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Category:California Ranchos

Propose renaming Category:California Ranchos to Category:California ranchos

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, No need for rancho to be capitalized; bring in line with category:California missions and category:California presidios. jengod 21:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me panelists

Delete as another inappropriate performer by project category. I'm reasonably sure this is recreated content, if so this should be speedily deleted and perhaps salted. Otto4711 20:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Zimbabwean Australians

Delete, only contains one person, who is an Australian with Zimbabwean heritage. Overcategorisation and unclear category name. greenrd 20:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NFL Network personalities

Delete - We previously decided not to categorize people by network because people appear on many networks during their careers. The resulting categorization is not meaningful but causes category clutter problems. Therefore, this category should be deleted. Dr. Submillimeter 19:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 20:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Major League Baseball on ESPN

Delete - See the 4 Mar 2007 debates on related categories. This category should have been listed there but was not. Since similar categories for baseball on other networks have been deleted because they were effectively lists of announcer by show (which caused category clutter problems), this category should be deleted as well. Dr. Submillimeter 19:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 20:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The NHL on ABC

Delete - See the 4 Mar 2007 debates on related categories. These categories should have been listed there but was not. Since similar categories for hockey on other networks have been deleted because they were effectively lists of announcer by show (which caused category clutter problems), these categories should be deleted as well. Dr. Submillimeter 19:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 19:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The NBA on ABC

Delete - See the 4 Mar 2007 debates on related categories. This category should have been listed there but was not. Since similar categories for basketball on other networks have been deleted because they were effectively lists of announcer by show (which caused category clutter problems), this category should be deleted as well. Dr. Submillimeter 19:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 19:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:SportsCenter

Delete - This is effectively a category of announcers by sports program. Such categories create category clutter problems, as sports announcers work on many shows during their careers. The resulting category lists are difficult to read. Please delete this category; I am tired of repeating myself. Dr. Submillimeter 19:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 19:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ESPN College Football

Delete - See the 4 Mar 2007 debates on related categories. These categories should have been listed there but was not. Since similar categories for college football on other networks have been deleted because they were effectively lists of announcer by show (which caused category clutter problems), these categories should be deleted as well. Dr. Submillimeter 19:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 19:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former NASCAR drivers

Category:Former NASCAR drivers to Category:NASCAR drivers

Merge - In general, categories are not used to indicate status (such as "current", "former", "retired", "deceased", etc.). Therefore, Category:Former NASCAR drivers should be merged into Category:NASCAR drivers. Dr. Submillimeter 18:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - An identical proposal was debated in a 8 Sep 2006 discussion. The discussion was split even between keep and merge votes. Dr. Submillimeter 19:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep- I really don't understand why this is being debated again. It was agreed that it would be kept, because it is very important to Wikiproject NASCAR. For the organization of the hundreds of NASCAR pages it is necessary to have this sub-category. Casey14 19:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. We do not categorize people by occupation in terms of "former" and "current." There are about 350 articles in the "former" category and less than 200 in NASCAR drivers. Combining the two does not make the category so unmanageable as to require breaking with SOP to keep this category. It was not "agreed" that this would be kept. The previous CFD closed with no consensus, defaulting to "keep." Otto4711 19:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Former NASCAR driver category is crucial to Wikiproject NASCAR. Yes, there may be only 350 some current articles in the category at the time being, but over 1000 are possible. There are well over 1500 forner NASCAR drivers that all, under Wikipedia's provisions, can get pages. The NASCAR wikiproject is quickly growing, with only two years ago it had a handfull of pages. It is a vital page to the Wikiproject. The former NASCAR driver page had been all included in current NASCAR drivers. The page was tremendously unmanageable, and this comes from someone that had to deal with the page. Casey14 21:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aly & AJ

Delete - while the first CFD on this category just closed today, the fact that 14 other categories from the same parent Category:Categories named after actors were all nominated and deleted at the same time while this was the only one to survive warrants further examination of the category. From the March 4 CFDs, categories for John Wayne, Rudolph Valentino, Barbra Streisand, William Shatner, Olsen Twins, Ingrid Bergman, Marilyn Monroe, Audrey Hepburn, Hilary Duff, Mel Gibson, Steve Coogan, Sacha Baron Cohen, Fred Astaire, and Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers were all deleted as being improperly used as performer by performance categories whose contents were better served navigationally by being linked through the main subject article rather than a category. 14 deletions strikes me as pretty strong consensus against this sort of category yet this one survived despite having no material in it that wasn't already linked through the main Aly and AJ article. The subcats remain properly housed in categories for Album and Song by artist, just as similar categories for Streisand and Duff are housed, so that is not a bar to deletion. Given the strong expression against these sorts of eponymous categories and given that the survival of this one seems like an aberration, the category should be deleted. Otto4711 16:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Natives of Vilnius

Rename to Category:People from Vilnius, convention of Category:People by city in Lithuania. -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sherlock Holmes actors

Delete, as Actors by role, per discussion of November 6th. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Top Model Franchise

Propose renaming Category:Top Model Franchise to Category:America's Next Top Model spin-offs

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, sub category on the Category:Television spin-offs Kinsts 15:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Radio programs on XM Radio

Category:Radio programs on XM Radio to Category:American radio programs

Merge, we do not classify radio programs by whether they are available on particular satellite services, as far as I can see. greenrd 14:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per the convention of categorizing shows by network. See for example Category:Air America Radio which houses Air America programming. Otto4711 20:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pan Am Games host cities

Propose renaming Category:Pan Am Games host cities to Category:Pan American Games host cities

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, no reason to use colloquialisms. Punkmorten 14:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a non defining attribute of a city. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Popular organists

Propose renaming - Category:Popular organists to something which isn't POV. The category is meant for organ players who aren't classical specialists, so "organists for non-classical music", or "Pop organists", that sort of thing. Don't really know what to suggest. Category:Non-classical organists? Any suggestions welcome. MDCollins (talk) 14:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Microcomputer software

Delete - the classification has not been useful for some time. The majority of software in existence today runs on microcomputers - software solely for supercomputers and certain other specialised machines are arguably the only exceptions, if we take "microcomputer" to mean "a computer having microprocessor(s) as its CPU(s)". So, microcomputer software is the default kind of software - much like books with pages made of paper are the default kind of books, and there is little use in having a separate category for it, except perhaps inside a "historical software" category classifying very old (>20 years old?) software. greenrd 14:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and redefine - i.e. delete this category and establish a new one with a name denoting the multiformat µComp SW of the 70s and early 80s, which was originally the intent of this category. I saw the need for a category to contain µComp software and related concepts not connected to a specific machine and/or OS (-family) of 70s hobbyist and/or 80s home computers, for which separate categories the present µComp SW category is a parent. Two examples of such SW products are VisiCalc and Tiny BASIC. Maybe a suitable name for a new category, without said parent relation, could be "Multiformat early microcomputer software" or "Multiformat 8-bit microcomputer software"? --Wernher 14:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Software tools

Propose renaming Category:Software tools to Category:Programming tools

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, more accurate description, and in line with the new name of the main article of this category. greenrd 13:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

oppose The category structure in this area is messed up; this one change will not fix the problem. What is needed first is a discussion of what are good categories for 'software' as a whole; once that is concluded, then it can be implemented by having the necessary category and subcategory structure set up and moving articles to their proper location. Hmains 16:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:London events

Propose renaming Category:London events to Category:Festivals in London

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, to the standard form for this kind of thing as per Category:Festivals in England. I have moved the three sporting events to the very well populated category:Sport in London. Greg Grahame 13:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Professionalism of Exercise Physiology

Delete, lists are not categories. This contains a list of books and one article, which is actually what should be the "main article" link, so arguably it contains no articles. greenrd 13:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: Actually, that link doesn't count as a main article - it merely provides context, so it shouldn't be in the category.--greenrd 15:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is just an arbitrary list of references. It is not even worth making this into an article. Dr. Submillimeter 18:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Projects cancelled before service

Propose renaming Category:Projects cancelled before service to Category:Engineering projects cancelled before service

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, The current category name denotes a larger scope than the intended scope of the category, which seems to be only about cancelled engineering projects, not all cancelled projects. greenrd 13:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Practices which elevate body temperature

Delete, not needed - the fact that the practice elevates body temperature can be noted in the articles, where it is relevant. greenrd 13:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lasallian schools

Category:Lasallian schools to Category:Lasallian educational institutions

Merge. Usage of the term "school" varies regionally, covering colleges and universities in North America but not in the United Kingdom. Since the Lasallian Brothers have a global presence, this ambiguity is giving rise to confusion, with several of the 'schools' included in the category not really belonging. CounterFX 10:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update. Although Category:Lasallian high schools appears to be better defined, it nonetheless has several erroneous entries, and is still susceptible to regional interpretations (check out the usage of the term "high school" in the United Kingdom and other languages). In some countries, the term "high school" is obscure and virtually unheard of; categorising secondary schools from such countries into Category:Lasallian high schools goes against the spirit of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). Thus, I would also propose merging it into Category:Lasallian educational institutions as well. CounterFX 11:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Honbicot 12:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Converts to Islam

Merge all to Category:Converts to Islam

Housekeeping from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 4, I believe there is consensus to delete these categories, but some were not tagged or listed in the nomination. Tim! 10:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Massacres in the United States of America

Propose renaming Category:Massacres in the United States of America to Category:Massacres in the United States

Nominator's Rationale: Rename United States of America >> United States, consistent with other U.S. hist cats. jengod 09:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. CounterFX 10:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
rename per nom to match parent and sibling categories. Hmains 16:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Antiques experts

Category:Antiques experts to Category:Antiquarians

Merge, it seems they are the same thing. A soft redirect is probably in order. Eliyak T·C 08:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep Not the same thing at all. The term Antiquarian was used mainly from the 16th to the early 19th century, and the people to whom it was applied were engaged in very different activities from the antiques experts who appear on the Antiques Roadshow. Honbicot 12:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Some antiques experts may be considered antiquarians, but by no means all. Nobody would ever call a specialist in a particular genre, say Wedgewood, an antiquarian. And antiquarians need know nothing about physical antiques. Merging or renaming these two categories is an absurdity. Quatloo 20:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. What Quatloo said.

Category:Money of Lithuania

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The result of the debate was speedily deleted by Garion96 under WP:CSD#G8. mattbr³⁰ 12:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete, orphaned talk page of a moved category. ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hulk Hogan

Delete - Most of the articles are for films or TV shows in which Hogan appeared, making it an improper performer by performance categorization. The other articles on such things as Leg drop and The Fingerpoke of Doom are already appropriately categorized elsewhere. The family subcat is already appropriately housed in a category for wrestling families. This category should be deleted. Otto4711 06:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gerry Anderson

Delete - the category is being used as a placeholder for sub-categories for television series produced by Anderson, making it an improper person by project categorization. The bulk of the articles so categorized are also improper as person by production and it's also being used to capture articles on actors who appeared in one or more of his productions. The topics are linked through his eponymous article. The category should be deleted. Otto4711 06:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Honbicot 12:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meaningful grouping. These '60s sci-fi puppet shows shared a very distinctive look, and largely the same creative team. It makes sense to group them together. Rename the category if you want to, but Gerry Anderson's name is how they tend to be collectively referred to. (And for the record, the categories appear to contain a fair number of articles other than just person by production) Jheald 13:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, they also contain a number of articles for individual characters from the series, which is completely inappropriate. Those should be categorized under the series, not under Anderson. Otto4711 15:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Super Friends

Delete - Previous CFD closed no consensus, however, I believe there is strong consensus against categorizing super-team members by team. The bulk of the articles in this category are individual team members. Removing them would leave the articles for the shows, which should be categorized at either Category:Superhero television programs or Category:Television programs based on DC Comics, and a couple of miscellaneous articles on the toy line and the headquarters. all the non-character articles should be linked through each other and the main Super Friends article and the characters are all listed in the main article. The category should be deleted. Otto4711 05:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per all the previous superhero team category deletions. Plus, we can't categorize every character based on every media venue in which the character has appeared. Doczilla 06:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Wikipedia:WikiProject comics apparently decided not to categorize fictional characters by affiliation for reasons that have been stated previously. This should be deleted for consistency. Dr. Submillimeter 09:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Over the Hedge 2 characters

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The result of the debate was semi-speedy delete. – Steel 13:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Over the Hedge 2 characters. WP:NOT a crystal ball. FMAFan1990 04:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Doczilla 06:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and that there are no individual character pages. mattbr³⁰ 12:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Polygamists

Delete - per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_3#Category:Polygamists greenrd 03:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per discussion of February 3rd. -- Prove It ^(talk) 05:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - We previously decided not to categorize people this way. Moreover, it would not be useful in some cultures or countries. Dr. Submillimeter 09:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - As I had already opined a month ago. Pascal.Tesson 14:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prominent Anglicans

Merge into Category:Anglicans, we assume that if they weren't notable in some way they wouldn't have an article at all. -- Prove It ^(talk) 03:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're probably right. But what happens to the pages with the old category? -- InkQuill 04:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, now that I've looked at Category:Anglicans, I believe Prominent Anglicans is a subcategory of Anglicans, which lists anyone who happens to be Anglican. How about changing Prominent Anglicans to Anglican and Episcopal Bishops as a subcategory of Anglicans? -- InkQuill 05:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge means that all would become members of Category:Anglicans, even if they weren't already. I would also support merging into Category:Anglican bishops if that that would make more sense, and someone wanted to check them all. -- Prove It ^(talk) 05:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Anglicans - For reasons stated above and in Wikipedia:Overcategorization, we do not use words like "prominent" in category names. PResumably anyone with a Wikipedia article is "prominent". Dr. Submillimeter 09:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Straight delete It looks like all these articles are in more detailed Anglicanism categories already. Honbicot 12:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete POV. Quatloo 20:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sponsorship and Funding in Australian Universities

Goes against WP:SPAM to give organisations publicity like this. Ansell 03:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Ottoman-Saudi war

Propose renaming Category:Ottoman-Saudi war to Category:Battles of the Ottoman-Saudi War

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, for consistency with naming standard of parent category. greenrd 02:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

rename per nom; to match naming use around it Hmains 16:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom and associated conventions. (Most of the articles in it need to be renamed to something less cryptic as well, incidentally.) Kirill Lokshin 18:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:ObjectWeb

Propose renaming Category:ObjectWeb to Category:OW2 Consortium

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, The organisation has merged with Orientware, and as a result, has changed its name. greenrd 02:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Order of Lafayette

Delete, only contains one entry after over three months. greenrd 02:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Magazines

Delete - it is not useful to classify magazines into such a category. The creator was probably thinking "United States" when they wrote "National", which is improperly US-centric for Wikipedia. greenrd 01:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The only current member is already in Category:American magazines. -- Prove It ^(talk) 03:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the previous comments. mattbr³⁰ 12:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Honbicot 12:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Izzy259

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The result of the debate was Delete; user category. -- Prove It ^(talk) 03:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Created by a new user, contains only themselves. EliminatorJR ^Talk 01:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Neocron 2

Delete, contains only one real article, over four months after creation. greenrd 00:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Movie studios

Delete - a reorganisation was proposed on Category Talk:Movie studios in 2005, but this proposal hasn't been acted upon, therefore the category is defunct. greenrd 00:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Film studios -- Prove It ^(talk) 00:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Prove It. bibliomaniac 1 5 00:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect into and to Category:Film studios. mattbr³⁰ 12:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Strong keep''' Not the same thing at all. The term [[Antiquarian]] was used mainly from the 16th to the early 19th century, and the people to whom it was applied were engaged in very different activities from the antiques experts who appear on the [[Antiques Roadshow]]. [[User:Honbicot|Honbicot]] 12:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' Some antiques experts may be considered antiquarians, but by no means all. Nobody would ever call a specialist in a particular genre, say Wedgewood, an antiquarian. And antiquarians need know nothing about physical antiques. Merging or renaming these two categories is an absurdity. [[User:Quatloo|Quatloo]] 20:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''. What Quatloo said.
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