREQ]] may help the uploader understand as well. While I've come across many images like this, the user editing articles with the same name as the location on the source website make me believe they may be related to the website and have used it in both places, which is quite common. I upload many of my own works here, but also put them on Flickr and other places as well. Either way, I didn't think speedy was the right choice in this case; however another admin might have disagreed. [[User:Mecu|<font color="CEBE70">'''MECU'''</font>]]≈<small>[[User talk:Mecu|talk]]</small> 17:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC) |
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There was also a significant anti-war movement among the British settlers. Led by the Anglican Church Missionary Society and a number of prominent humanitarians, this group opposed government aggression and the confiscation of land. Members included Bishop George Augustus Selwyn, Archdeacon Octavius Hadfield, [[William Martin (judge)|Sir William Martin]], South Island politicians like [[James Fitzgerald]] and other public figures. Most active during the First Taranaki War, the group divided over the government's invasion of the Waikato and response to the Kingitanga. Eventually, some chose to support the government, a decision they immediately regretted as the Māori backlash placed missionary lives in danger. Selwyn, in particular, suffered from his association with the invasion and had to leave the country in disgrace. Some missionaries later tried to prevent wholesale confiscation of Māori land, but were ignored by the government. |
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== [[Kenneth Tam]] == |
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==Strategy and tactics== |
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Hello, could you [[WP:AFD]] [[Kenneth Tam]] please as I can't cos i don't have an account? Thanks. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.194.210.172|87.194.210.172]] ([[User talk:87.194.210.172|talk]]) 17:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The British Army were professional soldiers who had experienced fighting in various parts of the Empire, many from [[India]] and [[Afghanistan]], although front line units were never sent (in contrast to, say, South Africa or other parts of the Empire). They were led by officers who were themselves trained by men who fought at [[Battle of Waterloo|Waterloo]]. The Māori fighters were warriors from many generations of warrior—survivors of the [[Musket Wars]], twenty years of bitter inter-tribal fighting. One of the reasons for the First New Zealand War was curiosity by the Māori warriors to see what kind of fighters these Pākehā soldiers were{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. |
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:I could, but you will need to provide the rationale for the deletion. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 17:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Non-notable author, article doesn't pass [[WP:BIO]]. Thanks <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.194.210.172|87.194.210.172]] ([[User talk:87.194.210.172|talk]]) 17:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::I have completed the AFD nomination |
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==Graeme Kirkland== |
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Another editor has added the <code>{{tl|prod}}</code> template to the article [[Graeme Kirkland]], suggesting that it be deleted according to the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability]]). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at [[Talk:Graeme Kirkland|its talk page]]. If you remove the <code>{{tl|prod}}</code> template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]], where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. <!-- Template:PRODNote --> [[User:BJBot|BJBot]] ([[User talk:BJBot|talk]]) 00:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Re:Image talk:Mumbai Police Logo.jpg == |
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Both sides found their opponent's way of waging war totally incomprehensible. The British set out to fight a European-style war, one that had worked for them almost everywhere else in the world. When you find an enemy strongpoint or town, you attack it. Your enemy feels obliged to defend the strongpoint. Either there is a battle, or you besiege and then capture the strongpoint. Theoretically, you win and the enemy loses. Conversely Māori fought for [[mana]] and economic advantage, originally slaves and goods or control of lands, and for the challenge of a good battle{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. |
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Recently you have raised a concern regarding [[:Image:Mumbai Police Logo.jpg]]. I have opened a discussion thread on the [[Image talk:Mumbai Police Logo.jpg]]. You are invited to put forth your points on this talk page. --[[User:gppande|<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:red'>gp</span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:black'>pande</span>]] [[User talk:gppande|«talk»]] 08:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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The first British action of the Flagstaff War was the capture and destruction of Pomare's Pa near [[Kororareka]]. This was a substantial Māori settlement, so it seemed like a British victory, but all the Māori warriors escaped with their arms, so they did not see it as defeat{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. |
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:'''Reply''': I haven't expressed any concern over the use of the logo. You may be confused due to the number of copyright issues expressed on [[User talk:Suyogaerospace]]. My notice was due to the copy and paste of material from the police web site into the [[Mumbai Police]] article.-- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 11:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:: '''Thanks for clarification''': It may be true that article contains text which should not be copy-paste from any other website. I would look into this article to get it cleaned. Also I would explain Suyog (who has been working on this page for sometime now) that WP prohibits copy-paste. Thanks. --[[User:gppande|<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:red'>gp</span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:black'>pande</span>]] [[User talk:gppande|«talk»]] 07:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Graeme Kirkland == |
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The British then set out to do the same to Kawiti's Pa at Puketapu. But this was not a residential settlement, it was a purpose-built strong point with only one objective; to invite attack by the British. It was several kilometres inland, across very difficult country—steep gullies, dense, bush-clad hills and thick, sticky mud. Getting there was a major expedition. The British troops were already exhausted when they arrived in front of the [[pa (Māori)|pa]]. The next day, they tried a frontal attack and discovered that the bush and gullies they were advancing through and across were full of hostile warriors. Some of the British troops reached the palisade and discovered that attacking thick wooden walls with muskets was not effective. After several hours of costly but indecisive skirmishing, the British withdrew. Their Māori allies were able to feed them and they were not attacked by their Māori enemies on the retreat back to the coast.{{Fact|date=February 2007}} |
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I'm considering nominating [[Graeme Kirkland]] for deletion. How long do you think it would take for you to find the sources you claim exist and place them in the article? [[User:Blast Ulna|Blast Ulna]] ([[User talk:Blast Ulna|talk]]) 13:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I am working on it right now. I've already managed to source the switch from musician to financial adviser. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 13:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC) |
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==Speedy== |
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The attack on Puketapu Pa was typical of Māori-British warfare. Māori would build a fortified pa, sometimes provocatively close to a British fort or redoubt, and the British would feel they had to attack it{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. Their aim was always to bring Māori to battle where they knew they could inflict a decisive defeat. In European warfare, besieging an enemy fortress usually provoked a battle. However, Māori also knew that they would probably lose heavily in open conflict; this had been the result on the few times that it happened. Generally, they were successful in avoiding it. |
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I have permission/approval to use both pieces of copy from the website http://www.bccresearch.com/about-experts.htm, however, I will need time to add my name to the external website so I can maintain the validity. If you can hold off on speedy deletion for a day until I upload my name onto the site, I would be most appreciative. |
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A Māori pa was not the same as a European fortress, but it took the British years to appreciate the difference—perhaps not until after the [[World War I|First World War]]. The word “pa” meant a fortified Māori village or community. They were always built with a view to defence, but primarily they were residential. Puketapu Pa and then [[Ohaeawai]] Pa were the first of the so-called “modern pa”. They were built to engage enemies armed with muskets and cannon. A strong wooden palisade was fronted with woven flax leaves (''[[Phormium tenax]]'') whose tough, stringy foliage took a lot of penetrating. The palisade was often lifted a few centimetres from the ground so that muskets could be fired from underneath it rather than over the top. Sometimes there were apparent gaps in the palisade, which led to killing traps. There were trenches and rifle pits to protect the occupants and, later, very effective bomb shelters. They were usually built so that they were almost impossible to surround completely, but usually presented at least one exposed face to invite attack from that direction. They were cheap and easily built—the L-Pa at [[Waitara, New Zealand|Waitara]] was constructed by eighty men overnight{{Fact|date=February 2007}}—and they were completely expendable{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. Time and again, the British would mount an elaborate, often lengthy, expedition to besiege an annoying pa, which would absorb their bombardment and possibly one or two attacks and then be abandoned by Māori. Shortly afterwards, a new pa would appear in another inaccessible site. Pa like this were built in their dozens particularly during the [[First Taranaki War]], where they eventually formed a cordon surrounding [[New Plymouth]]. |
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For a long time, the modern pa effectively neutralised the overwhelming disparity in numbers and armaments. At [[Battle of Ohaeawai|Ohaeawai Pa]] in 1845, at [[Rangiriri]] in 1864 and again at [[Gate Pa]] in 1864, the British and colonial forces discovered that frontal attacks on a defended pa were both ineffective and extremely costly. At Gate Pa during the [[Tauranga Campaign]] in 1864, Māori withstood a day-long bombardment in their bomb shelters. One authority calculated that Gate Pa absorbed in one day a greater weight of explosives per square metre than did the German trenches in the week-long bombardment leading up to the [[Battle of the Somme (1916)|Battle of the Somme]]{{Fact|date=February 2007}}. The palisade being destroyed, the British troops rushed the pa whereupon Māori fired on them from hidden trenches, killing thirty-eight and injuring many more in the most costly battle for the Pākehā of the New Zealand Wars. The troops retired and Māori then abandoned the pa. |
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Stuart Foster |
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Stuart.foster@bccresearch.com <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Stuartfost|Stuartfost]] ([[User talk:Stuartfost|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stuartfost|contribs]]) 18:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:'''Reply''' - you can place a <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> tag and explain the situation on the articles' talk page -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 18:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== ACED Magazine == |
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British troops soon realized an easy way to neutralise a pa. Although cheap and easy to build, a modern pa did require a significant input of labour and resources. By the wholesale destruction of the Māori economic base in the area around the pa, causing the destruction of tribal society, they were sometimes able to render them unaffordable. This was the reasoning behind the bush-scouring expeditions of Chute and McDonnell in the [[Second Taranaki War]]. |
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I own the website. Therefor I own the right to create or use my own content about it. Feel free to contact me about it via the contact us link at the bottom of the site - it goes directly to me (Jenna). I have also e-mailed the info address on here from my ACED e-mail address to confirm. -- jbensous <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jbensous|Jbensous]] ([[User talk:Jbensous|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jbensous|contribs]]) 16:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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However, the biggest problem for Māori was that their society was ill-adapted to support a sustained campaign. The Māori warrior was a civilian part-time fighter who could not afford to be away from home for too long. The British force consisted of professional soldiers - although hardly the front line of the Empire of the day - supported by an economic system capable of sustaining them in the field almost indefinitely. While the British found it difficult to defeat Māori in battle, they were able to outlast them in war. |
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==Copyrights== |
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The two final New Zealand Wars, those of [[Te Kooti]] and [[Titokowaru]], present an interesting contrast. Titokowaru used the pa system to such devastating effect that, at one stage the New Zealand government thought they had lost the war (see [[Titokowaru's War]]). Te Kooti, on the other hand, was an effective guerrilla leader, but showed little or no skill in fighting from a fixed position. He had ill-built pa, inadequately supplied, and he held on to them for too long. [[Te Kooti's War]] ended due to his defeat at Nga Tapa and Te Porere. |
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tHAT WAS very unfair! I did write it myself and spent hours at it! The websites were reference!--[[User:Svm1 63]] ([[User talk:Svm1 63|talk]]) 08:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:How do you explain the fact that the material was all word for word copies of news articles and web pages? Copying material from other sites are [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]] and are contrary to Wikipedia policy. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 10:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Large areas of land were confiscated from Māori by the government, under the [[New Zealand Settlements Act]] in 1863, supposedly as punishment for rebellion. [http://www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz/maps/landconfiscations.php] In reality, land was confiscated from both "loyal" and "rebel" tribes alike. More than four million acres (16,000 km²) of land in total was confiscated. Although about half of this was subsequently paid for or returned to Māori, it was often not returned to its original owners. [http://www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz/story/slidetowar.php] The confiscations had a lasting impact on the social and economic development of the affected tribes. |
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The legacy of the New Zealand Wars continues, but these days the battles are mostly fought in courtrooms and around the negotiation table. Numerous reports by the [[Waitangi Tribunal]] have criticised Crown actions during the wars, and in one instance, found that Māori too had breached the Treaty. [http://www.waitangi-tribunal.govt.nz/reports/summary.asp?reportid={DE526A10-DDDF-45E1-9E09-FEA0F939832D}] |
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Thanks for smoothing the refs and making [[Robert Dickerson]] a better article. [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 08:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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The Crown has conceded that aspects of the warfare and confiscation breached the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and apologised for its actions in relation to Waikato TainuiTaranaki and Bay of Plenty tribes, as part of negotiated settlements of these tribes' historical claims ([[Treaty of Waitangi claims and settlements]]). [http://www.legislation.govt.nz/libraries/contents/om_isapi.dll?clientID=374240358&infobase=pal_statutes.nfo&jump=a1995-058&softpage=DOC] |
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:You're welcome! -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 09:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks for helping clean up the vandalism on Cedarburg Highschool. It's really frustrating that my classmates are such idiots, but I can't figure out who specifically has been doing it, and I haven't been able to do everything on my own. [[User:JDub90|JDub90]] ([[User talk:JDub90|talk]]) 16:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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{{main|New Zealand land confiscations}} |
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:You're welcome. About the only thing that can really be done is to monitor it, and revert and warn when it occurs. If it happens enough, then report to [[WP:AIV]] would be in order. If it becomes bad enough, an admin can make a decision for extended blocking. Cheers. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 17:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Awesome, but I'm also going to create [[Sundowner (wind)]] from what was there before, that seemed to be the only part of the page that really needed its own article. <font face="Arial">[[User:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:dark green">Corvus cornix</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:Dark Green">talk</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC) |
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*[[Māori culture]] |
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:The wind article would be a great addition. The ones currently listed were existing articles, and the actual contents of the targets both include information that identifies the truck and the plane going by the name of sundowner. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC) |
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*[[List of Māori battles]] |
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*[[New Zealand land confiscations]] |
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*[[Trench warfare]] |
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*[[Siege warfare]] |
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*[[History of New Zealand]] |
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*[[Military history of New Zealand]] |
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== Lorenzo Quinn == |
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==Further reading== |
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* [[Michael Barthorp|Barthorp, Michael]] (1979). ''To Face the Daring Māori''. Hodder and Stoughton. |
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* [[James Belich (historian)|Belich, James]] (1988). ''The New Zealand Wars''. Penguin. |
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* Belich, James (1996) ''Making Peoples''. Penguin. |
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* Binney, Judith (1995). ''Redemption Songs: A Life of Te Kooti Arikirangi Te Turuki''. Auckland: Auckland University Press. |
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* Buick, T.L. (1976). ''Old Marlborough''. Christchurch: Capper Press. (Originally published in 1900) |
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* Cowan, J., & Hasselberg, P. D. (1983) ''The New Zealand Wars''. New Zealand Government Printer. (Originally published 1922) Online: [http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cow01NewZ.html Volume 1 1845-64], [http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Cow02NewZ.html Volume 2 1864-72] |
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* [http://www.victorianmilitarysociety.org.uk/features/NZ1-1.html Hobbins, Peter (2004). ''Maori and Pakeha: British Colonial wars in New Zealand (Part 1)''. Paper on the Victorian Military Society website. (Part 2 not yet published)] |
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* Lee, Jack (1983). ''I have named it the Bay of Islands''. Hodder and Stoughton. |
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* Lee, Jack (1987). ''Hokianga''. Hodder and Stoughton. |
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* [[Frederick Edward Maning|Maning, F.E.]] (1862). ''A History of the War in the North of New Zealand against the Chief Heke''. (A near-contemporaneous account, although written primarily with an aim to entertain rather than with an eye to historical accuracy) |
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* Maxwell, Peter (2000). ''Frontier, the Battle for the North Island of New Zealand''. Celebrity Books. |
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* [http://www.genealogy.org.nz/news/Conference%20Papers%20C%20Pugsley.pdf/ Pugsley, Chris (1998). ''Manufacturing a War: Grey, Cameron and the Waikato Campaign of 1863-4''. Paper by noted NZ military historian on the New Zealand Society of Genealogists website] |
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* Simpson, Tony (1979). ''Te Riri Pākehā''. Hodder and Stoughton. |
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* [[Keith Sinclair|Sinclair, Keith]] (ed.) (1996). ''The Oxford Illustrated History of New Zealand'' (2nd ed.) Wellington: Oxford University Press. |
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*[[Michael King|King, Michael]] (2003). ''The Penguin History of New Zealand''. Penguin. |
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* Stowers, Richard (1996). ''Forest Rangers''. Richard Stowers. |
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* Vaggioli, Dom Felici (2000). ''History of New Zealand and its inhabitants'', Translated by J. Crockett. Dunedin: University of Otago Press. (Original Italian publication, 1896). |
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* Walker, Ranginui (2004) ''Ka whawhai tonu matou: Struggle without end'' Penguin. |
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*"The people of Many Peaks: The Māori Biographies". (1990). From ''The Dictionary of New Zealand Biography, Vol. 1, 1769-1869''. Bridget Williams Books and Department of Internal Affairs. |
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I don't know how to reply to messages personally. Just to say thanks for the correction. I am new to this site and am still trying to find out how things work, so apologies for the many mess ups. |
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==External links== |
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*[http://www.newzealandwars.co.nz/ The New Zealand Wars / Nga Pakanga Whenua O Mua. Scholarly and comprehensive website run by Professor Danny Keenan of Victoria University of Wellington, NZ] |
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*[http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/node/32 New Zealand's 19th Century Wars on NZHistory.net.nz] |
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*[http://www.army.mil.nz/culture-and-history/nz-army-history/historical-chronology/1827.htm ''Historical Chronology'' on New Zealand Army website] |
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*[http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-newzealandwars.html New Zealand Wars (1845–1872) collection] at the [http://www.nzetc.org New Zealand Electronic Text Centre] |
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*[http://www.teara.govt.nz The Encyclopedia of New Zealand] |
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*[http://www.teara.govt.nz/1966/M/MaoriWars/Origins/en ''The Maori Wars'' in the 1966 Encyclopaedia of New Zealand] |
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*[http://www.teara.govt.nz/1966/H/HistoryMythsInNewZealand/TheMaoriWars/en ''Myths of Origins of the Maori Wars'' in the 1966 Encyclopaedia of New Zealand] |
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Lorenzo is a friend of mine and has asked me to work on this page for him. Could you help me add the other references please? |
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{{Military history of New Zealand}} |
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{{New Zealand topics}} |
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Thanks |
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[[User:LorenzoFanatic|LorenzoFanatic]] ([[User talk:LorenzoFanatic|talk]]) 11:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Certainly I can help. Yopu can observe my edits to see how things are done and feel free to ask me questions. One thinig I should point out is that as a friend of the artist, you do need to be aware of [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], and make sure that your edits adhere to a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]]. Regards -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 11:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Category:History of New Zealand]] |
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[[Category:Treaty of Waitangi]] |
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[[Category:Race relations in New Zealand]] |
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[[Category:Wars involving the United Kingdom]] |
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[[Category:Wars involving the states and peoples of Oceania]] |
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I just lost the bottom of my article. I was trying to do the references. Oh heck!! |
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I'll bear in mind about the conflict of interest. I think I'm gonna leave it now. This is scary. |
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Thanks --[[User:LorenzoFanatic|LorenzoFanatic]] ([[User talk:LorenzoFanatic|talk]]) 11:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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[[mn:Шинэ Зеландын Газрын дайн]] |
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:There's nothing scary about it. I encourage you to continue. If you are unsure about your edits, use the preview button to ensure it did what you expected. Also, you can use a [[WP:SANDBOX|sandbox]] to try out test edits before you do them for real. And of course, you can ask me a question if you are unsire of how to do something. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Thank you--[[User:LorenzoFanatic|LorenzoFanatic]] ([[User talk:LorenzoFanatic|talk]]) 14:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==Jacob McArthur Mooney== |
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Cheers, |
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I'm wondering which of the references on the page "Jacob McArthur Mooney" runs contrary to the reference guidelines? |
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Thanks-Mitchell |
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[[User:MisterIncantation|MisterIncantation]] ([[User talk:MisterIncantation|talk]]) 01:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:The article could use some better third party coverage of the subject. A university web profile, and a publisher profile could be improved upon with the addition of citations from an article about him in a newspaper or magazine. Regards, -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 10:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Richard Katz == |
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Hi. Forgive my ignorance, I see that you have added to the [Richard Katz|Richard Katz] page. How can I see what you have changed? [[User:Ravagedhand|Ravagedhand]] ([[User talk:Ravagedhand|talk]]) 16:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:You can see what was changed using the page history and comparing versions. See [[Help:Page history]] for more information. My contribution to the article is purely housekeeping. I reverted some vandalism, and corrected some categorization errors. Regards, -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 01:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC) |
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==Thanks== |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bhadani&diff=219709998&oldid=219709470 Thanks] --[[User:Bhadani|Bhadani]] ([[User_talk:Bhadani|talk]]) 15:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bhadani&diff=219711142&oldid=219709998 working on the same wavelength!] --[[User:Bhadani|Bhadani]] ([[User_talk:Bhadani|talk]]) 15:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC) |
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::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikify/Participants&diff=219712228&oldid=218664176 Joined] --[[User:Bhadani|Bhadani]] ([[User_talk:Bhadani|talk]]) 15:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC) |
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==Capture of HMS Guerriere== |
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I remember this being one of the articles I worked on when I was learning about Wikipedia, however while I don't much care about the deletion of the captain's letters your edits left an article that was much poorer then when you started, you might want to consider the nature of your editing in the future. [[User:Tirronan|Tirronan]] ([[User talk:Tirronan|talk]]) 01:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:I did consider it. The text of the letters would be better off in wikisource. Regards. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 11:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC) |
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==Categorisations== |
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You said that you should just mark it uncategorized where should I put that? |
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Thanks [[User:Cgman919|Cgman919]] ([[User talk:Cgman919|talk]]) 03:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:It has already been done. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 10:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Thanks from Hayaser== |
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Thanks a lot for your support :D it's appreciated |
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[[User:Hayaser|Hayaser]] ([[User talk:Hayaser|talk]]) 19:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:You're welcome. Feel free to ask me any questions if you are confused. Regards. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 19:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Not a mistake == |
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Hi thanks for bringing the matter of the HHC academy to everyone's attention. It's never wrong to raise a potential copyright conflict. It's actually not ununusual that there's an alternate explanation to copying the contents of a website. On one occasion I rescued text about a synagogue that the reporting editor did not notice was based on the 1911 Jewish Encycl - the same source that the website had used. I also carefully crafted an article (with others) on the history of a theatre, only to find it delete because it was word for word the content of a commercial website - they had copied it from here - without attribution. (I had to completely rewrite that one!). No the whole issue of copyright is a minefield, and I'm glad there are people who take it seriously; the principle in wiki is to err on the side of caution and you did nothing wrong here. cheers [[User:Kbthompson|Kbthompson]] ([[User talk:Kbthompson|talk]]) 12:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:Yes. And given the circumstances, I'd likely act the same way again. But the article was deleted when in fact the copying was done the other way around, and so it never hurts to apologize when there's an error even if the actions were well-intended. Cheers, -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 12:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==HCCA== |
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Guys, |
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Many thanks for Wikifying the HCCA article. It's much improved as a result. I notice that citations are required for the information. Most of the factual information regarding results etc is collated and kept by me in the form of word documents. However, there is plenty of independent and external verification for the factual content. This can be found on various webpages and is mainly in the form of match reports on various college websites and in the Hackney Gazette. There are at least 4 articles about HCCA on Hackney Gazette Online currently. Other verification can be found via the British Colleges Sport (BCS), English Schools Basketball Assoc. (ESBBA), Northamptonshire Schools (NSBBA) under Moulton College, Cardinal Newman College websites as well as the information published on the London United website. Would you like me to set up links to all of these on the external links section of the article? |
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Cheers! |
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Chris |
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[[User:Cjm364|Cjm364]] ([[User talk:Cjm364|talk]]) 22:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:References are set up in their own references section, and its best to make use of citation templates to do them. The syntax can be a bit daunting for an inexperienced editor so feel free to ask me questions if you have difficulty. I have the article watchlisted right now, so I will be aware of changes and can also step in if I notice didfficulties. [[WP:CITE]] provides information on citations. Regards, -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 22:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== FIRST AMENDMENT == |
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HOW CAN YOU GIVE PEOPLE THE RIGHTS TO PUBLISH ARTICLES ON BOOKS MOVIES OR WHATEVER AND THEN DELETE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES!!! HOW ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO BE TEH NEXT BIG THING IF PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALOOW THIS TO HAPPEN. HOW CAN PEOPLE GET TO READ AND KNO OTHERS IF YOUR ALWAYS PUTTING DELETIONS == <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zaq1zaq1|Zaq1zaq1]] ([[User talk:Zaq1zaq1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zaq1zaq1|contribs]]) 20:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Hey again == |
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Hey there,just curious to know if anyone is going to close the debate already,it's pretty obvious it's in favor to keep the article [[Ara Dinkjian]] |
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[[User:Hayaser|Hayaser]] ([[User talk:Hayaser|talk]]) 04:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:It's not obvious that it was a keep, so nn administrator has relisted the AFD to gain more opinions to reach a consensus. In due course, an administrator will review the discussion and make a decision. Regards, -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 10:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the reply [[User:Hayaser|Hayaser]] ([[User talk:Hayaser|talk]]) 03:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==MCF7== |
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Would you accept a statement from ATCC allowing the use of the data page of thier cell lines for Wikipedia. Thanks [[User:Ddorn 1999|Ddorn 1999]] ([[User talk:Ddorn 1999|talk]]) 21:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Proper name of MCF7== |
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In most papers the name is sited as MCF-7, but is commercially available as MCF7. So the proper use is unclear.[[User:Ddorn 1999|Ddorn 1999]] ([[User talk:Ddorn 1999|talk]]) 17:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Sanford Wallace is listed under the "S" and this is inconsistent with the listing of others by last name. Should be moved to "W". == |
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Sanford Wallace is listed under the "S" for [[:Category:E-mail spammers]] and this is inconsistent with the listing of others by last name. Should be moved to "W". I cannot make the correction. Can you? Thanks. [[User:Billgdiaz|Billgdiaz]] ([[User talk:Billgdiaz|talk]]) 19:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Spam King == |
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Hi, I made a couple of contributions by adding a related section to people that are listed in Wikipedia as Spam Kings. The additions were removed. Today I noticed as I read on Wikipeadia about Winston Churchill that it had a section: "See also: List of stutterers." Is that the proper way to do it in Wikipedia? Could I list a "See also: Spammers" or "see also: Spam Kings" Please advice. Thanks [[User:Billgdiaz|Billgdiaz]] ([[User talk:Billgdiaz|talk]]) 16:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:The link to [[spammer]] is alerady in each o the articles so there is no need to provide any additional linking. [[Spam King]] is a [[WP:DISAMBIG|disambiguation]] page and should not be linked to. There is no article [[list of spammers]]. You are welcome to start one. Regards -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 16:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Aron siegel]] == |
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I gave [[User talk:Vinylm|Vinylm]] some options on how he can move his article someplace and work on it safely. Hope he takes advantage. Best, '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 06:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Dependent(Military Family Member) == |
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I have removed the {{tl|prod}} tag from [[Dependent (military family member)]], which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{tl|prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks! <!-- [[Template:Deprod]] --> |
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See more at both my own and the article's discussion pages. I welcome your constructive input. [[User:Saseigel|Saseigel]] ([[User talk:Saseigel|talk]]) 12:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Cheers == |
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Thanks for your understanding on that issue. [[User:Fredio54|Fredio54]] ([[User talk:Fredio54|talk]]) 18:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==Nastia== |
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Too bad we can't add the image to her article. :) <font face="Comic sans">[[User:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:green">Corvus cornix</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Corvus cornix|<span style="color:Green">talk</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== I noticed == |
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I noticed that you have tagged several biographies of music professors created by [[User:Thenthorn]] for copyright violation speedy deletion recently. All appear to be violations of links in the form http://music.ucsd.edu/people/people.php?cmd=fm_music_directory_detail&query_Full_Name=+Rand+Steiger. The images in the articles also appear to come from that source, yet to be present on Commons. Would you do me a favor and also go over to commons and nominate the images for deletion as you encounter more of these? [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 18:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:I checked one of the images in the Commons and I am unsure of the copyright status. The Images are CC Share-alike 2.0 licenses as taken from Flickr. The profile of the Flickr uploader states he is the manger of something or other at UCSD, and the photos are press photos. I am not too familiar with Commons, but I will try to get some sort of discussion going on the copyright status of the images. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 18:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::I already nominated all 6 of them in the pages you have thus far identified, as 6 separate commons deletion nominations. You might group the nominations though, as the issues will be the same for all of them. Generally speaking if someone is an employee of an organization, photos that they take in the course of their employment repsonsibilities will have copyright owned by the employer, but this is subject to specific contract/agreement terms. [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 18:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:I got your message on my talk page, and I was going to do something. But since I didn't actually track the image names, I don't know the names of the images to nominate them for deletion on Commons. I ddi see that Rand Steiger's image has been nominated, and I've added my comments about the muddiness of the copyright in the discussion there. Regards, -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 18:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Since I've already flagged all 6 for deletion, you could use my commons contributions from to find the other 5 - or just search for my username in the daily deletion log. ;) I was more asking that if you tag any more of that user's articles here you also go over to commons and flag the image there. I'm going to take a break from processing CSD#G12 with this article creator, better that it not look like a single admin hounding them. [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 18:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Okay, I'll head over to Commons and look for the others through your contribution log. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 18:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==Ellen marahani== |
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In my honest opibion should be speedily deleted - it is a non notable indonesian trying for one minute of fame - if you need encouragement I would support the delete without hesitation [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 13:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Carrickmacross Rovers == |
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- I copy a page and used a thesaurus to re-write most words so it was definetly not copyright!!![[User:Point93|Point93]] ([[User talk:Point93|talk]]) 08:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Competition Cams Article == |
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As it stands, the article reads like advertising. The references provided in the article do |
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what look to be press releases in Google News, but nothing to support notability. \ |
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-- '''Whpq''' (talk) * 19:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC) |
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How does the article read like advertising? Do you even know what the guidelines for ad writing are? I do. I'm a [[copywriter]] by trade. Be that as it may, there is no stated opinion, "we", "our", "you", any other pronoun or directive speech which constitutes advertising's writing style. Therefore, I have no clue from where Whpq's comment came. Also, the reliable sources are in the market research conducted by [[SEMA]], which handles the industry's research and reports these findings to the census bureau. I cited the association as a reference for a reason! |
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--[[User:Jabarke1|Jabarke1]] ([[User talk:Jabarke1|talk]]) 21:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' - The '''Competition Cams''' article has been completely rewritten and re-cited with new, more credible sources. I urge each editor that has previously voted against the article's notability, neutrality, etc. to please reconsider. Also, I appreciate your patience and civility. |
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--[[User:Jabarke1|Jabarke1]] ([[User talk:Jabarke1|talk]]) 21:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Wikifying AWMN page == |
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Please check my talk page! |
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--[[User:Socrates.awmn|Socrates.awmn]] ([[User talk:Socrates.awmn|talk]]) 09:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Commending a job well done == |
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Hello! I just wanted to commend you for the fine work you did on the editing of the [[Edna Eicke]] article. Thank you for your fine work! [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 21:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Research: remove section copied from http://www.uic.edu/depts/enga/research/research.htm == |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois_at_Chicago_College_of_Engineering |
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I am the person responsible in the UIC College of Engineering for composing and changing the content for this page. |
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All text and graphics have been approved by the Dean of the College and the marketing and communications group. |
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Please do not change anything in this page.[[User:Tmatthes|Tmatthes]] ([[User talk:Tmatthes|talk]]) 23:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Please note that wikipedia is an '''encyclopedia'' editable by '''all''' editors. As such, it is not a web site to host content that you have sole control over. That's what your web site is for. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 11:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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You have butchered our article. UIC College of Engineering is a satellite campus of the University of Illinois. The College of Engineering at the University of Illinois at Urbana has their own article and as many Colleges of Engineering articles on Wikipedia consist of a Research section. You also managed to get rid of our external links to our Departments. |
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When we said "not to change anything in our article", we meant for you to not delete anything since they are FACTS. We are the content experts with regards to our facts. Other contributors may add or modify them provided they do not strongly deviate from the facts. |
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You mentioned that we were acting biased and had a conflict of interest. I think you are the one who is biased because you are removing our Research section. Here is proof that other Colleges of Engineering have Research sections and external links to their Departments: |
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Short List: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIUC_College_of_Engineering |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_University_College_of_Engineering |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology_College_of_Engineering |
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[[User:Tmatthes|Tmatthes]] ([[User talk:Tmatthes|talk]]) 02:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I am moving this entire conversation to the article's talk page [[Talk:University of Illinois at Chicago College of Engineering]] as that is a more appropriate venue for this discussion, and it will expose the issues for other editors to review. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq#top|talk]]) 11:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== I have he copyright == |
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All of these images you are pointing out are taken from my own digital camera. so i am the sole copyright to have them publish. |
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--<font color="#00ff00">Burhan</font><font color="#bb00bb">Ahmed</font> 07:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== UCSI Wikipedia page == |
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I have edited several pages and have reinserted some of the original pages. As I have more accurate information on the said Institution of Higher learning, I have contributed thus far... |
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I wish to be included in the Wikify project too |
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[[Special:Contributions/60.49.241.98|60.49.241.98]] ([[User talk:60.49.241.98|talk]]) 09:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)F Abd user |
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== Louis Kamper biography == |
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Hello |
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If I am using this screen correctly, I am sending this message to the individual who flagged and deleted my biography of the Detroit architect Louis Kamper. If that is correct, I'd like to understand why you did so. Over the last 10 years, I have complied and written a short biography of his body of work and his career that has been found to be quite useful in the architectural community. If any of my information is incorrect, I would love to hear from you and find out what you feel is incorrect as well as find out your sources of information about him. For such a major player in the Detroit architectural community, there is only fragments of information out there about him. My bio was created by pulling all those fragements together. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you so that we can discuss this information. Thanks for your time. |
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[[User:Lmcgrail|Lmcgrail]] ([[User talk:Lmcgrail|talk]]) 17:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)Lucas McGrail, Assoc AIA, Architect |
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re: Freddie Scott
Yes, it was a reinstate of the previous copyvio. I've removed it again. Thanks for letting me know. -- JLaTondre 22:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
re: PDEngNN
that was not an attack on a person, and was the documentation of a controversial issue. If you do not agree with the POV either discuss it or edit the page, taking it down because you do not agree with the stance, with no discussion, is not the spirit of wikipedia, or democracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordofall123 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
sorry, i was unaware that i did that, i have never used wikipedia editing before and was just looking around to see if i could improve the page, and deleted something, i guess the aforementioned requests for deletion on accident. 67.185.111.147 (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help
Thanks for your help on saving the Aoife Hoey article (formerly Aoife Hoey (bobsleigh)) from deletion. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 15:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
You asked for sources, sources were provided, and you removed the sources. Please explain why. Corvus cornixtalk 03:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
- I provided an explanation at talk:Aoife Hoey before doing so. Essentially, the references don't actually verify any of the information they are supposed to. -- Whpq (talk) 03:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
How should I go about removing the "considered for deletion" box? I apologize for the slow progress on the page, but I hope with the recent updates it is in accordance with the rules. Your help would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time. Msu123 (talk) 21:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- The article has been nominated for deletion. You cannot remove the AFD notice in the article. Editors will express their opinions on whether the article can kept and an administrator will determine the concensus and then take the appropriate action after 5 days. See WP:AFD for more details. -- Whpq (talk) 12:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Respond to Whpq
The 'minor edit' edit summary was pre-populated, and I should have changed it to something more descriptive. You are right. I've also added the AFD result to that Talk page. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 21:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I've already given her all the proper notices about COI. This is the ultimate single-purpose account, and I really wish I knew what to do about it. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- Simply monitor the article content for POV violations, and keep pushing for reliable sources to satsify verifiability. There is no restriction on an editor with a conflict of interest adding material to an article so long as it remains neutral and is verfiably factual.-- Whpq (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- As you can read on the discussion page, I WANT the article to be deleted. Don't let me down when it comes to your opinion. RingPOPmom (talk) 01:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- Great! Only you have written to delete the article. With only one reply, they will probably keep the article. UGGHH! I'm never going to get the article off. Last time there were more people who voted... Where are they now! :-( RingPOPmom (talk) 09:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- An administrator will decide if further discussion is required and extend it accordingly. Note, if you want it deleted, then you should participate in the discussion and enter your delete opinion. -- Whpq (talk) 12:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't think I was allowed to vote since the other guy wrote that I wanted it deleted. I'll do it right now. Thanks. RingPOPmom (talk) 09:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed prod on HTS Kimberley
I have removed the {{prod}} tag from HTS Kimberley, which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Atamachat 21:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Wow! Nice catch with that speedy. It looked odd that he had added all that info in so quickly, but the person seemed notable enough so I didnt question it. But wow... nice catch! Great job! Queerbubbles (talk) 17:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. When I see these as I look over articles needing wikification, alarm bells go off. Often, going to the subject's official site or Myspace page will find the original text. -- Whpq (talk) 17:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Chase-Riboud
Hello - I've never created a wikipedia page before, so this is my first time and I appreciate the help. What can I do most immediately to get my rating up from "stub" to "start"? Sociologik (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sociologik (talk • contribs) 19:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- The article is within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography. You can read up on biogrpahy article assessments and make an assessment request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment. At least I think that's how it works. I'm not part of Wikiproject Biography so I may have an incomplete understanding of how it works. Hope that helps. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 19:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I agree with your cutting of this article however I still think it's unverified - except for what is basically a self-reference. What do you think? -- Kleinzach (talk) 09:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: Image:Ivanios.gif
You could go imagevio tag, but in cases like this I would typically do a WP:PUI listing. This gives 2 weeks for the user to understand, and if needed, contact and request a license and get it processed via OTRS. WP:COPYREQ may help the uploader understand as well. While I've come across many images like this, the user editing articles with the same name as the location on the source website make me believe they may be related to the website and have used it in both places, which is quite common. I upload many of my own works here, but also put them on Flickr and other places as well. Either way, I didn't think speedy was the right choice in this case; however another admin might have disagreed. MECU≈talk 17:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, could you WP:AFD Kenneth Tam please as I can't cos i don't have an account? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.210.172 (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I could, but you will need to provide the rationale for the deletion. -- Whpq (talk) 17:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Non-notable author, article doesn't pass WP:BIO. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.210.172 (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I have completed the AFD nomination
- Non-notable author, article doesn't pass WP:BIO. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.210.172 (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Graeme Kirkland
Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Graeme Kirkland, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Re:Image talk:Mumbai Police Logo.jpg
Recently you have raised a concern regarding Image:Mumbai Police Logo.jpg. I have opened a discussion thread on the Image talk:Mumbai Police Logo.jpg. You are invited to put forth your points on this talk page. --gppande «talk» 08:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Reply: I haven't expressed any concern over the use of the logo. You may be confused due to the number of copyright issues expressed on User talk:Suyogaerospace. My notice was due to the copy and paste of material from the police web site into the Mumbai Police article.-- Whpq (talk) 11:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarification: It may be true that article contains text which should not be copy-paste from any other website. I would look into this article to get it cleaned. Also I would explain Suyog (who has been working on this page for sometime now) that WP prohibits copy-paste. Thanks. --gppande «talk» 07:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Graeme Kirkland
I'm considering nominating Graeme Kirkland for deletion. How long do you think it would take for you to find the sources you claim exist and place them in the article? Blast Ulna (talk) 13:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- I am working on it right now. I've already managed to source the switch from musician to financial adviser. -- Whpq (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Speedy
Hi,
I have permission/approval to use both pieces of copy from the website http://www.bccresearch.com/about-experts.htm, however, I will need time to add my name to the external website so I can maintain the validity. If you can hold off on speedy deletion for a day until I upload my name onto the site, I would be most appreciative.
Thanks, Stuart Foster Stuart.foster@bccresearch.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartfost (talk • contribs) 18:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Reply - you can place a {{hangon}} tag and explain the situation on the articles' talk page -- Whpq (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
ACED Magazine
I own the website. Therefor I own the right to create or use my own content about it. Feel free to contact me about it via the contact us link at the bottom of the site - it goes directly to me (Jenna). I have also e-mailed the info address on here from my ACED e-mail address to confirm. -- jbensous —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbensous (talk • contribs) 16:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Copyrights
tHAT WAS very unfair! I did write it myself and spent hours at it! The websites were reference!--User:Svm1 63 (talk) 08:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- How do you explain the fact that the material was all word for word copies of news articles and web pages? Copying material from other sites are copyright violations and are contrary to Wikipedia policy. -- Whpq (talk) 10:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for smoothing the refs and making Robert Dickerson a better article. Julia Rossi (talk) 08:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for helping clean up the vandalism on Cedarburg Highschool. It's really frustrating that my classmates are such idiots, but I can't figure out who specifically has been doing it, and I haven't been able to do everything on my own. JDub90 (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome. About the only thing that can really be done is to monitor it, and revert and warn when it occurs. If it happens enough, then report to WP:AIV would be in order. If it becomes bad enough, an admin can make a decision for extended blocking. Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 17:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Awesome, but I'm also going to create Sundowner (wind) from what was there before, that seemed to be the only part of the page that really needed its own article. Corvus cornixtalk 17:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
- The wind article would be a great addition. The ones currently listed were existing articles, and the actual contents of the targets both include information that identifies the truck and the plane going by the name of sundowner. -- Whpq (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Lorenzo Quinn
I don't know how to reply to messages personally. Just to say thanks for the correction. I am new to this site and am still trying to find out how things work, so apologies for the many mess ups.
Lorenzo is a friend of mine and has asked me to work on this page for him. Could you help me add the other references please?
Thanks LorenzoFanatic (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- Certainly I can help. Yopu can observe my edits to see how things are done and feel free to ask me questions. One thinig I should point out is that as a friend of the artist, you do need to be aware of conflict of interest, and make sure that your edits adhere to a neutral point of view. Regards -- Whpq (talk) 11:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I just lost the bottom of my article. I was trying to do the references. Oh heck!!
I'll bear in mind about the conflict of interest. I think I'm gonna leave it now. This is scary.
Thanks --LorenzoFanatic (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
- There's nothing scary about it. I encourage you to continue. If you are unsure about your edits, use the preview button to ensure it did what you expected. Also, you can use a sandbox to try out test edits before you do them for real. And of course, you can ask me a question if you are unsire of how to do something. -- Whpq (talk) 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you--LorenzoFanatic (talk) 14:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Jacob McArthur Mooney
Cheers,
I'm wondering which of the references on the page "Jacob McArthur Mooney" runs contrary to the reference guidelines?
Thanks-Mitchell
MisterIncantation (talk) 01:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- The article could use some better third party coverage of the subject. A university web profile, and a publisher profile could be improved upon with the addition of citations from an article about him in a newspaper or magazine. Regards, -- Whpq (talk) 10:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Richard Katz
Hi. Forgive my ignorance, I see that you have added to the [Richard Katz|Richard Katz] page. How can I see what you have changed? Ravagedhand (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- You can see what was changed using the page history and comparing versions. See Help:Page history for more information. My contribution to the article is purely housekeeping. I reverted some vandalism, and corrected some categorization errors. Regards, -- Whpq (talk) 01:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks --Bhadani (talk) 15:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
- working on the same wavelength! --Bhadani (talk) 15:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Capture of HMS Guerriere
I remember this being one of the articles I worked on when I was learning about Wikipedia, however while I don't much care about the deletion of the captain's letters your edits left an article that was much poorer then when you started, you might want to consider the nature of your editing in the future. Tirronan (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I did consider it. The text of the letters would be better off in wikisource. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 11:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Categorisations
You said that you should just mark it uncategorized where should I put that?
Thanks Cgman919 (talk) 03:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks from Hayaser
Thanks a lot for your support :D it's appreciated
Hayaser (talk) 19:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Feel free to ask me any questions if you are confused. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 19:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Not a mistake
Hi thanks for bringing the matter of the HHC academy to everyone's attention. It's never wrong to raise a potential copyright conflict. It's actually not ununusual that there's an alternate explanation to copying the contents of a website. On one occasion I rescued text about a synagogue that the reporting editor did not notice was based on the 1911 Jewish Encycl - the same source that the website had used. I also carefully crafted an article (with others) on the history of a theatre, only to find it delete because it was word for word the content of a commercial website - they had copied it from here - without attribution. (I had to completely rewrite that one!). No the whole issue of copyright is a minefield, and I'm glad there are people who take it seriously; the principle in wiki is to err on the side of caution and you did nothing wrong here. cheers Kbthompson (talk) 12:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yes. And given the circumstances, I'd likely act the same way again. But the article was deleted when in fact the copying was done the other way around, and so it never hurts to apologize when there's an error even if the actions were well-intended. Cheers, -- Whpq (talk) 12:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
HCCA
Guys, Many thanks for Wikifying the HCCA article. It's much improved as a result. I notice that citations are required for the information. Most of the factual information regarding results etc is collated and kept by me in the form of word documents. However, there is plenty of independent and external verification for the factual content. This can be found on various webpages and is mainly in the form of match reports on various college websites and in the Hackney Gazette. There are at least 4 articles about HCCA on Hackney Gazette Online currently. Other verification can be found via the British Colleges Sport (BCS), English Schools Basketball Assoc. (ESBBA), Northamptonshire Schools (NSBBA) under Moulton College, Cardinal Newman College websites as well as the information published on the London United website. Would you like me to set up links to all of these on the external links section of the article? Cheers! Chris Cjm364 (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- References are set up in their own references section, and its best to make use of citation templates to do them. The syntax can be a bit daunting for an inexperienced editor so feel free to ask me questions if you have difficulty. I have the article watchlisted right now, so I will be aware of changes and can also step in if I notice didfficulties. WP:CITE provides information on citations. Regards, -- Whpq (talk) 22:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
FIRST AMENDMENT
HOW CAN YOU GIVE PEOPLE THE RIGHTS TO PUBLISH ARTICLES ON BOOKS MOVIES OR WHATEVER AND THEN DELETE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES!!! HOW ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO BE TEH NEXT BIG THING IF PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALOOW THIS TO HAPPEN. HOW CAN PEOPLE GET TO READ AND KNO OTHERS IF YOUR ALWAYS PUTTING DELETIONS == —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaq1zaq1 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey again
Hey there,just curious to know if anyone is going to close the debate already,it's pretty obvious it's in favor to keep the article Ara Dinkjian
Thanks Hayaser (talk) 04:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's not obvious that it was a keep, so nn administrator has relisted the AFD to gain more opinions to reach a consensus. In due course, an administrator will review the discussion and make a decision. Regards, -- Whpq (talk) 10:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply Hayaser (talk) 03:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
MCF7
Would you accept a statement from ATCC allowing the use of the data page of thier cell lines for Wikipedia. Thanks Ddorn 1999 (talk) 21:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Proper name of MCF7
In most papers the name is sited as MCF-7, but is commercially available as MCF7. So the proper use is unclear.Ddorn 1999 (talk) 17:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Sanford Wallace is listed under the "S" and this is inconsistent with the listing of others by last name. Should be moved to "W".
Sanford Wallace is listed under the "S" for Category:E-mail spammers and this is inconsistent with the listing of others by last name. Should be moved to "W". I cannot make the correction. Can you? Thanks. Billgdiaz (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Spam King
Hi, I made a couple of contributions by adding a related section to people that are listed in Wikipedia as Spam Kings. The additions were removed. Today I noticed as I read on Wikipeadia about Winston Churchill that it had a section: "See also: List of stutterers." Is that the proper way to do it in Wikipedia? Could I list a "See also: Spammers" or "see also: Spam Kings" Please advice. Thanks Billgdiaz (talk) 16:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- The link to spammer is alerady in each o the articles so there is no need to provide any additional linking. Spam King is a disambiguation page and should not be linked to. There is no article list of spammers. You are welcome to start one. Regards -- Whpq (talk) 16:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I gave Vinylm some options on how he can move his article someplace and work on it safely. Hope he takes advantage. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Dependent(Military Family Member)
I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Dependent (military family member), which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!
See more at both my own and the article's discussion pages. I welcome your constructive input. Saseigel (talk) 12:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Cheers
Thanks for your understanding on that issue. Fredio54 (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Nastia
Too bad we can't add the image to her article. :) Corvus cornixtalk 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed
I noticed that you have tagged several biographies of music professors created by User:Thenthorn for copyright violation speedy deletion recently. All appear to be violations of links in the form http://music.ucsd.edu/people/people.php?cmd=fm_music_directory_detail&query_Full_Name=+Rand+Steiger. The images in the articles also appear to come from that source, yet to be present on Commons. Would you do me a favor and also go over to commons and nominate the images for deletion as you encounter more of these? GRBerry 18:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- I checked one of the images in the Commons and I am unsure of the copyright status. The Images are CC Share-alike 2.0 licenses as taken from Flickr. The profile of the Flickr uploader states he is the manger of something or other at UCSD, and the photos are press photos. I am not too familiar with Commons, but I will try to get some sort of discussion going on the copyright status of the images. -- Whpq (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- I already nominated all 6 of them in the pages you have thus far identified, as 6 separate commons deletion nominations. You might group the nominations though, as the issues will be the same for all of them. Generally speaking if someone is an employee of an organization, photos that they take in the course of their employment repsonsibilities will have copyright owned by the employer, but this is subject to specific contract/agreement terms. GRBerry 18:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- I got your message on my talk page, and I was going to do something. But since I didn't actually track the image names, I don't know the names of the images to nominate them for deletion on Commons. I ddi see that Rand Steiger's image has been nominated, and I've added my comments about the muddiness of the copyright in the discussion there. Regards, -- Whpq (talk) 18:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
- Since I've already flagged all 6 for deletion, you could use my commons contributions from to find the other 5 - or just search for my username in the daily deletion log. ;) I was more asking that if you tag any more of that user's articles here you also go over to commons and flag the image there. I'm going to take a break from processing CSD#G12 with this article creator, better that it not look like a single admin hounding them. GRBerry 18:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Ellen marahani
In my honest opibion should be speedily deleted - it is a non notable indonesian trying for one minute of fame - if you need encouragement I would support the delete without hesitation SatuSuro 13:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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Carrickmacross Rovers
- I copy a page and used a thesaurus to re-write most words so it was definetly not copyright!!!Point93 (talk) 08:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Competition Cams Article
As it stands, the article reads like advertising. The references provided in the article do
not constitute reliable sources for establishing notability. A further search on my own finds
what look to be press releases in Google News, but nothing to support notability. \
-- Whpq (talk) * 19:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
How does the article read like advertising? Do you even know what the guidelines for ad writing are? I do. I'm a copywriter by trade. Be that as it may, there is no stated opinion, "we", "our", "you", any other pronoun or directive speech which constitutes advertising's writing style. Therefore, I have no clue from where Whpq's comment came. Also, the reliable sources are in the market research conducted by SEMA, which handles the industry's research and reports these findings to the census bureau. I cited the association as a reference for a reason!
--Jabarke1 (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - The Competition Cams article has been completely rewritten and re-cited with new, more credible sources. I urge each editor that has previously voted against the article's notability, neutrality, etc. to please reconsider. Also, I appreciate your patience and civility.
--Jabarke1 (talk) 21:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikifying AWMN page
Please check my talk page!
--Socrates.awmn (talk) 09:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Commending a job well done
Hello! I just wanted to commend you for the fine work you did on the editing of the Edna Eicke article. Thank you for your fine work! Ecoleetage (talk) 21:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Research: remove section copied from http://www.uic.edu/depts/enga/research/research.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois_at_Chicago_College_of_Engineering I am the person responsible in the UIC College of Engineering for composing and changing the content for this page. All text and graphics have been approved by the Dean of the College and the marketing and communications group. Please do not change anything in this page.Tmatthes (talk) 23:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- Please note that wikipedia is an encyclopedia editable by all' editors. As such, it is not a web site to host content that you have sole control over. That's what your web site is for. -- Whpq (talk) 11:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
You have butchered our article. UIC College of Engineering is a satellite campus of the University of Illinois. The College of Engineering at the University of Illinois at Urbana has their own article and as many Colleges of Engineering articles on Wikipedia consist of a Research section. You also managed to get rid of our external links to our Departments.
When we said "not to change anything in our article", we meant for you to not delete anything since they are FACTS. We are the content experts with regards to our facts. Other contributors may add or modify them provided they do not strongly deviate from the facts.
You mentioned that we were acting biased and had a conflict of interest. I think you are the one who is biased because you are removing our Research section. Here is proof that other Colleges of Engineering have Research sections and external links to their Departments:
Short List: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIUC_College_of_Engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_University_College_of_Engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Institute_of_Technology_College_of_Engineering Tmatthes (talk) 02:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- I am moving this entire conversation to the article's talk page Talk:University of Illinois at Chicago College of Engineering as that is a more appropriate venue for this discussion, and it will expose the issues for other editors to review. -- Whpq (talk) 11:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I have he copyright
All of these images you are pointing out are taken from my own digital camera. so i am the sole copyright to have them publish. --BurhanAhmed 07:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
UCSI Wikipedia page
I have edited several pages and have reinserted some of the original pages. As I have more accurate information on the said Institution of Higher learning, I have contributed thus far...
I wish to be included in the Wikify project too
60.49.241.98 (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)F Abd user
Louis Kamper biography
Hello If I am using this screen correctly, I am sending this message to the individual who flagged and deleted my biography of the Detroit architect Louis Kamper. If that is correct, I'd like to understand why you did so. Over the last 10 years, I have complied and written a short biography of his body of work and his career that has been found to be quite useful in the architectural community. If any of my information is incorrect, I would love to hear from you and find out what you feel is incorrect as well as find out your sources of information about him. For such a major player in the Detroit architectural community, there is only fragments of information out there about him. My bio was created by pulling all those fragements together. Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you so that we can discuss this information. Thanks for your time.
Lmcgrail (talk) 17:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)Lucas McGrail, Assoc AIA, Architect