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Before you stick all sorts of deletion crap all over this page for not having sources, consider this, I got all the information from playing the game myself. How do I cite that? Or, as far as that goes, how do you cite anything besides another website on Wikipedia? Daniel Christensen (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

See WP:RS#Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources for sources. Primary sources can be used to extract basic facts, but are not reliable for any interpretation or conclusion. Note however the comment below. --Amalthea^Talk 18:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

If you are going to stick deletion suggestions on here for lack of "general notability," then reconsider because I think that Grand Theft Auto contains some awesome parodies, as well as other good content, which is often overlooked. Daniel Christensen (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Which, I'm afraid, doesn't matter. Yes the GTA series is great fun. Yes, there's lots of interesting details. But we're building an encyclopaedia here, and there needs to be a guideline to define which topics should be included, and which topics shouldn't – if we make this a free for all then we are very quickly swamped by countless trivial biographies, bands, games, tv-shows, buildings, songs, items in games, fictional people in tv shows, and so on, which would make this encyclopaedia unmaintainable in no time.
Two of our basic policies for article content that apply here are WP:VERIFIABILITY and WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and our inclusion guideline is defined at WP:NOTABILITY. At the moment, this article doesn't cite any relieable third-party sources for its interpretations. E.g., you say the topic "parodies an Atari 2600", probably because you find it obvious. Again, imagine if we allowed that kind of verifiability: all controversial articles would be filled with opinions and unverifiable claims in no time, and the usefulness and reliability of this encyclopaedia would be immensly reduced. Creationists, for example, find it obvious that evolution is bogus and would tear all related articles apart.
To prevent that and worse, we have to demand that all facts in articles must be verifiable in reliable sources, and that all topics are notable, i.e. "recieved significant coverage in reliable third-party sources".
I do not find a single reliable source covering the topic at hand at all, not to speak of "in-depth coverage", so it shouldn't have an article here. Full stop. In fact, it seems so trivial to me that I also wouldn't mention it at any of the GTA main articles, but that can be discussed at the respective talk page. We do not strive to include everything here.
You might want to have a look at the Degenatron at the GTA wikia. If you want to build in-depth coverage of GTA, that's the place to go.
I hope that helps. I'm grateful for your contributions, Wikipedia depends on people who want to build articles about topics that are important to them, but please consider this before you create any more articles, else I'm afraid that your efforts will be wasted. Cheers, Amalthea^Talk 18:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I added a third party citation Daniel Christensen (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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+Before you stick all sorts of deletion crap all over this page for not having sources, consider this, I got all the information from playing the game myself. How do I cite that? Or, as far as that goes, how do you cite anything besides another website on Wikipedia? [[User:Daniel Christensen|Daniel Christensen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Christensen|talk]]) 15:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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-{{Mergeto|Alien (film series)|Talk:Weyland-Yutani#Merger proposal|date=March 2008}}
-[[Image:Aliens-Weyland-Yutani Sign.png|right|300px|thumb|The Weyland-Yutani logo as seen in ''[[Aliens (film)|Aliens]]''.]]
-'''Weyland-Yutani''' is a [[List of fictional companies|fictional corporation]] in the motion picture ''[[Alien (film)|Alien]]'' and its sequels, often referred to simply as "'''The Company'''".
-The original spelling of the Company's name was '''Weylan Yutani''' (note that there was no ''D'' in the name). At no time in ''[[Alien (film)|Alien]]'' nor in the portfolio was the name of the Company spelled with a ''D''. This was changed by the time of ''[[Aliens (film)|Aliens]]'' to "Weyland-Yutani."
+: See [[WP:RS#Primary, secondary, and tertiary sources]] for sources. Primary sources can be used to extract basic facts, but are not reliable for any interpretation or conclusion. Note however the comment below. --<span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Amalthea|<span style='color:#823824'>Amalthea</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Amalthea|Talk]]</sup></span> 18:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
-Weyland-Yutani is a modern example of the longstanding [[Trope (literature)|trope]] of the evil [[megacorporation]] in [[science fiction]].
+If you are going to stick deletion suggestions on here for lack of "general notability," then reconsider because I think that Grand Theft Auto contains some awesome parodies, as well as other good content, which is often overlooked. [[User:Daniel Christensen|Daniel Christensen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Christensen|talk]]) 15:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
-== Company portrayal ==
+: Which, I'm afraid, doesn't matter. Yes the GTA series is great fun. Yes, there's lots of interesting details. But we're building an encyclopaedia here, and there needs to be a guideline to define which topics should be included, and which topics shouldn't – if we make this a free for all then we are very quickly swamped by countless trivial biographies, bands, games, tv-shows, buildings, songs, items in games, fictional people in tv shows, and so on, which would make this encyclopaedia unmaintainable in no time.<br>Two of our basic policies for article content that apply here are [[WP:VERIFIABILITY]] and [[WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH]], and our inclusion guideline is defined at [[WP:NOTABILITY]]. At the moment, this article doesn't cite any relieable third-party sources for its interpretations. E.g., you say the topic "parodies an Atari 2600", probably because you find it obvious. Again, imagine if we allowed that kind of verifiability: all controversial articles would be filled with opinions and unverifiable claims in no time, and the usefulness and reliability of this encyclopaedia would be immensly reduced. Creationists, for example, find it obvious that evolution is bogus and would tear all related articles apart.<br>To prevent that and worse, we have to demand that all facts in articles must be [[WP:V|verifiable]] in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], and that all topics are [[WP:NOTE|notable]], i.e. "recieved significant coverage in reliable third-party sources".<br>I do not find a single reliable source covering the topic at hand at all, not to speak of "in-depth coverage", so it shouldn't have an article here. Full stop. In fact, it seems so trivial to me that I also wouldn't mention it at any of the GTA main articles, but that can be discussed at the respective talk page. We do [[WP:NOT|not strive to include everything]] here.<br>You might want to have a look at the [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Degenatron Degenatron] at the GTA wikia. If you want to build in-depth coverage of GTA, that's the place to go.<br>I hope that helps. I'm grateful for your contributions, Wikipedia depends on people who want to build articles about topics that are important to them, but please consider this before you create any more articles, else I'm afraid that your efforts will be wasted. Cheers, <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Amalthea|<span style='color:#823824'>Amalthea</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Amalthea|Talk]]</sup></span> 18:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
-Weyland-Yutani is portrayed as one of several corporations that run the human colonies outside the [[solar system]] through the Extrasolar Colonization Administration, and as having a seat in the Interstellar Commerce Commission's Company Review Board, and also a large presence on [[Earth]].
+I added a third party citation [[User:Daniel Christensen|Daniel Christensen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Christensen|talk]]) 19:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
-The company is consistently characterized as exhibiting the worst aspects of corporate profiteering, willing to sacrifice decency and human life in the pursuit of profit. In various portrayals of the Aliens' universe, the corporation has its hands in all aspects of space colonization and research. The corporation has consistently ordered its employees and agents to attempt to obtain living [[Alien (Alien)|xenomorphs]] so that they can be exploited as a [[biological weapon]], without regard for their obtainers' lives.
-==''Alien''==
-The compound word <!--On screen it was Spelled Weylan not Weyland in Alien-->"Weylan-Yutani"<!--On screen it was Spelled Weylan not Weyland in Alien--> may be viewed at the upper left of the display screen during the ship awakening sequence and at the bottom left of a badly vibrating display screen during the planetoid landing sequence in ''Alien''. It was also printed on the prop beer cans in the film, where it is partially visible in some scenes ("Original and Genuine Weylan-Yutani<!--On screen it was Spelled Weylan not Weyland in Alien--> Aspen Beer - Extra Strong - [[Aspen, Colorado|Aspen]] [[Colorado]]").
-==''Aliens''==
-<!-- Deleted image removed: [[Image:ALIEN3 FURY161PATCH.jpg|right|thumb|A Weyland-Yutani patch in ''[[Alien³]]''.]] -->
-When [[James Cameron]] was assigned to write and direct the sequel, the role and significance of Weyland-Yutani increased greatly, becoming an indispensable element in Alien lore.  The original ''Weyland-Yutani'' logo was an Egyptian winged-sun emblem; it was modified to its current corporo-industrial interlocked W/Y for ''Aliens''.
-It can be viewed in various places, most prominently on the front of a big-wheel tricycle in a scene from the [[director's cut]].
-==''Alien³''==
-In ''Alien³'', Weyland-Yutani's name appears on screen several times written in [[Japanese language|Japanese]]. It appears once on a box of supplies as ウェイランド湯谷. The first six [[kana]] of this are part of the Japanese [[syllabary]] [[katakana]] which is used to spell foreign words, and here they spell ''weirando'' (Weyland). The second part is the Japanese name Yutani written with two [[kanji]], which literally means "hot-water valley" in English. The corporation's name also appears in a newspaper headline where the last four kanji read ''[[kabushiki gaisha]]'' which means "joint stock corporation."
-==''Alien Resurrection''==
-In the Special Edition release of [[Alien Resurrection]] The character of Dr. Wren (played by [[J.E. Freeman]]) states Weyland-Yutani had been brought out by [[Wal-Mart]] decades before the start of The film. Consequently an interstellar military force called "'''United Systems Military'''" now controls all the weapons and R&D interests previously held by Weyland-Yutani.
-==''Alien vs. Predator''==
-In ''[[Alien vs. Predator (film)|Alien vs. Predator]]'', the founder of this company (then known as '''Weyland Industries''') is shown to be Charles Bishop Weyland. He is played by [[Lance Henriksen]], the actor that played the android [[Bishop (android)|Bishop]] in ''Aliens'' and ''Alien³'', suggesting that the [[android]] was modeled after him. In the novelization of ''Alien³'' (released before ''Alien vs. Predator''), it is said that the Bishop android was created by a Weyland-Yutani employee named Michael Bishop, who is seen in the third film.
-==''Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem''==
-In the finale of ''[[Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem]]'', the man who called himself Colonel Stevens meets with a character named Ms Yutani, offering her a [[Predator (alien)|Predator]] gun recovered from the survivors of the explosion in [[Gunnison, Colorado]].
-==Other works==
-As an homage to the ''[[Alien (film)|Alien]]'' movies, the Weyland-Yutani logo was used on some weapons in the TV series ''[[Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]'', and can be seen on a [[heads up display]] in that show's pilot episode.  In ''[[Serenity (film)|Serenity]]'', the motion picture continuation of ''Firefly'', the Operative's claim that the Alliance was "building a better world" echoes the slogan of Weyland-Yutani, "Building Better Worlds." (The show's creator, [[Joss Whedon]], wrote the fourth ''Alien'' film, ''[[Alien: Resurrection]]''.)
-In Whedon's series ''[[Angel (TV series)|Angel]]'', Weyland-Yutani is also named as a major client (along with [[Yoyodyne]] and [[News Corporation|News Corp]]) of the evil law firm [[Wolfram and Hart]] (see "[[Harm's Way (Angel)|Harm's Way]]").
-The firm's name also appears on the bow of a supertanker passing under the [[Gibraltar Bridge]], near the end of an ''[[Extreme Engineering]]'' installment, on the [[Discovery Channel]].
-A Weyland-Yutani ship can be seen, among other crashed ships, in the ''[[Red Dwarf]]'' episode "[[Psirens]]".
-In the 2005 game Predator: Concrete Jungle, a clip at the end shows the new current owner of Weyland and a Japanese man (presumably the CEO of the Yutani Corporation) celebrating the formation of their joint venture. They mention in a discussion something about Mr. Weyland's disappearance.
-Within the [[Aliens vs. Predator (novel series)|Aliens vs. Predator novel series]] Weyland-Yutani was mentioned as the main corporation in the book ''War'', but as for the other two novels different corporations were in charge of the events that occurred.
-==Origins of name==
-The name "Weyland-Yutani" was created by [[Ron Cobb]], one of the designers of the [[Nostromo (Alien)|Nostromo]] and her crew's uniforms.
-{{cquote|One of the things I enjoyed most about ''Alien'' was its subtle satirical content. Science fiction films offer golden opportunities to throw in little scraps of information that suggest enormous changes in the world. There's a certain potency in those kinds of remarks. Weylan Yutani for instance is almost a joke, but not quite. I wanted to imply that poor old England is back on its feet and has united with the Japanese, who have taken over the building of spaceships the same way they have now with cars and supertankers. In coming up with a strange company name I thought of [[British Leyland Motor Corporation|British Leyland]] and [[Toyota]], but we couldn't use "Leyland-Toyota" in the film. Changing one letter gave me "Weylan," and "Yutani" was a Japanese neighbor of mine.|20px|20px|Ron Cobb|"The Authorized Portfolio of Crew Insignias from The United States Commercial Spaceship Nostromo Designs and Realizations" by [[John Mollo]] and [[Ron Cobb]]}}
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