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List of museums in Greece

This list is out of control. It violates WP:NOT#INFO and WP:NOT#DIR. Any museum that does not have its own Wikipedia article probably should not be here either; heck, we can use categories for the remaining museums, as is already being done for museums in general. Yechiel Man 14:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. It's not entirely a collection of links to external sites, but it's primarily so. We already have Category:Museums in Greece for the ones with WP articles. Deor 15:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; at best a partial list that would be impossible to maintain. Bigdaddy1981 18:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep we have lists of museums all over the place, 75 articles in Category:Lists of museums; this is part of an overall scheme to categorize and list museums by country. Appropriate use of lists. Carlossuarez46 22:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but compare this one with, for example, List of museums in Egypt and List of museums in England. In those, the listed museums are linked to to the corresponding WP articles—with redlinks when no such articles exist. This list, on the other hand, seems deliberately set up as an aggregation of external links (although it looks as if someone gave up partway through). And it's terribly organized, too. Deor 00:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I don't think comparing the current state of an article to other, certainly more developed articles, is a valid comparison as part of a deletion discussion. Deletion should mean whether we find the article to be a page which should not exist at all. If that is, in fact, the verdict, then I believe the aforementioned "List of museums in x" should all be deleted. I have already cleaned up all the external links, so that is no longer a valid objection. There are many museums in Greece which should have articles, and lists are partially what help Wikipedia to find those articles in need of creation. Categories only go so far. --_└^Smith120bh/_TALK^┐ 08:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but cleanup. It is currently a linkfarm, and a brutal violation of WP:EL. That does not mean the article concept is without merit, however. Resolute 02:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - yep, it is currently a disgusting mess of external links organized by arbitrarily-picked cities (not even regions), with lots of duplicates and bad spelling. But, it's a lot easier to build up a proper list from this than from an empty page. I just returned from 3 months of visiting a lot of these places, so I'll start on a little of that cleanup now. --_└^Smith120bh/_TALK^┐ 17:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. An unmaintainable mess. Category:Museums in Greece suffices. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep''' we have lists of museums all over the place, 75 articles in [[:Category:Lists of museums]]; this is part of an overall scheme to categorize and list museums by country. Appropriate use of lists. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 22:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 ::Yes, but compare this one with, for example, [[List of museums in Egypt]] and [[List of museums in England]]. In those, the listed museums are linked to to the corresponding WP articles—with redlinks when no such articles exist. This list, on the other hand, seems deliberately set up as an aggregation of ''external'' links (although it looks as if someone gave up partway through). And it's terribly organized, too. [[User:Deor|Deor]] 00:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
+:::'''Note''': I don't think comparing the current state of an article to other, certainly more developed articles, is a valid comparison as part of a deletion discussion. Deletion should mean whether we find the article to be a page which should not exist at all. If that is, in fact, the verdict, then I believe the aforementioned "List of museums in x" should all be deleted. I have already cleaned up all the external links, so that is no longer a valid objection. There are many museums in Greece which should have articles, and lists are partially what help Wikipedia to find those articles in need of creation. Categories only go so far. --<sub>└</sub>''<sup> [[User:Smith120bh|Smith120bh]]</sup>/<sub>[[User_talk:Smith120bh|TALK]] </sub>''<sup>┐</sup> 08:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 *<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Greece|list of Greece-related deletions]].  </small> <small>-- [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)</small>
 *<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Visual arts|list of Visual arts-related deletions]].  </small> <small>-- [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 00:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)</small>