Talk:Teresa Heinz

This article has become a political hack job, not a biography. The information about this woman's life is overshadowed by quick jabs and long diatribes intended to highlight implied negative traits. The overwhelming use of derogatory anecdotes in a biography without balance is unforgivable in a forum that purports to be a responsible disseminator of information.

Cristina?

On http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/noticias/story/2004/03/printable/040304_lucasmendes.shtml they have Maria Teresa Cristina Thierstein Simões-Ferreira. I cannot find any other refences with Cristina as part of her name.

On a recent interview on Larry King Live, I recall her mentioning that she officially switched from the Republican party in response to some practices of a congressional candidate. Does anybody know more details? --NeuronExMachina 09:37, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Shove It

The "shove it" incident should be mentioned. Mike H 02:07, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

I haven't heard of it. Why don't you go ahead and add it? Be bold! Nelson Ricardo 10:58, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

I'll have to research it again. Mike H 15:39, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

I added the shove it incident, with two references. Edit mercilessly. Mike H 16:25, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

I modified it, because what the reporter was accusing of her of saying was not the way it was being reported. RickK 22:47, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

I think it is also worth mentioning that there's a history of anymosity between the Heinz family and that particular paper.

Madeleine Albright

It is said that she was a colleague of Madeleine Albright - what does this mean? RickK 22:47, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Since nobody has answered my question, I removed the section on friends and colleagues as unimportant. RickK 21:43, Jul 28, 2004 (UTC)

I've Met This Lady........................

I was so shocked to discover that Sen Kerry's wife is the former wife of John Heinz. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting this woman as part of her entourage during the Xmas holidays in Pittsburgh, PA during the seventies. I worked for the city and I got to see first hand, the program the Heinz company has for their employees during the holidays. Apparently it was a tradition going back to Sen Heinz's grandfather. This tradition involves the company providing holiday gifts and a party for tgheir employees and immediate family. She was carrying the ball for the family then, and from what I hear from my firends in Pittsburgh, she has continued this tradition that binds this community with this family. Last night I heard her speech and I now have some hope that at least, America has a choice this Fall. Who are we going as a people in the next decade?

...Eric....

erh305@netscape.net

"Shove it" incident

The so-called "Shove it" incident is being covered in excruciating detail over on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review article. The section is hovering around 1000 words, and growing, which makes it already twice as long as the rest of the article. Therefore, I am inclined to spin it off into its own article. However I can't think of a good article title. If anyone has any suggestions, or would like to participate in trimming the version of events at the Trib-Review article, feel free to jump in. Some of the material, such as accusations of funding radical causes and of having an abrasive personality, may be relevent here. I've deleted some that was totally irrelevent to the newspaper, but it can be resurrected. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:58, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

good god. by all means spin it off. it's the only solution to petty political squabbles swamping an article. can't think of a good title, but try to keep it neutrally descriptive. Wolfman 01:57, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

An exchange of words between the wife of an unsuccessful presidential candidate and an editor of a minor city newspaper does not deserve its own encyclopedia article. We shouldn't create one just to satisfy a rude anonymous editor who is probably an employee of that same newspaper. I'm sure we can cut the material down to an appropriate length. Gamaliel 04:48, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You lead - I'll follow. -Willmcw 09:31, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

well that would certainly be preferable. but be prepared for howls of outrage over "censorship". sometimes a basically pointless article can be useful to keep the political point scoring off the real one. but agreed, the incident doesn't actually deserve more than a brief mention. Wolfman 09:11, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to surf over with your red pencil and join in the cutting. (block that metaphor). -Willmcw 09:31, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the "rude" editor who noted that a certain unnamed person consistently used libel ("intentional lies") to castigate that newspaper AND the wife of a prominent political candidate. Yes, we trust him to edit something about either the newspaper or her.

And, regardless, that anonymous commentator doesn't want a unique encyclopedia article on a minor, trifling incident. The only reason the entry grew on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review entry was because of misleading, inaccurate and, quite frankly, libelous language.

But mention such things and one becomes "rude." How about accurate? (unsigned by user:147.72.93.172).

Tribfan (for want of a better name): Activities like lying, questioning the motives of fellow editors, making legal threats, and failing to follow the editing norms of Wikipedia (like signing talk-page posts) are indeed rude behaviors. When we get around to cutting down the text in the P T-R article I hope that you will conduct yourself in a more collegial manner than you have in the past or than you have exhibited here. Thanks, -Willmcw 20:12, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

This is beginning to seem like a cult, all these Wikipedia types jotting down opinion in the place of fact. Of the three names I notice from above, one continued to print what in law is known as an "intentional lie," a falsehood that he knowingly employed to characterize a commercial entity. In more common parlance, this is known as libel. To call it what it is, one is then receives the stamp of "rude."

I would call it accurate. If the "editing norms" of Wikipedia include libel, lying and fact-challenged analyses, then you get what you pay for, right?

Another name noticed from above continued to use partisan press releases in lieu of actual facts, easily obtained from paper copies of the newspaper itself, to paint the newspaper in a bad light. This careful mis-selection of "proof" to slur a large metropolitan daily went largely unchecked, and when it was corrected, the person who was right is seen as something less than "collegial."

The reality, of course, is that even the cyber world must conform to the rule of law. Unfair, malicious characterizations of people or institutions, without proof, is illegal. To say this is not so is to deny a thousand years of the common law. We wouldn't accept that sort of proofing at a newspaper, but we do when people try to frame it on the web?

How rude of me.

Update - the video link to this seems bad. I can't find a good link. It's getting older and more passe, but it would still be nice to have a working video link. 67.185.99.246 21:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Name change

News services note that earlier in 2005 Teresa Heinz dropped Kerry from her name. The Heinz Endowment site lists her only as Teresa Heinz, Chairman. That would mean the redirect would be from Teresa Heinz-Kerry to Teresa Heinz.

• http://www.heinz.org
• http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/whispers/s_300508.html

Her name was never Kerry, it was a media invention, a al Hillary Rodham

I agree. But even worse is "Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira Heinz Kerry" which I am sure she has never been called in an actual setting. She seems to prefer to be known as "Teresa Heinz". I suggest we move the article to that name, and do the same with her name in the lede. -Willmcw 21:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Portuguese names can get complicated. Though no one might refer to her as such, that is her full complete name. Kinda reminds me of Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan. Nelson Ricardo 02:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Can you show me an official source which calls her that? Names don't necessarily keep accruing with every marriage, like barnacles. For example, many women in the U.S. drop their middle names when they marry and shift their maiden name to the middle position. -Willmcw 05:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Official, probably not, but see here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Maria+Teresa+Thierstein+Sim%C3%B5es-Ferreira+Heinz+Kerry%22 Nelson Ricardo 17:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Gee, that is a remarkable list. However unless she actually calls herself that, or is called that in official documents, then I think we should not insist that it is her name. If it is her "real" name, maybe we should move the article to that title. -Willmcw 22:33, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Her name is Teresa Heinz. She supposively changed her name legally to Teresa Heinz Kerry during the campaign, but I can't find any record of it. In February 2005, she began using Teresa Heinz, dropping the 'Kerry'. This has absolutely nothing to do with John Kerry - according to her publicist, she never really got over the death of her first husband. --65.96.79.39 01:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

the consensus seems to be quit talking about it and change it already. go ahead, no one argued. wiki policy is that the article title is the most commonly known name (unless it is somehow incorrect). since the election is long over, most who know her know her because of her philanthropy, where she has never been known as anything other.

This entry seems unpardonably to violate POV. I erased it. It is not worthy of an encyclopedic entry, and seems to simply trumpet a political view that is unsupported by even cursory sourcing.

'This quotation is emblematic of the incident's coverage, which largely failed to note its broader political context. The Tribune-Review is owned by a highly influencial conservative, Richard Mellon Scaife, and throughout the election cycle the newspaper served the pro-Bush agenda with demonstrable faithfulness, focusing its local efforts primarily on the drama's prominent Philadelphian. Without this context or some exploration of the agendas of all its key players, the incident (such as the "Understandable" utterance) was only partially understood by viewers and readers; ultimately, its effect was to help keep public debate fixed on the level of tabloid distraction.'

Heinz's Jewish Ancestry

No one has bothered to put any information about Heinz's Jewish ancestry to insert in to the article yet? She comes from a mostly Sephardic family, which are the Spanish/Portuguese Jews (instead of the European ones, which are called the Ashkenazim). Actually it seems that her mother (Irene Thierstein) was an Ashkenazi Jew, and her father (Dr. José Simões-Ferreira) was a Sephardic Jew, so by all accounts she is a 'mixed' Jew! --172.165.177.99 06:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)