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== Is it just me? == |
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:[[Views of John Locke]] |
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:[[View of Adam Smith]] |
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:[[Views of Benjamin Franklin]] |
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:[[Views of George Washington]] |
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:[[Views of Alexander Hamilton]] |
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:[[Views of Thomas Jefferson]] |
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:[[Views of Abraham Lincoln]] |
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:[[Views of Franklin D. Roosevelt]] |
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All of these are red links. (I checked "Political views of..." and Political positions of..." for these individuals, and those are also all red links.) I could go on further, but I think you get the idea. Doesn't this strike anyone else as a bit absurd? We don't have "Views of..." articles for some of the most influential philosophers and statesmen in American history, but we do for a guy who has never won any political office, has had no real effect on American government or society, and has perhaps a few thousand followers at most? This is a clear and blatant violation of our policies on [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]]. |
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More than that, this article has been a net detriment to Wikipedia ever since it was created. It has served as a platform for POV-pushing (on both sides), sock puppetry, and incivility. Whatever marginal encyclopedic merit it might have is far outweighed by the trouble it has caused. One article on [[Lyndon LaRouche]] is enough. [[User talk:Crotalus horridus|<font color="#11A"><b><tt>*** Crotalus ***</tt></b></font>]] 22:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Or does this seem a bit odd to you too? [[No Means No]] |
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*'''Comment''' Your argument is basically [[WP:WAX]]. We don't have [[Views of Abraham Lincoln]], but does that mean we shouldn't? [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>]] and his otters • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]] • [[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]] • [[:User:TenPoundHammer/Country|HELP]])</sup> 22:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC) |
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This has its own page: [[Make love not war]] And so does this: [[Power to the people]] |
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[[User:BillyTFried|BillyTFried]] ([[User talk:BillyTFried|talk]]) 01:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Why no reply? Was I mistaken that this might be a topic that interests you? [[User:BillyTFried|BillyTFried]] ([[User talk:BillyTFried|talk]]) 20:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Sorry Billy I lost track of this post. As far as I can see [[No Means No]] is redirecting to a band and the other two are fairly notable slogans - in fact [[power to the people]] is a disambiguation page since the phrase has been used so often (so I assume you're eferring to [[Power to the people (slogan)]]). |
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:I'm not sure in what context your asking for attention here. These phrases seem pretty notable to me (although some could do with a serious clean-up). If you wanted however you look to create a parent article for the 3 phrases (or phrases like these) and seek consensus to merge them--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 22:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Sorry for being confusing. My point is that, I'm guessing there is not a person in the Western World who has not heard the phrase "No Means No" and knows damn well what it means, and maybe I'm no punk rock aficionado, but I'd imagine some little known band from Canada wouldn't stand up to [[WP:Notability]] standards when put head to head with the much more well known meaning of that phrase. At the very least, it should have the same treatment as [[Never Again]]. No? [[User:BillyTFried|BillyTFried]] ([[User talk:BillyTFried|talk]]) 23:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Ah, gotcha. Well IMO a disambiguation page would seem appropriate for the the phrase "No Means No". You can edit the redirect page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=No_Means_No&redirect=no here]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 15:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Oh, I guess I thought bringing this to the attention of a "[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Gender Studies/Feminism Task Force|feminist]]" [[Traditionalist world view (American)|(which I am not)]] would spark some interest in editing it. But that's fine. I'll see what I can come up with. Thanks again. [[User:BillyTFried|BillyTFried]] ([[User talk:BillyTFried|talk]]) 03:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Sometimes [[real life]] gets in the way Billy. (And sometimes dealing with difficult [[WP:RfAr|ArbCom cases]] does too.) And just so you know that slogan is not used outside North America - its not something that is current as a phrase in European [[sexual harassment]] discourse, for various reasons - I'll have a look at the DAB page when I can dedicate some time to it. If you don't get the chance to work on a stub/new article for "No means no" I'll have a look at linking something to either [[Sexual harassment]] or [[date rape]] (or perhaps [[Sexual assault]]) & writing a section on the slogan in one of the articles--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 10:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Gender of God == |
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Hi, I am okay but in transit and with infrequent and undependable access to internet. I will check the article when I can, but assume that any act you take that is consistent with the notes I have added will be okay by me. It seems - based on a cursory look - that the main participants in the debate are Lisa and Tim. Lisa too often seems to be willing to edit-war, but she is clear about her point of view and it seems like she generally represents the Orthodox Jewish POV accurately. Tim on the other hand often makes big claims that he says are "obvious" and i have real concerns that he just does not "get" NPOV and NOR. I think it is key not to elide a Jewish 9or any religious) POV with the "Biblical" view - the Bible is a primary source and mainstream Judaisn has its interpretation of it, different Christian movements have their views, and critical scholars debate other views. I think it is essential that these distinctions be made clearly in the article. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]] | [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 20:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Mass Deletion == |
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Hi! I noticed that you made quite a heafty edit to the "Fourth Wall" article a few days ago. The only reason I bring it up is I was quite proud of my first contribution and noticed it was gone when I went to show my buddy. Any particular reason why you cut so much out of the article? |
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-- [[User:Macmooreno|Macmooreno]] ([[User talk:Macmooreno|talk]]) 00:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:The reason for the removal form that article is our [[WP:V|site policy on verifiability]] - everything added to wikipedia must be cited to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], otherwise it will be considered [[WP:NOR|original research]] and be deleted. There are also issues of [[WP:DUE|encyclopedic weight]] which determine what information deserves to be added to articles - this is also measured by the use of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] which "back-up" or [[reference]] the material that is added. A summary of site policies and guidelines for adding information can be seen at [[WP:PROVEIT]]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 00:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Your Note == |
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::::<small>Answering my original post [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Teclontz&diff=231072490&oldid=231062326 here]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 20:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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Calil, I've let several people know about this. Three of them disappeared off of Wikipedia after run ins with Lisa; JerryofAiken, Egfrank, and Bikinibomb. A fourth, Kim Brunning, tried resolution with Lisa months ago, but I've not encountered her since. In each case I've asked them to say something (even to tell me I'm flat wrong) if it is relevant to the long term hijacking of pages going on, with edit wars, AfDs, Mediation Cabals, and threats to have me "banned" as a means of trying to cow me away from trying to have articles not contradict each other. I've had a couple of emails from different people bounce back, and tried to contact them here. This is a huge problem. We've BEEN losing editors and I'm close to leaving myself.[[User:Teclontz|Tim]] ([[User talk:Teclontz|talk]]) 19:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I forgot -- I've also contacted Carlaude because he is the other party in the Mediation Cabal. And I've tried to communicate with L'Aquatique on her talk page because she's also been a witness to this.[[User:Teclontz|Tim]] ([[User talk:Teclontz|talk]]) 19:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::<small>Replied [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Teclontz&diff=231075807&oldid=231072490 here]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 20:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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Calil -- a lot of people are here and they were obviously contacted by different people. As for my own contacts, Lisa's already followed me around and shown diffs on there with my contacts. You told her to stop just now, remember? Also, here's another scare tactic diff on my talk page from some weeks ago: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeclontz&diff=223570163&oldid=223460240]. I'm no wikilawyer, but this bullying has driven off other editors and is attempting to drive Alastair and myself off as well. Besides, other than Carlaude, everyone I contacted had been driven off already and were unlikely to show up.[[User:Teclontz|Tim]] ([[User talk:Teclontz|talk]]) 19:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::<small>Replied [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Teclontz&diff=231081032&oldid=231075807 here]--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 20:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</small> |
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::Okay, I'll make the disclosure and then take a break. This is a fast day, too -- and that doesn't help on the nerves. I'm sure all of the Jewish editors here are a little rattled just from that.[[User:Teclontz|Tim]] ([[User talk:Teclontz|talk]]) 20:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==Re just a note== |
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Yes, I am around. How do I properly join the arbitration, simply by adding information to the Evidence page, or are there other steps? --'''<font color="#FF3300">[[User:Yamara|Yamara]]</font>''' <font color="#FF3300">[[User_talk:Yamara|<small>✉</small>]]</font> 23:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:It's just a matter of making a contribution on the evidence page. Keep your evidence under 100 diffs and try to add as little opinion as possible. The case is specifically about Alastair Haines in relation to another group of editors - so you're not a party. Nevertheless the addition of your experiences would be helpful for the ArbCom when they are analyzing the issue. I've mentioned some of the issue you and Alastair had at [[Masculine]] and [[Feminine]] so you can refer to (or differ from) some of my evidence--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 12:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== can you e-mail me? == |
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slrubenstein at yahoo dot com [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]] | [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 06:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:just sent you a message now--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 12:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== L'Aquatique has gone to far at RfA == |
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::Please intervene with L'Aquatique at RfA. The accusation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_arbitration%2FAlastair_Haines%2FEvidence&diff=232013701&oldid=232008646 stalking Ilkali] goes too far. Speculations have their limits. CC'd to Casliber. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] ([[User talk:Alastair Haines|talk]]) 02:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Portal:Feminism]] currently up for portal peer review == |
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Notifying you because you were an early significant contributor to [[Portal:Feminism]]: |
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[[Portal:Feminism]] has had a lot of changes and work recently and is currently up for [[WP:PPREV|portal peer review]]. Comments would be appreciated at [[Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Feminism/archive1]]. Thank you, [[User:Cirt|Cirt]] ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 04:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Enforcement == |
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Calil -- if it helps, I'll let you and the other admins know my whereabouts so that they can enforce whatever they need on any screen name I use. Honestly, it won't be an imposition if I just get away from the editor I don't get along with. But I'll need to let you guys know in some way that is offline.[[User:SkyWriter|Tim]] ([[User talk:SkyWriter|talk]]) 17:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Tim I think the idea of Lisa and you staying away from one another is a good one and if I can help facilitate that in any way do let me know. As far as [[Wikipedia:SOCK#Alternative_accounts|WP:SOCK]] is concerned you '''can''' legitimately create an alternative account and keep the connection between the two confidential. Or you can discontinue your current account and make a fresh start. So AFAIK there should not be a problem with this--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 18:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks. If this works, we'll each be a lot more productive than we've been this past year. :-)[[User:SkyWriter|Tim]] ([[User talk:SkyWriter|talk]]) 18:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC) |
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LOL -- thanks for making us shut up! -- this will go away when I disappear.[[User:SkyWriter|Tim]] ([[User talk:SkyWriter|talk]]) 19:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Just to go back over what I said above about WP:SOCK - when I say that one may "''create an alternative account and keep the connection between the two confidential''" - WP:SOCK asks users with alternative accounts either to publicly link them or to disclose the connection between accounts in confidence (this can be to a admin via email)--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 08:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks -- I've already let L'Aquatique know, and can let you know also.[[User:SkyWriter|Tim]] ([[User talk:SkyWriter|talk]]) 10:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Bracha L. Ettinger == |
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She is not notable in any field: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Bracha+L.+Ettinger%22&btnG=Search] [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Bracha+Ettinger%22&btnG=Search].This is a spam by an Israeli troll named Nimrod Kamer. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.0.14.111|89.0.14.111]] ([[User talk:89.0.14.111|talk]]) 18:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*To the author of the previous paragraph and any others supporting that position: As a disinterested party who is unfamiliar with the arguments here, I just stumbled on these repeated deletions & reverts. However, on the surface it seems to me that: (a) until and unless you convince people to remove the article about Ettinger, there's no future in deleting her hame from other articles or aguing her notability in or about those other articles; (b) WP content is supposed to be based on documentation by independent sources, rather than editors' opinions, and your cited google searches seem to contradict your opinion. [[User:Rich Janis|Rich Janis]] ([[User talk:Rich Janis|talk]]) 06:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::That's it exactly Rich--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 11:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:If you google her - she seems plenty notable. Why is this editor [[User:Ori Redler]] deleting her...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 15:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Curiouser and curiouser. I've left a note on the ANI thread about it, but I have to go offline for a while--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 15:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Is it ok if I giggle quietly to myself over here? == |
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You know at least you only affected yourself by your mistake, other people have mistakenly deleted the main page or blocked Jimbo ;) So you got that going for you :) [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 11:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Of course its okay - I'm LMAO :) <br>I'm going to cite MastCell's example - but at least he did it deliberately--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 11:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Hey, at least you can now boast an unusual block log... ;) --[[User:Ramdrake|Ramdrake]] ([[User talk:Ramdrake|talk]]) 11:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 22:41, 21 September 2008
Views of Lyndon LaRouche
- Views of Lyndon LaRouche (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
- Views of John Locke
- View of Adam Smith
- Views of Benjamin Franklin
- Views of George Washington
- Views of Alexander Hamilton
- Views of Thomas Jefferson
- Views of Abraham Lincoln
- Views of Franklin D. Roosevelt
All of these are red links. (I checked "Political views of..." and Political positions of..." for these individuals, and those are also all red links.) I could go on further, but I think you get the idea. Doesn't this strike anyone else as a bit absurd? We don't have "Views of..." articles for some of the most influential philosophers and statesmen in American history, but we do for a guy who has never won any political office, has had no real effect on American government or society, and has perhaps a few thousand followers at most? This is a clear and blatant violation of our policies on undue weight.
More than that, this article has been a net detriment to Wikipedia ever since it was created. It has served as a platform for POV-pushing (on both sides), sock puppetry, and incivility. Whatever marginal encyclopedic merit it might have is far outweighed by the trouble it has caused. One article on Lyndon LaRouche is enough. *** Crotalus *** 22:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Your argument is basically WP:WAX. We don't have Views of Abraham Lincoln, but does that mean we shouldn't? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)