Talk:Qutbism

Qutbee/Qutbi

Shouldn't the correct spelling be Qutbi? --Yodakii 09:23:33, 2005-09-05 (UTC)

We need to find the origin of the English transliteration of this term. I'm not sure how widespread the Arabic label is, but I cannot recall seeing the English anywhere. It would be more English-friendly to simply use "Qutbian". --Vector4F 05:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed Content

I removed this sentence from 42992624 [1], as someone contested it (and I can't prove it):

Some are rejected and some are accepted. Shaykh Abdul-Hakim Murad, a mainstream traditional Sunni scholar blames Qutbist thought for "Islamic terror" and the attacks of 9/11.

--Vector4F 19:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Proposal for more complete entry

Here are some changes I think will make this entry stronger. I am posting them here first for comments because the topic may be controversial, though I hope my changes are not.

• The statement "that almost all of Islam was headed into the era" of jahiliyya, seems toned-down. Qutb was more emphatic, saying (in Milestones) that "The Muslim community has been extinct for a few centuries"
• Tenents of Qutbism. Milestones spends only a page or so in his book Milestones (which is his manifesto) on the subject of science. Other issues -- Shariah, Jahiliyyah, freedom, vanguard -- get much more emphasis.
• Qutb was never head of the MB but did hold a high position in the MB.

More to come.

Leroy65X 19:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. --Vector4F 04:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposed New Entry

Qutbism is the Islamic strain of thought and activism, or ideology, based on the thought and writings of Sayyid Qutb, a celebrated Islamist and former leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood who was executed in 1966. The term Qutbee or Qutbi is used as a name for followers of these ideals, but the term is more often used as a negative label by Wahhabis or other critics, people who disagree with the Muslim Brotherhood, or want to distance themselves from the activities of militant groups whose ideology and activism is based on Sayyid Qutb's writings. "Qutbees" (also "Qutbis") usually do not refer to themselves using this name.

The so called "Qutbis" do not refer to themselves as Qutbies at all! They call themselves Salafies. If the Saudi Royal Clerks think they dont have a right to call themselves Salafies, then I think the Salafies dont have a right to call themselves Sunnies. Why double standard? Hassanfarooqi 19:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed paragraphs that were already included in the main article

Removed this para as it is part of the article itself Hassanfarooqi 18:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hypocrisy of the Saudi Royal Family

During the cold war the clerics of Saudi Royal Family hailed Syed Qutub as a hero of Islam against the "Infidel" Nasser. His biggest fan Maudoodi was the recepient of King Faisal Award. With the end of cold war, the Royal Family is seeing the ideas of Syed Qutub as a threat to their throne and have now taken a U turn. Saudi Arab's royal cleric Bin Baz himself issued fatwas in favor of Syed Qutub appealing for efforts to save his life. Now Syed Qutub is demonized by the same people long after his death. What a bunch of hypocrats.

Syed Qutub was Wahhabi/Salafi, like it or not

The Wahhabi movement in Egypt was founded by Hassan Al-Banna. Syed Qutub was his student. Saudi Royal clerks would sometime react to the word Wahhabi and say it is a slur against them althought they had used it initially. They claim they are "Ahl Assunnah Wal Jama'h", a term used by traditional Sunnies. Though among themselves, they would refer to themselves as "Salafies". If Wahhabi is just a slur, why do they deny that Syed Qutub was a Wahhabi and refer to his works as Qutbism? If the Wahhabies dont like the term Wahhabi, then fine, dont refer to anyone as Qutubi as no one calls himself a Qutubi! What hypocrisy!

History of the word "Qutbee"

I'm the one who wrote (at least most of) this subsection

Following Qutb's death Qutbist ideas spread throughout Egypt and other parts of the Arab and Muslim world, prompting a backlash by more traditionalist and conservative Muslims, particularly Wahhabi/Salafi scholars. The word Qutbee is said to have first been used by Saudi Arabian Wahhabi Muslims to refer not only to explicit devotees of Qutb's ideas, but to Muslim Brotherhood members and their sympathizers in general (despite the fact that there is a range of opinion among Muslim Brethren on Qutb's ideas.) The word Qutbee is similar in its use (though not its meaning!) to the term Wahhabi, in that it is used not by the Qutbees and Wahhabis themselves but by their opponents.

The information comes from the authors Kepel and Roy. Since it is causing so much disagreement here I will try to find the time to find the pages where the info came from. --Leroy65X 15:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

POV tag

POV tag was attached by an anon with no comment. I propose that without an explanation of what is allegedly POV, the tag be removed. OK with you Mezzmezzo? --Leroy65X 20:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Also I propose this quote stay.

"Neofundamentalist refuse to express their views in modern terms borrowed from the West. They consider that indulging in politics, even for a good cause, will by definition lead to bid'a and shirk (the giving of priority to worldly considerations over religious values.)" --Leroy65X 21:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It sounds good for me, and thank you for enriching the article with your references. Arawiki 22:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

That's perfectly fine by me. Arawiki, however, is removing two pieces of sourced info and added one piece POV here claiming that it is "per talk", yet still hasn't removed the tag despite seeming to agree here. Why? MezzoMezzo 15:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)