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--- Contrary to Tibetan biographies written about him, Shantideva became a king in southeastern Bangladesh, which has been shown through archaeological discoveries that record him not only as the first in a line of "Deva" kings who recognized the Bodhisattva ideal as the highest Dharma (or truth).

I am confused. Are Tibetan biographies contrary to the idea of Shantideva recognizing the Bodhisattva ideal as truth? What does Tibetan biographies say that is contrary? This should be provided on page.

I don't claim to know too much about Shantideva history, not very concerned with it. I came here to learn more, and was confused by the statement about being "contrary to Tibetan". What are these discoveries, what do they show that is contrary? All this needs to be made more clear or just taken off, as it is it does not seem to be that informative.

Thank you for you time, and all the best.

Clavio

I deleted this para, because it's the first time heard it, and there's no citation or anything. And I've just been through the newbie's guide to NPOV (heavy going), and I think it's inappropriate to be saying "contrary to X's view", without saying what X's view is. ---MrDemeanour 00:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

The link to Shantideva.net hast nothing to do with Shantideva himself nor with Tibetan Buddhism either. His webmaster, aka himself Shan Chien Da Shi, lives in Spain and has been tagged as a pretender a year ago. Five years ago he started to prey, calling himself then Thera Karavika.

Shantideva.net offers information from the Shantideva Project _a charity orphan based, as if it was part of the NGO in question, although it's a way to promote a monastery in the U.S. devoted to Shan Jian himself.

I practice Buddhism and live in Spain, and also have relations with american buddhists, and there is no link at all of this website with any other order neither with the Ecumenical Buddhism. The called "avaivartika" order simply doesn't exist.

Please remove the site. I usually contribute in the spanish Wikipedia and don't dare to do it myself until anybody check my information. Erein

I followed the link, and it makes a lot of fuss about the supposed bengali origins of Shantideva, and the claim that the author of the Bodhicharyavatara wasn't the Shantideva from Nalanda. I can't verify these claims, and they certainly don't belong in the article; but it's wrong to say that the linked site has nothing to do with Shantideva. The track-record of the webmaster, it seems to me, is his own business.

I don't see any harm in the link, which is, after all, an external link. Accordingly I've left it in-place. MrDemeanour 16:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

External Links re-added.

on September 29, 2009 07:05 158.18.197.40.

I added the link back to the main page. Just because something is controversial, shouldn't be the reason to remove material.

It is the nature of the Wiki community to present information without personnel bias and bigotry.

I could understand if the links lead to information that was so offensive that it could incite violence. They do not--Torin93 (talk) 11:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC).

Torin93 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torin93 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC) --Torin93 (talk) 11:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

External Links re-added.

on September 29, 2009 07:05 158.18.197.40.

I added the link back to the main page. Just because something is controversial, shouldn't be the reason to remove material.

It is the nature of the Wiki community to present information without personnel bias and bigotry.

I could understand if the links lead to information that was so offensive that it could incite violence. They do not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torin93 (talk • contribs) 11:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

On 13 March 2007 196.44.16.10 removed external links with the note "removed controversial external link".

I'm not sure that "controversial" is in and of itself a sufficient reason to delete external links. I'm going to archive them here in case we decide that they should be restored. -- Thanks Writtenonsand 15:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Engaging in Bodhisattva Behavior, full unpublished translation of the Bodhicaryavatara by Alexander Berzin
• Commentary to Bodhicaryavatara by Patrul Rinpoche (in English )
• Popular Quotations from Shantideva's Bodhicaryāvatāra
• Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life (Tharpa Publications)
• Meaningful to Behold (Tharpa Publications: commentary to GBWL)