Talk:2007 Texas Longhorns football team

GA Nomination

I have decided to nominate this article for GA. I feel it meets all the criteria. There may be some question about whether it is appropriate to have a GA about a season that is just starting. I believe it is appropriate because the article is already a useful source of information about things such as schedule, the historical records of the teams, etc. We will see if it is found to meet the other criteria. Johntex\^talk 19:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

GA Fai

I'm going to fail this for GA on the stability criterion. Given that the season is not complete I don't see how it can pass stability; very substantial changes will need to be made. I have confidence it can reach GA after the season; the work done on the 2005 season is impressive but also highlights what will need to be done to this.

If you feel this decision is inappropriate, please feel free to take it to a review at WP:GA/R, the good articles review page. Mike Christie (talk) 15:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Review

This article has been listed as a GA candidate for a month. Today, an editor failed the article without a review. Their reason was that more information will become available at some point in the future, so they failed the article.

The GA criteria states

5. It is stable; that is, it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of an ongoing edit war. Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, and improvements based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply.

This article meets that criteria because it is stable.

The idea that more information will become available in the future is not a reason to fail it now. If the article makes GA now and then becomes unstable later, it can be delisted later. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and it is improper to fail this article on the basis of something that might happen in the future.

As of today, the article is informative, and I think it passes all the GA criteria. I ask that the article be given its GA review based upon what the article is today and what is known today about the topic. Johntex\^talk 16:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree with the reviewer. The substance of the article is going to undergo vast changes over the next 4 months. I don't see the rush to get an article GA when its about to become a completely different article. I am impressed with the effort put into the article before the season even begins. Of course, I expect nothing less from you, Johntex. But I equate it to getting an article on a president up to GA a week after he is elected or on a building that just begins construction. Then again, thats just my opinion. This might be something good to raise on the GA talk page or with the GA WikiProject.↔NMajdan•talk 21:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi NMajdan, thanks for the kind words.  :-) I did not take this to the GA talk page, but I did take the non-review of this particular article to GA Review. There were multiple opinions expressed of course. The majority opinion was to accept the non-review for now.

Even so, not everyone felt that it would be necessary to wait until the end of the season. For instance, some people said that it was a little too soon but that they might be able to support closer to the start of the season as information such as a roster becomes available. Link to the discussion at Deletion Review So, maybe I'll re-nominate prior to the season or maybe not.

In the mean-time, I have plenty of things to work on, so I'm not too worried about it. Johntex\^talk 16:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

After further consideration and talking to some other people, I've decided to re-nominate the article for GA. Johntex\^talk 01:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

GA Attempt2

After four months since the first GA nomination and some good improvements to the article (compare the changes), I think it is time to try for GA again. Notably, the article now has a roster, pre-season rankings, and information on what players are considered candidates for top award honors. Reviewers may want to view the earlier GA discussion above, including the link to GA review. Johntex\^talk 01:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

GA fail

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of August 13, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Yes

2. Factually accurate?: Yes

3. Broad in coverage?: No, the article does not cover a major aspect, the actual game summaries. Some of the individual games are too detailed and off topic such as the information about Arkansas State. The naming controversy, "As a member of the Southland Conference in 1970, Arkansas State was the NCAA small college football national champion" sentences like this are off topic to the 2007 Longhorn team.

4. Neutral point of view?: Yes

5. Article stability? No, this article is subject to change majorly from September-December. While normally I would assume good faith, I have seen football season articles go to hell with anons adding unsourced, unencylopedic game summaries. Once the season is over this certainly has the ability to become a good article.

6. Images?: Excellent

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. — T Rex | talk 11:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

In regards to point 3 above, that paragraph has nothing to do with a naming controversy. The explanation for that sentence is that it helps compare the accomplishments of the opponent to the accomplishments of the Longhorn team. The two teams have never played each other, but their are similarities in the two teams records within their respective divisions of college football. It is on-topic to this team because it helps the reader better understand the team's opponent. The reader can better understand this team's accomplishments by knowing something about whom they are playing.

Thank you for your review of the article. Johntex\^talk 16:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I have taken this to be reviewed, as I think this is a GA. --SidiLemine 14:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Note: WP:GA/R is an inappropriate venue for this discussion, since the article is not currently a GA. WP:GA/R is for currently listed GA articles to be re-reviewed after a period of time to see if they still meet the GA criteria. The proper venue for this article is at WP:GAC -- but I agree with the current review as it stands; I am less worried about the stability criterion, as it does appear to be mostly stable. But it clearly fails criterion 3 (completeness), as it is largely missing the game summaries. I don't see why we can't just wait until the end of the season. Dr. Cash 18:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Please note that the {{Template:FGAN}} specifically states, "If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review." Johntex\^talk 18:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• As a contributor to the article as well as the nominator for GA, I remain of the opinion that the article meets the GA standards. The two possible objections that have been mentioned are completeness and stability. I will speak to each one:

Stability - this article is stable and free from edit warring. It is certainly possible that it may become unstable in the future, but that is true of any article on Wikipedia. We should not try to peer into a crystal ball and find hypothetical future problems. This article is closely watched for vandalism and destructive edits, and it is highly unlikely that any such problems will impact the article more than momentarily. The article meets the stability criteria today.

Completeness - this article thoroughly describes the topic as it is known at this time. If we ever send humans to Mars then we will surely learn some new things and of course our article Mars will need updating, but that should not be counted against the article today. As to this article, as each game is played, it usually only takes a couple of paragraphs to add the main points into the article. More detailed information goes into sub-articles according to the Wikipedia Manual of Style on Wikipedia:Summary style. For an example, please see 2005 Texas Longhorns football team, which is a current GA. The article meets the completeness criteria today.

It has been asked why even consider this article at this time? My reply to that is that a "good article" should be recognized as a good article. If we think this article is an example of some of our second-best work (behind FAs) then we need to recognize it as such. Doing so would provide an example to other people who are writing similar articles.

If the article is not worthy, then it should fail. However, it should not be failed because of hypothetical future considerations. If it meets the criteria today then I believe it should be passed today. Thank you, Johntex\^talk 17:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Tyrell Gatewood arrested

Article here. He hasn't been formally charged or convicted or suspended yet but I wanted to let the regular editors of this article know so they can include this in the article however they deem fit.↔NMajdan•talk 18:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The eleventh Horn has been arrested since the end of last season. Article here.↔NMajdan•talk 15:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Arrggghh. We're going to have to borrow some players from Miami if this keeps up. The Gatewood arrest is in the article, I'll work on the putting in John Henry. I've never even heard of him. Looks like he redshirted last year and hasn't played this year. Johntex\^talk 16:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)