Talk:Newly industrialized country

Pakistan??

Is Pakistan in the category of newly industrialized countries?? --Mm11 08:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Eastern Europe

Many Eastern European nations should be included as Newly industrialized countries. Poland for example is has many features of an advanced economy but lacking in other areas making it an emerging market. Zachorious 05:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is Argentina yellow?

The map is confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.110.221.182 (talk • contribs)

OR problem

What are the source/reference of countries mentioned here? Which reference has given such a list as it is in this page? Based on which reference Saudi Arabia is there and Pakistan is not there? Please add source mentioning the names of these countries as NIC or delete such a list.Farmanesh 17:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but you can't go article by article adding the OR tag when you don't even look at the references. In this case several books were used to create the article, so I suggest you to read those books. Thank you. AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 19:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Your efforts to enhance the article is appriciated and I did not comment about other parts of article. There is a one major list in the article with name of countries. Where is the refrence for such a list? If such a list is in any of the books, which one? You should clearly mention which page of which book or link has such a list. I would be happy to check it out as I have access to a large library.

If you kindely gathered such a list from your own research and underestanding then sorry based on OR policy it should be deleted unless you CLEARLY reference them. If you used different sources then you need to mention each source for each country. OR policy is very clear. Either wikipedian gives a proper source or that part should not be in Wikipedia. Please read OR policy.

I do not delete the current list and just tag it as OR for a while so if anyone wants can clear up the sources otherwise there is the OR policy.Farmanesh 01:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no OR problem. You are just doing this to include the countries you like (maybe Iran?) as you did in several other articles. I will remove the OR tag and the fact tag since the information is well referenced by TWO books. Now, it is not my fault if you lack the ability or willingness to click a link, or to go to you local library and ask for the book. Please stop asking for the deletion of perfectly cited information, as it is considered vandalism. AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 12:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

My friend there is no need for personal attack or accusation, they don't lead to healthy discussion and would only produce hatred. As I said before I am willing to look at any book or link you identify as reference. I really hope you do go and look at OR/V policies. They are here: [1] and [2].

It clearly says "The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not with those seeking to remove it.". Anyone (including many who have just added a country like Arjentina) has the right to ask you to clearly provide the source for current list of countries.

Again, provide a clear refrnece to where there is such a list of countries identified as NIC or IT IS OR. Just giving name of 2 general books at the end of an article doesn't make it referenced.

As I see our discussion has reached a clear point, by now you either would kindley read OR/V policies and provide direct/clear reference or if you insist on current version then we need to start the "Dispute resolution" process which would bring few admins into our discussion so they can judge if you have provided clear/direct reference to list of countries in the article or not.

Again, no need for personal attack, I do respect the time and effort you have put on this article and by no way want you to feel anything personal. That said the decision to which countries should be considered NIC should be made by scholars outside wikipedia. and you need to bring real/clear/direct refrence.Farmanesh 14:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

You're being stubborn. The whole article (the list of countries included) is based in those two books. I have read OR before. The list is referenced by two excellents books written by experts in the topic, so please go to you library and stop this. I'm not gonna make your research easier, go and read the full book, that's not my duty. OR can only be argumented when there is a lack or sources, and this is clearly not the case. Your lack of willingness to read the books is frustrating. Read the book. I have. AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 14:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Just keep in mind you can't revert the article that much. I'm calling an admin to see this issue. The list is referenced, there are two books this article is based on. So if you continue to argument OR (which this is not), I'll just report you for vandalism. AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 14:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

If the list is on those 2 books you need to give the exact page. It is a basic rule in refrnecing. You need to give the page.

Please just complete the refrence (give the number of pages) or if it comes from different pages say that.

I agree if you want to bring in an admin, seems you are not wishing to complete the refrence (saying where in those books have such a list). I am happy to clarify my question more if it is not clear yet: Where in those 2 books there is such a list of NIC countries?Farmanesh 14:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Both books have tables, and separate articles about the countries considered NICs. It is your duty to read them. Giving a reference is as easy as pointing out what book you based your work on, and that's exactly what I did. OR only says "unreferenced claims", well this is clearly not the case. Now, go and read as I did. AlexCov ^{( Let's talk! )} 14:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I think our discussion is more claer now, it is on whether just giving the name of several book as refrence is eanough or you need to give the page number which you take a table/list from.

I do belive it is a basic rule in refrencing from book to provide the exact page you are getting a table/list from.

I would be happy to have a third opinion here on this so please go on and bring an admin, if I am wrong and you do not need to give the page for the table/list you brought from a book then I would not insist anymore.Farmanesh 14:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)