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Parentage

It's chronologically pretty much impossible that Thyra's father was Harald Klak. Harald Klak became king (of a part) of Denmark in 812 (and apparently took an active part in the battle(s) preceding this; i.e. he was an adult or at least adolescent at this time). The last thing heard of him was him being driven from Denmark in 827 by the sons of Gudfred, or possibly his death in a battle on the island of Walcheren in 844 (this may refer to another Harald, the brother of Rorik of Dorestad). Thyra's children were born no earlier then in the 910's. The more likely Harald is Harald 'Parc', who died in 894. This Harald 'Parc' was the son of king Guthorm, who ruled in East Anglia in the time of Alfred the Great. Csprrr (talk) 15:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, but where do you have the information about Harald Parc from. Cannot seem to locate that anywhere--Sparviere (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm..from in here somewhere: http://hometown.aol.com/rdavidh218/ (articles seems to be gone now..) but actually, on second thought, the genealogies I found there seemed for large parts at least mildly fantastic and/or very conjectural. Nonetheless, it's more probable then Harald Klak being her father.., although that's about it. I don't think the article named any of it's sources, so I'm not even sure anymore Harald Parc actually existed at all. Regardless, with about every third viking named Harald, there are a lot of options.

After some searching around on this (Danish) page: http://www.vikingekonger.dk/Vikingekonger%20HTML/Artikler%20A/Tyra%20Danebods%20aner.htm I found there this theory: "Denne Harald har vi ingen yderligere dokumentation for. Han må have været af kongelig slægt og kan som født o.855 kun have fået sit navn fra Harald Klak, som da netop var død. Det gælder altså om at konstruere en forbindelse, så Harald var ældste sønnesøn af Harald Klak.", meaning something like: for this Harald we don't have a lot of sources. He must have been from the royal house, might have been born around 855 and could have gotten his name from Harald Klak and thus have been his oldest grandson (son's son). This seems quite plausible but still conjecture. Csprrr (talk) 15:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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+It's chronologically pretty much impossible that Thyra's father was [[Harald Klak]]. Harald Klak became king (of a part) of Denmark in 812 (and apparently took an active part in the battle(s) preceding this; i.e. he was an adult or at least adolescent at this time). The last thing heard of him was him being driven from Denmark in 827 by the sons of Gudfred, or possibly his death in a battle on the island of Walcheren in 844 (this may refer to another Harald, the brother of [[Rorik of Dorestad]]). Thyra's children were born no earlier then in the 910's. The more likely Harald is Harald 'Parc', who died in 894. This Harald 'Parc' was the son of king [[Guthrum of East Anglia|Guthorm]], who ruled in East Anglia in the time of [[Alfred the Great]]. [[User:Csprrr|Csprrr]] ([[User talk:Csprrr|talk]]) 15:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
+Interesting, but where do you have the information about Harald Parc from. Cannot seem to locate that anywhere--[[User:Sparviere|Sparviere]] ([[User talk:Sparviere|talk]]) 17:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
+Hm..from in here somewhere: http://hometown.aol.com/rdavidh218/ (articles seems to be gone now..) but actually, on second thought, the genealogies I found there seemed for large parts at least mildly fantastic and/or very conjectural. Nonetheless, it's more probable then Harald Klak being her father.., although that's about it. I don't think the article named any of it's sources, so I'm not even sure anymore Harald Parc actually existed at all. Regardless, with about every third viking named Harald, there are a lot of options.
+After some searching around on this (Danish) page: http://www.vikingekonger.dk/Vikingekonger%20HTML/Artikler%20A/Tyra%20Danebods%20aner.htm I found there this theory: "Denne Harald har vi ingen yderligere dokumentation for. Han må have været af kongelig slægt og kan som født o.855 kun have fået sit navn fra Harald Klak, som da netop var død. Det gælder altså om at konstruere en forbindelse, så Harald var ældste sønnesøn af Harald Klak.", meaning something like: for this Harald we don't have a lot of sources. He must have been from the royal house, might have been born around 855 and could have gotten his name from Harald Klak and thus have been his oldest grandson (son's son). This seems quite plausible but still conjecture. [[User:Csprrr|Csprrr]] ([[User talk:Csprrr|talk]]) 15:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)