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I feel that this list meets the Featured list criteria. It is fully sourced and has gone through three copy-edits. Of course things may have been missed, so any concerns will be addressed.
[[Image:Soldier, Primera Compañía franca de Voluntarios de Cataluña at Nootka, 1790-1794.jpg|thumb|150px|right|[[Soldier]], First Free Company of Volunteers of Catalonia at [[Nootka Sound]], [[1790]]-[[1794]].]]
The '''Free Company of Volunteers of Catalonia''' ([[Spanish language|Spanish]]: ''Compañía Franca de Voluntarios de Cataluña'', [[Catalan language|Catalan]]: ''Companyia Franca de Voluntaris de Catalunya'') was a [[Company (military unit)|military company]] of the [[Spanish Army]] serving in the [[Spanish Empire|Spanish colonial empire]].


This FLC is a part of the [[WP:FLCon|Featured list contest]]. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 20:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
==History==
The company was raised in [[1767]] for service in the [[Americas]]. Modeled after the ''2nd Regiment of [[Catalan people|Catalonian volunteers]]'' stationed in [[Spain]], the company was in fact recruited in [[Mexico]] from regular units of the [[Viceroyalty of New Spain]]. Command went to Captain Agustín Callis.


:'''Comments'''
== Service in Sonora ==
*''During every season of American Idol, the final round of competition features twelve singers.1 The American talent reality television series first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons.'' - to follow the flow of other FL leads, it would be better to state these 2 sentences in a different way such as ''American Idol is an American talent reality television series that first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. During each season, the final round of competition features twelve singers, the finalists.'' Also, why is it December 2008?
The Catalonian Volunteers arrived in [[Guaymas]], [[Sonora]] in May, 1768 as a part of an expedition of some 1200 Spanish soldiers and native allies assembled to quell a revolt by [[Pima]] and [[Seri]] indians. After years of active campaigning, the Volunteers returned to Mexico City in April, 1771.
*''Overall, Carrie Underwood, season four winner, holds the record for the biggest-selling American Idol album, as more than six million copies were sold in the United States.[1]'' - this sentence just stands out, you say overall like if you already stated other album sales.
*''Runner up'' should have a dash.
*In the pre FLC review you told me that the notes couldn't go vice versa, if you use {{tl|ref}} and {{tl|note}} it is possible, just saying.
--'''''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''''' 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:'''All are done'''. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 20:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


*'''Comments'''
== The Establishment of Alta California ==
*Is http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/realityrocks/13980/irish-idol-smithsons-secret-past a reliable source?
In September, 1768, Lieutenant [[Pedro Fages]] and a detachment of 25 Volunteers were ordered south to [[San Blas]], [[Nayarit]] to form a part of the expedition of [[Gaspar de Portolà]] to establish a Spanish foothold in [[Alta California]]. After 110 days at sea, the Volunteers arrived at [[San Diego Bay]] in April, 1769. By this time, over half the soldiers and most of the crew were incapacitated with [[scurvy]].
*Sources look good otherwise. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 21:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
**Source replaced. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 21:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


*'''Suppport''' - With all of SRX's comments addressed, I see no reason why this shouldn't be a Featured list. [[User:Sunderland06|<font color="red">'''Sunderland06'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Sunderland06|talk]]) 01:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Twelve Volunteers succumbed to illness while awaiting the arrival of the overland arm of the expedition under Captain [[Fernando Javier Rivera y Moncada]], who arrived a month later. Still short of provisions, however, the lot of the soldiers improved very little. Despite these privations, the Volunteers participated in the establishment of [[San Diego]] and [[Monterey]] and extensive expeditions of California's interior.


*'''Comment'''
In June of 1770, command of the military forces in California passed to the short tempered and relatively inexperienced Fages. His often high handed treatment of soldiers and missionaries and his possible mishandling of the distribution of rations led to criticism from Father [[Junípero Serra]], who successfully petitioned [[Viceroy]] [[Antonio María de Bucareli y Ursúa]] for his removal. Fages and the Volunteers left California to rejoin their Company in July, 1774.
**You should wikilink all the hometowns to their original articles.
-- <font face="Chiller" size="3">'''[[User:SRE.K.A.L.24|<span style="color:#FCB926">SRE.K.A<s>nnoyomous</s>.L.</span>]][[User talk:SRE.K.A.L.24|<span style="color:#5C2F83">24</span>]]'''<sub>[[Special:Contributions/SRE.K.A.L.24|[c]]]</sub></font> 03:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Aren't they already? <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 11:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::Just click on them, I'll see that they are redirects. -- <font face="Chiller" size="3">'''[[User:SRE.K.A.L.24|<span style="color:#FCB926">SRE.K.A<s>nnoyomous</s>.L.</span>]][[User talk:SRE.K.A.L.24|<span style="color:#5C2F83">24</span>]]'''<sub>[[Special:Contributions/SRE.K.A.L.24|[c]]]</sub></font> 18:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Done. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 18:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


*'''Comments'''
== Reorganization ==
*''A total of 106 contestants have made it to the top twelve (or ten) of their seasons.'' "Made it" &rarr; "reached".
In Sonora, the Catalonian Volunteers served along side the [[Fusileros de Montaña]] (Mountain Fusiliers), another independent company from Catalunya associated with the 2nd Regiment. As a part of new regulations promulgated in [[1772]], the two commands were merged and reorganized into two companies of 80 men and 3 officers each: The First Free Company of Volunteers of Catalonia, which included the detachment in California under Fages and remained under the command of Captain Callis, and a Second Company under Captain [[Antonio Pol]]. Both companies were based in [[Guadalajara]].
*''In the second season, finalist Corey Clark was disqualified after it was revealed that he had been arrested during the competition after he was charged with resisting arrest, battery upon his sister, and criminal restraint.'' Avoid using "after" twice in that sentence.
*''Smithson remained on the show, and was placed sixth in her season.'' Remove "was".
&ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 18:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
**Done. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 18:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


{{hidden|Resolved comments from Mr.crabby|bg1=Yellow|content=
== Garrison Duty in Central Mexico ==
*'''Comments'''
As [[light infantry]], the Volunteers were thought to be particularly well suited for duty in the mountainous country of central Mexico. Though based in Guadalajara, detachments of Volunteers were frequently posted to the Presidio of Mesa del Tonati in the mountains of Nayarit, the [[Real del Monte]] near Mexico City, and to serve as harbor guards at San Blas, the headquarters for Spanish naval operations in the Pacific. For the most part, this service was fairly routine, except for occasional calls to quell disturbances.
*Maybe you should clarify what state Camile Velasco lives in.
*''Brooklyn, NY'' Any reason this is abbreviated, but no other states are?
*''Albemarie, North Carolina'', as a native North Carolianian, I can confirm that it is actually spelled ''Albemarle, North Carolina''
*Why aren't town such as [[Albemarle, North Carolina]]; [[East Amherst, New York]]; Haiku, Maui; and [[Town & Country, Missouri]] linked?
--[[User:Mr.crabby|<span style="color:#FF9912;">'''Mr.crabby'''</span>]] '''''<font face="Comic Sans MS"></font>''''' ''<font face="Arial"><small>[[User Talk:Mr.crabby|<span style="color: #007FFF;">(Talk)</span>]]</small></font>'' 18:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
*All are done. <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 18:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)}}
*'''Support''' - my issues have been resolved and article now seems to meat [[Wikipedia:Featured list criteria|FL criteria]]. --[[User:Mr.crabby|<span style="color:#FF9912;">'''Mr.crabby'''</span>]] '''''<font face="Comic Sans MS"></font>''''' ''<font face="Arial"><small>[[User Talk:Mr.crabby|<span style="color: #007FFF;">(Talk)</span>]]</small></font>'' 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


'''Oppose''' reluctantly for now
== Return To Sonora ==
* I removed the empty External links section; however, on second thought, I think you should re-add it, with a link to the season's webpage; if there isn't one dedicated to the season, then link to American Idol's website.
Fages, his reputation now rehabilitated, was promoted to Captain and assigned command of the Second Company in early 1776. At the urging of [[Teodoro de Croix]], comandant general of the [[Commandancy General of the Provincias Internas]], Fages and his new command were deployed to Sonora, arriving at [[Alamos]] in February, 1777.
* "series first aired in 2002" – "series that first aired in 2002" – otherwise, the tense just jumps from present to past
* "2002, and as" – "2002. As"
* Sort the names by last name first; use {{tl|sortname}}
* "the final round of competition featured twelve singers" – "the final round of competition features twelve singers" – since the show is still running
* "top twelve (or ten) of" – should be explained that some seasons have had top tens before this is mentioned
** See the first footnote in the sentence before that.
* "Finalists for the show have never been younger than 16 years of age, or older than 29 years of age." – isn't this because they have rules that don't allow people outside of those ages to enter the competition? Should be mentioned
* There's a few more of these types of problems throughout the article. Ping me when they're done. Cheers!


<font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 16:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
The following April, the Volunteers of the Second Company were posted to the Presidio of El Pitic (modern [[Hermosillo]]) in response to renewed hostilities with the Seris, who quickly surrendered.

At the urging of Lt. Col [[Juan Bautista de Anza]], the Company was posted at the [[Presidio of Santa Cruz de Terrenate]], which had recently been moved from its previous location to one on the [[San Pedro River]] north of modern [[Tombstone]], [[Arizona]], to re-enforce the beleaguered garrison against the [[Apaches]], arriving in the fall of 1778. Though Fages, now a Lieutenant Colonel, was able to restore order and discipline to the presidio, the garrison proved unable to mount an effective counter-offensive.

In December of 1780, with the Second Company now down to half stregnth, Fages left Terrenate for Mexico City for new recruits. In his absence, the Presidio was ordered abandoned, and the garrison moved to its previous location at [[Santa Cruz, Sonora]], which was believed to be more defensible and easily supplied. The Company was soon once again posted at El Pitic, where they were employed in putting down another rebellion by the Seris.

In September, 1781, Fages led an expedition that included 40 men of the Second Company to the [[Yuma Crossing|Yuma Crossing and Associated Sites]] to quell a rebellion by the [[Quechan]] and their allies. Though they were able to liberate Spanish captives, secure the remains of the slain Father [[Francisco Garcés]] and recover sacred vessels from the destroyed missions of [[Mission Puerto de Purísima Concepción]] and [[Mission San Pedro y San Pablo de Bicuñer]], Fages' command was unable to subdue the tribe. Despite two subsequent expeditions by Fages and the Second Company over the next 2 years, the crossing would remain closed to Spain.

During the third expedition in the Fall of 1783, Fages was appointed [[Governor of California]], and the Volunteers returned without him to Pitic. In subsquent years, the Volunteers of the Second Company were posted around Sonora, assigned to duties at the presidios of Buenavista, [[Fronteras]], Pitic and [[Tucson]] where they were employed fighting the Apaches and Seris, until 1785, when they were assigned to the Villa de [[Chihuahua]]. From there, they continued active campaigning against the Apaches.

== The Pacific Northwest and California==

[[Pedro de Alberni]] was named Captain of the First Company when Callis died in 1782. In August, 1789, after years of routine garrison duty in Guadalajara, the Company was assigned to duty in the [[Pacific Northwest]] in response to the [[Nootka Crisis]]. They arrived at [[Nootka Sound]] in April of 1790 where they re-established the abandoned redoubt of [[Fort San Miguel]], becoming the first regular European military unit posted to present-day [[British Columbia]].<ref name="Chartrand">{{harvnb|Chartrand|2000|loc=The Nootka Incident}}.</ref>

The Volunteer's mission was to secure Spain's claims to the Pacific Northwest against incusions by the British and, in particular, the Russians. To that end, Alberni's men were employed as [[marines]] in the expeditions of [[Jacinto Caamaño]], [[Salvador Fidalgo]], [[Dionisio Alcalá Galiano]], [[Salvador Menéndez]], and [[Manuel Quimper]] of the Pacific coast from the [[Strait of Juan de Fuca]] to [[Kodiak Island]].

The First Company returned to Guadalajara in 1792, though some Volunteers remained on detatched duty in Nootka as late as 1794. In 1796, as a response to the War of the [[First Coalition]] and rumors of American incursions, Alberni, now a Lieutenant Colonel, and his company were sent to re-enforce California. Detachments of Volunteers augmented the Presidios of Monterey, San Diego, and [[San Francisco]].

Part of Alberni's mission in California was to establish a new civilian settlement called the [[Villa de Branciforte]], which was established in 1797, with the intention that the community would be settled by retired Catalan Volunteers. This however did not materialize, and the project was abandoned in 1802.

Alberni was appointed Governor of California in 1800 and was replaced as Captain by [[José Font]]. Font and his scattered command were active in guarding Spain's claim's in California against incusions by foreign vessels, particularly American ones. Despite an increase in such activity, the First Company (except for a detachment that remained in San Diego for a few more years) was withdrawn to Guadalajara in 1803 and were not replaced.

== Dissolution of the Companies ==

Lt. Col. Alberni died in Monterey in 1802. He was the last of the original group of officers who had sailed from Barcelona in 1767. By this time, the unit was no longer Catalan in character with men and even officers largely from other parts of Spain and [[criollos]] from Mexico.

In 1810 the Volunteers were mobilized against the revolt of [[Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla]]. The First Company, still posted at Guadalajara, was reorganized and absorbed into other units. As the [[Mexican War of Independence]] escalated, the Second Company, posted at El Perote near Mexico City under Captain [[Juan Antonio de Viruega]] since 1800, was deployed to Morelos to join an army under [[Félix María Calleja del Rey, 1st Count of Calderón]] in a massive campaign against the insurgency. During the Siege of [[Cuautla]] in 1812, the Volunteers were assigned to man an ambuscade at the [[Campo de Sacatepec]]. Though Calleja later praised their valiant stand, the Second Company was unable to prevent the retreat of scrappy rebels under [[José María Morelos]] and suffered heavy casualties.

The Volunteers managed to survive as a Company, participating in the battles of [[Tuxpango]], [[Tlacótepe]], and [[Ajuchitlán]], through 1815, by which time they were no longer a discrete unit, having been absorbed into larger battalions.

==Uniform==
[[Image:Drummer, Primera Compañía franca de Voluntarios de Cataluña at Nootka, 1790-1794.jpg|thumb|150px|right|[[Drummer]], First Free Company of Volunteers of Catalonia at [[Nootka Sound]], [[1790]]-[[1794]].]]
Its uniform consisted of blue coat with yellow collar and cuffs, yellow waistcoat, blue breeches and black tricorne hat with the red cockade of the House of Bourbon.

There were two drummers on the strength of the company. After [[1760]], [[Spain|Spanish]] army drummers wore the livery of the [[King of Spain]] - a blue coat with scarlet collar and cuffs, along with a scarlet waistcoat. Both coat and waistcoat were trimmed with scarlet lace that was embroidered with a white chain pattern. This same pattern of lace had decorated French uniforms before the [[French Revolution]] began in [[1789]]. The [[House of Bourbon|Bourbon kings]] of [[Spain]] were a branch of the [[French royal family]], and adopted a similar livery.

== Images in Modern Culture ==
The crest of the [[Defense Language Institute]] at the [[Presidio of Monterey]] includes an image of a feathered leather helmet that is meant to symbolize the Catalan Volunteers and to commemorate their role in the founding of the post. Though such helmets were briefly a uniform item for the Spanish infantry at the turn of the 19th century, it is unlikely that they were ever worn by the Catalan Volunteers in North America.<ref>http://www.dliflc.edu/Academics/academic_affairs/dli_catalog/crest.htm</ref>

The Catalan Volunteers are portrayed in the 1955 film [[Seven Cities of Gold]], which presents a fanciful and historically inacurate account of the founding of Spanish California. Lieutenant Fages is played by Mexican actor [[Victor Junco]]. In the credits, Fages' name is misspelled as "Faces."<ref>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048603/</ref>

An infantry soldier wearing a Catalan Volunteer uniform briefly appears in the opening scene of the 1968 film [[Guns of San Sebastian]] which, like ''Seven Cities of Gold,'' stars [[Anthony Quinn]]. However, the movie is supposed to take place in 1746, twenty years before the Volunteers' arrival in New Spain.<ref>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062713/</ref>

==See also==
* [[History of British Columbia]]
* [[Miquelets]]
* [[Pere d'Alberní i Teixidor]]
* [[Pere Fages]]

== Notes ==
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==References==
* [http://www.histocat.cat/pdf/catalans_al_canada.pdf ''Catalans al Canadà'']
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| title = Canadian Military Heritage
| volume = II
| publisher = Art Global
| url = http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/en/image_281.asp?flash=1
| accessdate = [[November 29]] [[2007]]
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Revision as of 16:37, 13 October 2008

List of American Idol finalists

I feel that this list meets the Featured list criteria. It is fully sourced and has gone through three copy-edits. Of course things may have been missed, so any concerns will be addressed.

This FLC is a part of the Featured list contest. iMatthew (talk) 20:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments
  • During every season of American Idol, the final round of competition features twelve singers.1 The American talent reality television series first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. - to follow the flow of other FL leads, it would be better to state these 2 sentences in a different way such as American Idol is an American talent reality television series that first aired in 2002, and as of December 2008, there have been seven seasons. During each season, the final round of competition features twelve singers, the finalists. Also, why is it December 2008?
  • Overall, Carrie Underwood, season four winner, holds the record for the biggest-selling American Idol album, as more than six million copies were sold in the United States.[1] - this sentence just stands out, you say overall like if you already stated other album sales.
  • Runner up should have a dash.
  • In the pre FLC review you told me that the notes couldn't go vice versa, if you use {{ref}} and {{note}} it is possible, just saying.

--SRX 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

All are done. iMatthew (talk) 20:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Suppport - With all of SRX's comments addressed, I see no reason why this shouldn't be a Featured list. Sunderland06 (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment
    • You should wikilink all the hometowns to their original articles.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Aren't they already? iMatthew (talk) 11:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Just click on them, I'll see that they are redirects. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 18:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Done. iMatthew (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Comments
  • A total of 106 contestants have made it to the top twelve (or ten) of their seasons. "Made it" → "reached".
  • In the second season, finalist Corey Clark was disqualified after it was revealed that he had been arrested during the competition after he was charged with resisting arrest, battery upon his sister, and criminal restraint. Avoid using "after" twice in that sentence.
  • Smithson remained on the show, and was placed sixth in her season. Remove "was".

Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Mr.crabby
  • Comments
  • Maybe you should clarify what state Camile Velasco lives in.
  • Brooklyn, NY Any reason this is abbreviated, but no other states are?
  • Albemarie, North Carolina, as a native North Carolianian, I can confirm that it is actually spelled Albemarle, North Carolina
  • Why aren't town such as Albemarle, North Carolina; East Amherst, New York; Haiku, Maui; and Town & Country, Missouri linked?

--Mr.crabby (Talk) 18:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Support - my issues have been resolved and article now seems to meat FL criteria. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose reluctantly for now

    • I removed the empty External links section; however, on second thought, I think you should re-add it, with a link to the season's webpage; if there isn't one dedicated to the season, then link to American Idol's website.
    • "series first aired in 2002" – "series that first aired in 2002" – otherwise, the tense just jumps from present to past
    • "2002, and as" – "2002. As"
    • Sort the names by last name first; use {{sortname}}
    • "the final round of competition featured twelve singers" – "the final round of competition features twelve singers" – since the show is still running
    • "top twelve (or ten) of" – should be explained that some seasons have had top tens before this is mentioned
      • See the first footnote in the sentence before that.
    • "Finalists for the show have never been younger than 16 years of age, or older than 29 years of age." – isn't this because they have rules that don't allow people outside of those ages to enter the competition? Should be mentioned
    • There's a few more of these types of problems throughout the article. Ping me when they're done. Cheers!

    Gary King (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)