Talk:Rock Lee

Eyes =

What's up with his and Might Guy's eyes versus everyone else's in the anime? 67.188.7.78 06:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hachimon Tonku

The correct names of the gates are in order, precisely according to the anime:

Open gate(開门), Energy Gate(休门), Life Gate(生门), Wound Gate(傷门), Forest gate(杜门), View Gate(景门), Insanity Gate(驚门), and Death Gate(死门).

We should make a separate article on the Hachimon Tonku, since there isn't one.

LouisNG114: Removal of DBZ reference in Weighted Clothing fact

Why was this removed? It is a relevant comparison to an other martial arts anime with mystic martial arts powers that also uses weighted clothing and subsequent removal to increase strength and speed. If you don't discuss this, I will add the change again. Tyciol 06:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Because it has nothing to do with naruto.--Kenshin -Himura 20:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually it does as the Creator of naruto is a big DBZ fanKotenks 18:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I bet they will b very interested 2 hear that.--Kenshin -Himura 23:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not they are (I don't care), the point is that it has appeared in anime before, and is a part of real life martial arts (albeit, controversial issue), so it does deserve mention. Tyciol 18:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It is actually true that Kishimoto was heavily influenced by Toriyama, and he has mentioned that he loved the Dragonball manga. That doesn't neccesarily mean that this is where he took the idea from though. Retlor 06:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Three or Five Gates?

There's a misconception here that I've also noticed scattered around the internet. This article currently states in the Exam Arc section that "Lee can open 5 gates, but only opened 3 during Ura Renge." This is probably based on Gai's remark that Ura Renge requires 3 gates to open, and the way that Rock only seems to open 3 of them during the fight.

In truth, however, in both the manga and anime (chapter 85, and the corresponding episodes 49-50), he opens these three gates in addition to two he had already opened in a less spectacular manner, therefore opening all 5 gates. The evidence is in his naming of these last three gates as he opens them; in both manga and anime he announces them as the third, fourth and fifth gates respectively.

I'm basing this on Dattebayo's subtitled version of the anime and Inane's translated version of the manga, both of which are fan-works, so there are still grounds for me to be corrected.

If there are no objections, however, could we correct this? --Twelfth 00:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

You are correct. Lee opened the First Gate when he did the Omote Renge, the Second Gate at the end of chapter 84, and the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Gate in chapter 85. --JadziaLover 01:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I modified that one sentence. The sentence structure remains almost identical, so there shouldn't be any problems.--Twelfth 22:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Rock Lee?

Was there an error in bringing Rock Lee's name to America? I know that names are reversed in Japan (i.e. Uchiha Sasuke), but Rock Lee is the same in both languages. II'm asking this because Rock Lee's team mates and other people refer to him as "Lee" or "Lee-san" rather then "Rock" or "Rock-san." This lack of name reversing is evident in Zaku Abumi, Kin Tsuchi, and Dosu Kinuta. If someone could just clear this up, it'd be much appreciated. DragonMaster 19:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

No, there wasn't a mistake. The second data book gives the romanization of Lee's name as "Rock Lee," just like Gai's name is romanized as "Might Guy". Kakashi's name, however, becomes "Kakashi Hatake". The "Rock" in "Rock Lee" and "Maito" in "Maito Gai" are more likely nicknames the family names. Although we will not know for sure until we are introduced to more of their relatives. ～卍 JadziaLover ^{会話~投稿} 卐～ 22:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

It also seems likely that they simply decided "Rock Lee" flows better, and "lee rock" doesn't evoke the imagery (such as the connection to Bruce Lee) that they want--69.113.106.92 04:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The reason why Rock Lee's name is not reversed like Sasuke is that ローク・リー　has "・" in between while うちはサスケ does not. louisng114 23:27, 22 June 2006

NPOV

The article sounds a little fanboy-ish. An example:

It is because of his determination and hard working ethic that Lee has become an outstanding shinobi, to the point of making Chūnin during Uzumaki Naruto's absence from the village.

All the former 12 genins except Naruto (and with Sasuke being unknown) made it to Chunnin or Jounin even the weaker ones like Chouji and Hinata. Considering Rock Lee is better compared Chouji and Hinata and him being a Chunnin only, so its Rock Lee being Chunnin is nothing special. -Unknown

but you must remember that the 2 years has about 4 chunin exams......but i dont know when each character entered and passed. so this is nothing really important but if some one knows when everyone passed i would like to know -Unknown

Hinata's not exactly a weaker one. The one who defeated her in the initial chuunin exam was Neji, who'll you'll note is a Jounin now. In the Naruto factbooks she's rated at a higher taijutsu level then all the people in her year (so that wouldn't include Neji or Lee). She doesn't really deserve to be paired with Chouji as weaker. That and, Chouji's only weak when he doesn't use his pills :) Anyway, I don't think there's anyway to find out who passed, although we can safely assume Neji became chuunin first (besides Shika). Tyciol 17:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Speed and Strength

The filler arcs show just how strong and fast Rock Lee is. Raiga (an S-class ninja) comments that Lee would have killed him in one hit had he not been wearing his lightening armor. The guy from the 3rd Green Beast arc comments that Lee and Guy are both moving faster than the speed of sound (after opening the first 5 gates). Not canonical but shouldn't this be in trivia?

If you want it there add it.--Kenshin -Himura 20:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure being able to kill Raiga is exactly a large accomplishment. Even though ranked S-Class, it's made pretty clear that Raiga's a pretty sucky ninja, and even though he's one of the mist swords like Zabuza and Kisame, isn't actually very good. His power mainly comes from having the helper on his back (he was mediocre before then) and having his lightning swords. As for moving faster than the speed of sound, I don't see why not to include it. Lee was barely visible when fighting Gaara and the sounds of impact occured with a delay after hitting the walls, so he probably was moving faster than sound. There's a difference between conflicting with canon, and simply giving it better background or explanation in filler. Tyciol 17:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Graduation

One of the problems that Naruto had in graduating was that he could not replicate himself. How did Rock Lee graduate since he has no {Gun,Nin)jitsu? He was a special exception. His taijutsu was so off the charts that they allowed him to graduate without having to have skills in nin and gen jutsu. -Unknown

Yep. He's never going to be a Jonin, but he can become a Tokubetsu Jonin (I think that's it), which essentially means he's recognized as being on-par with someone meeting the minimum requirements for a jounin even if they don't necessarily meet those requirements themselves. 151.151.73.163 20:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Tokubetsu Jonin is more like someone who meets the requirements for Jonin in SOME areas. With Lee that would obviously be his Taijutsu. Because a Jonin seems to require high competence in many areas, it's unlikely that Lee could become one. -Unknown

I have to disagree here, besides being unable to mold chakra for Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, he's perfectly competant in all other areas. He's a good fighter, tracker, with incredible stamina and speed and strength. That he is able to open the gates is evidence enough of his status as a Jonin. Note that when the gates are open, you have power on par with a Hokage, much like Choji's third pill. Tyciol 15:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

And the graduation requirments could have been changed remeber Lee was a year ahead of naruto when he graduated so he could have done something different —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skyblaze (talk • contribs) 01:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Personally I think Rock Lee could and should be able to become a Jonin cause he is a great fighter and would serve as a great Jonin for Konoha and would be very helpful. Besides, hes awesome! But maybe im just saying that cause hes one of my favorite ninja, right after Gaara.QuietDrive627 23:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I am hardly an expert, but isn't Rock Lee rather vulnerable to genjutsu? A real Jonin should be difficult to defeat no matter what technique you use, but it seems that Rock Lee has absolutely no defense against any form of genjutsu and so he could be defeated by a genin. All you need to do is trick Lee into not seeing a kunai coming at him; that should be easy for most ninja. -- Lilwik 04:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason why he couldn't disrupt his own chakra. He's not molding it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a question. Is it ever specifically stated that Lee can't mold chakra? The translation of the manga I have just says that 'Lee has almost no talent in ninjutsu or genjutsu.' I mean, he can certainly use Chakra to walk on water. Retlor 21:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

As to Lee being vulnerable to genjutsu, being able to use is not the same as being able to defend against. There are a few instances is the filler arcs there he sucessfully defends against illusion based moves while still being incapable of doing them.

In Shippuuden 13 (12:40 minutes or so) we find Gaara walking on water with Mait Gai. I always thought that to be able to do this reqired one to be able to control Chakra. Is there another explanation?

Continual removals of content

People keep removing references to his appearance in the movies and my expansion of other sections, what's up? 'I'm inclined to agree this isn't important' is a ridiculous comeback. Furthermore, articles like this get so much traffic, it's not as simply as reverting a deletion, as changes have been made since, requiring manual replacement. Everything related to Rock Lee belongs in this article. Tyciol 10:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's first look at your section on the "Start credits". The only factual part of that paragraph is that his silhouette appears and that he has competitive feelings towards both Naruto and Neji, the rest being pure conjecture. Given that his appearance in the credits is unremarkable and his rivalry with Neji is already mentioned, the only part of that entire section is that he views Naruto in a competitive light. Next, your section on the "Third Movie". It starts out as a introductory summary of the movie as a whole, goes on to detail Lee's wardrobe, speculates as to Lee's role, and again goes back to the movie as a whole. When the movie is actually made available, you can try adding a more Lee-oriented synopsis.

As for the rest of it, why does half of the article need to be dedicated to his role in the filler arcs? I don't think anything of great significance happens during the filler arcs, and it's extremely unlikely that anything that goes on in the filler arcs will be integrated in any large degree to the anime's adaption of the manga. If something in the condensed filler arc summary is wrong, then fix it, but the filler arc summaries don't need to surpass what is actually relevant to the series in length. ~SnapperTo 21:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, why was the Trivia section cut out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MajinPalgen (talk • contribs)

WP:TRIV dictates that trivia sections be avoided when possible and that whatever useful information is in the section be worked into the rest of the article. Whatever notable information that was in the trivia section can be found elsewhere. ~SnapperTo 21:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

spinning move

what was that move Lee used when he spun his entire body into Kimimaro Kaguya while in his "drunken" state? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.185.163.37 (talk) 23:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

All of Lee's moves while drunk can fall under the umbrella of Drunken Fist. The key to that particular style is his unpredictability, which was what made him perform that move. It probably won't get a name unless Lee performs it again in the future. -- Seraphchoir 17:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Naruto the Movie 3

I am currently in the process of writing a small section for Lee's role in the third movie. Shiakmaru has one, why shouldn't Lee? In any case, I added it. >_> 01:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.67.168.143 (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Relationships

It says when discussing his relationship with Sakura that his reasons for liking her are unadressed, but other crushes have been. When have they been elaborated on?

It refers to the fact that most other crushes are based on someone's abilities or looks. Lee's infatuation with Sakura has not been shown to be as shallow. ~SnapperTo 19:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

It was love at first sight. I think it's based on looks. It can't be abilities, since Sakura just plain sucks in a fight.

Victories

Aside from his brief battle with Sasuke, has Lee ever won a fight?

Probably not. He keeps getting forced to fight unstoppable guys like Gaara and Kimimaro.

True he does usually get stuck fighting the guys that they make so overpowered so as to make a big scene when the central characters get to have their victory.

Lee wins his fight agianst his clone in shippuden , urm...No i think thats it. , at least , not counting filler/movie fights.Lozmaster 21:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Primary Lotus

um...this page was weird please tell me it's right...um, yeah. Listen, on the abilities page, is the Primary or Initial lotus technique just not a big enough ability for the page? Cause he uses it quite a lot during the Chuunin exams. I was just wondering about this.Kakashi The Mirror Ninja 23:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Primary Lotus is briefly mentioned under Jutsu (Naruto)#Eight Gates. You do have a good point, though, so let's wait for other opinions on the matter. Regards, You Can't Review Me!!! 23:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)