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Category:Green Arrow

Category:Green Arrow - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - for all intents and purposes this is being used as a "superteam" or "supporting character" category. The articles are extensively interlinked. Otto4711 16:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wives of Henry VIII

Category:Wives of Henry VIII - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with no possibility of growth. The article Wives of Henry VIII and the extensive interlinkages between the articles suffice. Otto4711 15:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:List of United States stations available in Canada

Delete, as non-defining, or at least Rename to Category:United States television stations available in Canada. See also list of United States stations available in Canada. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Best selling music artists

Category:Best selling music artists - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: These artists, although probably deserving of inclusion in such a category, can never have their claims quantified. The contentious debate on List of best-selling music artists testifies to this. Gareth E Kegg 15:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to unclear inclusion criteria. Best selling of all time? Or just at the moment? Or by country? Or by genre? Singles, albums, downloads, or concert ticket sales? Plus, this sort of thing really ought to have references, and categories don't work for that. -- Prove It ^(talk) 16:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scotland international footballers born in the Highlands

Propose deleting - Overcategorisation. - Dudesleeper · Talk 15:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Dudesleeper · Talk 15:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Category:Scotland international footballers, place of birth is irrelevant. -- Prove It ^(talk) 15:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Distillery F.C. players

Merge into Category:Lisburn Distillery F.C. players, convention of Category:Footballers in Northern Ireland by club. -- Prove It ^(talk) 14:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current members of the United States House of Representatives

Category:Current members of the United States House of Representatives - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - People are generally not categorized on Wikipedia according to status ("active", "current", "former", etc.). The category's contents are already listed at 110th United States Congress. This category therefore be deleted. Dr. Submillimeter 13:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete sub nom.—Markles 13:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American College of Medical Practice Executives

Delete, almost no chance of growth. contains only American College of Medical Practice Executives. -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete good case of overcategorization. While some of the more notable Professional associations and business organizations do have their own cat, (i.e. Category:American Medical Association, I do not see a case where subcategorization based on smaller organizations would be helpful.-Andrew c 14:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Queen consorts

Propose renaming Category:Queen consorts to Category:Queens consort

Nominator's rationale: The usual plural is "queens consort". Psychonaut 11:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment all of the subcats need standardizing. I do not know enough about this topic to make a determination what is the accurate pluralization, but I'd like to note that we have Category:Persian queen consorts, Category:Polish queens consort, and Category:Portuguese queens consorts. Then we have capitalization issues, such as Category:Byzantine Queen consorts. Using google counting, "queen consorts" gets 13,600 hits, "queens consorts" gets 539, and "queens consort" gets 4,700. Also, the majority of the subcats uses "queen consorts", so I'm leaning towards keep (and renaming the few "queens consort", and capital "Queens").-Andrew c 14:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge to Category:Royal consorts. This is overcategorization based on sex and adds no navigational utility. Otto4711 15:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Australian soccer players

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category or categories above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was procedural speedy close, take everything to the DRV (see here). I've copied Blackmissionary's comment over there for him/her, by the way. Daniel 11:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Australian soccer players to Australian football (soccer) players

Nominator's rationale: Merge - I propose that this category be moved back to Australian football (soccer) players. This category was moved yesterday. No one from the Australian football community knew this was happening, nor was given any chance to comment on it.Tancred 10:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - It might be better to discuss this at Wikipedia:Deletion review before relisting it here. Dr. Submillimeter 10:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - Agree with Tancred. A hasty, bureaucratic decision, made wiithout any consultation to relevant editors. Blackmissionary 11:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have started to discuss this here - Wikipedia:Deletion review Tancred 11:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - With two discussions going on regarding this category, it would be best to close one of them. I suggest closing this discussion and using the one at Wikipedia:Deletion review to discuss further action, which is a more standard process for handling these types of situations. Dr. Submillimeter 11:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Current racehorses

Category:Current racehorses - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: *Delete - Athletes are generally not sorted according to their status ("active", "retired", etc.), and racehorses should not be an exception. The horses are already in several other racehorse categories, so they can be deleted from this one. Dr. Submillimeter 10:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, these kinds of categories require constant maintenance, and make no sense on a mirrors or CDs. -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People who were raised as children in the Children of God

Suggest merging Category:People who were raised as children in the Children of God to Category:Members of the Children of God

Nominator's rationale: Merge - People in most other religions and spiritual movements are not sorted according to the religion that was used to bring them up, and it is unclear why this movement should be an exception. The "children" category should be moved into its parent category (no pun intended). (Also note that the parent category is nominated for renaming below.) Dr. Submillimeter 10:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current and past members of the Children of God

Propose renaming Category:Current and past members of the Children of God to Category:Members of the Children of God

Nominator's rationale: Rename - The "current and past" part of the current category name is redundant (no pun intended). Just using "Members of the Children of God" in the future would be sufficient (pun intended). Dr. Submillimeter 09:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Categories for organization membership are supposed to by default include both current and former members. So rename per nom. Dugwiki 15:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current California State Senators

Suggest merging Category:Current California State Senators to Category:California State Senators

Nominator's rationale: Merge - People in specific careers are generally not sorted according to status (such as "current", "former", "retired", "dead", etc.). The category should be upmerged accordingly. Dr. Submillimeter 09:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. No current category will make sense when we make the CD. -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Comment: See Category:Current political office-holders.—Markles 13:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Category:Current political office-holders contains only three subcategories. One is a category for lists that is very appropriate. This category is the second, and I just nominated the third for deletion. Dr. Submillimeter 13:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom and rename the target category to lower case "s" in "state" and "senators." Otto4711 15:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Previous NCAA bowl game venues

Propose renaming Category:Previous NCAA bowl game venues to Category:Former NCAA bowl game venues

Nominator's rationale: Rename - "Previous" makes little sense when taken out of context. However, "former" makes more , as it more clearly indicates that the venues are no longer used for bowl games. Therefore, I recommend changing the category name. (However, it may or may not be appropriate to delete this category following the criteria for venues at Wikipedia:Overcategorization. I also do not know if separating these venues into "current" (Current NCAA bowl game venues) and "former" is a good idea.) Dr. Submillimeter 09:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current Members of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services

Category:Current Members of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete - This is the only category for members of a US congressional committee. As these people serve on several committees, having categories for all of these things would be cumbersome (especially since the names are so long). A complete list is already given on United States Senate Committee on Armed Services, and the list is easily reached through the articles on the individual people. The category is unnecessary and should be deleted. Dr. Submillimeter 09:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Batman actors

Category:Batman actors - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete and salt this recreation of category that has been deleted at least twice. Yet another performer by performance category. Yet another category created by what has to be yet another sockpuppet of User:EJBanks/User:Creepy Crawler/User:Fatone411/User:BarackObamaFan/User:Batman fan/User:TheJediCouncil. He has been permanently banned under several names for, among many other things, stubbornly recreating articles and categories. Doczilla 07:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete and bat-salt - This debate does not need to be repeated. Dr. Submillimeter 09:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category qualifies for speedy delete per G4 Recreation of deleted material. G.A.S 09:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above and precedent not to categorize actors based on project.-Andrew c 14:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vocalese musicians

Rename as Category:Vocalese singers, as that is the only variety of musician pertaining to the genre. (Mind meal 07:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Category:NRK

Propose renaming Category:NRK to Category:Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

Nominator's rationale: Prove It ^(talk) 20:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It is usually known as the NRK, which is also more practical as a category name. Compare Category:BBC. Kristinewes 15:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Moved from speedy. Conscious 06:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Portmanteaus

Category:Portmanteaus - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:WINAD, this category describe the word Moez ^talk 05:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is the categorization of subjects with names that are portmanteaus. However, the articles, which range from infotainment to smog to snuba, are otherwise unrelated. This is a variation on the categorization of unrelated subjects with shared names, a form of overcategorization, and it should therefore be deleted. Dr. Submillimeter 13:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Template documentation

Propose renaming Category:Template documentation to Category:Template documentations

Nominator's rationale: Rename, Most (all?) categories are plural or at least collective. —Markles 02:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Documentation is the collective form. I have never heard it pluralized as "documentations," nor does that form appear in any dictionary I own (admittedly, all are American English).-choster 06:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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