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ness footnote

yesterday someone changed ness from "?" to "X". there is already a note in the sourse saying not to, but i belive we should place another in a more visable space.--68.150.17.145 (talk) 07:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

If it keeps up the article is looking at a fortnight-long semi. We can't make the note obvious by adding it wholesale to the article. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 07:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Archive 7

For the seventh time.→041744 00:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice! --LN3000 (talk) 05:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Controlling the Pokemon Trainer?

Under the note for Pokemon Trainer it says the player "controls the Trainer only when switching between the three Pokémon."

I don't recall seeing this on the site or in any other source. PT wasn't playable at E for All, so unless someone can verify this fact I think it should be removed. Unless maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means. Either way, I think it ought to be made more clear. 24.6.89.5 (talk) 04:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

What that means is that the only action Pokemon Trainer does is switch Pokemon. All other actions are performed by Charizard and company. It's fine the way it is.Satoryu (talk) 05:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

If that statement could confuse someone who is familiar with Brawl, imagine how much it could confuse readers who don't know a thing about it. I think it should be reworded a little. Shall I do the honors?    Powerslave  05:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay. That works.Satoryu (talk) 05:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Dixie Kong

I am not saying to add this to the article but I think she appears in two screenshots of the update of the Co-op Events

1. In the first screenshot of the events, in event number 6, what appears to be a battle against a giant DK, if you zoom it on Paint you can see what appears to be diddy kong and dixie kong.

2. In the second screenshot, in the 4 event, you can see a blonde monkey, it may be Dixie Kong or less probable Tiny Kong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 05:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, she's in the game in some form or fashion; the Dec. 07 issue of GameInformer (with the Ghostbusters logo on the cover) also has a very blatant screenshot with her, Diddy, and a banana peel on a stage I couldn't identify for sure (looked like the first Subspace Adventure stage). But since we don't know whether she's a playable character or an assist trophy, there's really no point to this discussion. Arrowned (talk) 06:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The screenshot you are referring to, Arrowned, is with Trophies. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 06:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC) I just reviewed it, and I can't specifically tell. But still even if we do determine it is her, we can't add it in because it is Original Research. This is the same thing we did when we saw Donkey Kong in the gameplay video. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 06:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC) Found it, sorry for 3 discussions in a row. It was part of a movie, not a screenshot. Here is the link to the video on the Brawl Website. OMG DIXIE TROPHY?!?! Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 06:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a hunch, but is it all possible that Dixie Kong is a color swap for Diddy Kong? Nintendo's getting awfully creative this time around (Or just plain garish in the case of poor Snake's horrible orange/brown/god-knows-what cyber-punk excuse for a color. *shiver*) concerning colors. Also, on the aforementioned Game Informer article, they have all the characters that were confirmed (At that point, at least) and most of the assist trophies. Alas, Dixie Kong is nowhere in sight. BUT IT'S JUST A HUNCH! 209.247.22.26 (talk) 11:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Any way you slice it, dixie kong is not comifirmed, saying so is orginal reasherch an spectulation.→041744 13:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

In the game stop magazen issue #176 they also show a section of SSBB and Dixie kong(with diddy kong) is in it with a banana with eyes then on the next page it shows all the players but shes not on it so i think we should wait for Dojo.--DarkFierceDeityLink 13:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

In case you guys missed the conversation with Tinkleheimer above (I can confirm the video clip he linked is the screencap I saw in a magazine), she's a normal trophy (not even assist). There's no need to even "wait for Dojo", because Dojo's already confirmed it. Arrowned (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Lots of playable characters and assists are also trophies, Arrowned. --(trogga) 17:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I revised the screenshots that the first user say, and the first one really looks like Dixie Kong, and its probable, because one of the event matches can be a battle of Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong against Giant DK. And she has high possibilities of being a playable character, in melee Diddy Kong didn't appeared as a trophy and now he is playable. And in the video where she appears along Diddy Kong and Xananab, you can notice that the position of Diddy Kong is similar to the one of his artwork, Dixie Kong had also a different position that i think it has never seen in any artwork, while Xananab was given the same position as in his DK Jungle Climber. But all these is only speculation. User:Javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 17:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I only saw (actually it was very hard to see because it was zoomed too much) a monkey wearing a purple hat. Dixie normally uses pink clothes not purple. And is there any way to make the image clearer???? --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont think so, but in that image the colors look different, Diddy Kong's colors look like maroon. And Dixie hat is more like magenta, so i'm almost sure that the one of that image is Dixie Kong. User: Javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 20:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

All Right this is getting redicluos, seriosly MAGENTA?! Lets just close our mouthes and agree on this: (1)Dixie kong is not playable (2)Dixie kong is a trophy and (3)We do not know if she is a AT or not. Now can we stop this flibber-flapper over purple v pink v magenta on a unclear low-resolution picture, seriosly would he put an uncomifmed character in a photo, do you really think he is that stupid?→041744 22:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You never know. While I agree this debate has gone on longer than need be, Dixie Kong may still be a playable character. There is no confirmation or denial for that. So add her to the list of possible characters we not need mention on the article, if she isn't there already.Satoryu (talk) 23:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its not magenta, but is not exactly pink. And I agree that this is a ridiculous discussion, althought I think she is playable.user:Javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 23:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

This is the weakest character argument ever. --LN3000 (talk) 23:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd say this is the weakest argument on Wikipedia EVER, but 4channers still hold that unimpressive record. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Does Masahiro Sakurai read the stuff we put on wikipedia?--DarkFierceDeityLink 00:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

NTIKO. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

This is not an argument, its only my opinion—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 01:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, your opinion should not be in here and it can cause speculation. And thats not enough info, to say wether she is going to be playable or not. And I think Dixie has high possibilities of being playable, but its only speculation. user:javier12345 —Preceding comment was added at 02:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Also now I notice Dixie clothes are pink and are very far from magenta, sorry about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Javier12345 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

One last thing, when I said she appeared in two sceenshots, with that I mean she is playable(or was what I think), I know she has been seen as a trophy alongside a playable character and yes I know this is only speculation, and again this is not an argument, is my opinion. 201.163.39.74 (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

If we couldn't confirm Peach when she appeared in the Subspace movie, then we can't confirm Dixie from a couple of screenshots that leaves it questionable as to what her status is. TwilightPhoenix (talk) 18:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I never say we should put Dixie as playable in the artcle. 201.163.39.74 (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Mabey you should have clairified that alot sooner, appearently that's what we all thought you were impleing.→041744 22:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

o well, sorry for causing a confusion, it was only an opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.163.39.74 (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for opinions, it is for the displayment of facts, please keep your opions to yourself.→041744 13:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't WP:BITE. Cheers, Axem Titanium (talk) 04:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Raquazza

We now know for a FACT that he's a boss for Fox, Diddy.-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.166.188 (talk) 14:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It's been noted already. Oubliette (talk) 15:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Shiek's models

I found this somewhere, I don't remember where, but what i found said, "Clay models for Sheik have been sent to Mr. Sakurai, but it is unknown if he will include Sheik." So, could you PLEASE put it back? Ivyluv (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

(RI) The onus is on you to provide the proof, not on us to wait on you for proof. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 01:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually in this case, there already is proof... of the fact that the models were submitted. As the FAQ says, we have no idea what those models will be used for (Playable characters? Assist trophies? Subspace Emissary bosses?) or if they'll be used at all, so there's no reason to add that trivial note on its own to the article. Arrowned (talk) 04:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

They were polygon models, not clay ones ;) Powerslave (talk|cont.) 02:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Two Things:

1. Oh. Thanks! and... 2. "Actually in this case, there already is proof... of the fact that the models were submitted. As the FAQ says, we have no idea what those models will be used for (Playable characters? Assist trophies? Subspace Emissary bosses?) or if they'll be used at all, so there's no reason to add that trivial note on its own to the article."::::Well, not to be rude of course, but, uh, if we put my note in at all, what should we put in?Ivyluv (talk) 21:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no point in discussing what we'd put in. There's no way to add a note to the character list in a way that would make it not be original research, and adding an abbreviated note somewhere else that pretty much just says what I did earlier would be a waste of space considering it's nothing but "here's some info that may or may not have any bearing on the game". Arrowned (talk) 05:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

look what i found looks fake but believable

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff285/horus_disco/luigirendervv21.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkFierceDeityLink (talk • contribs) 02:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright... so how is that going to help the article? Powerslave (talk|cont.) 02:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah how does it? Also maybe I'm just feeling De Jvju but hasn't this picture been brought up before? The Light6 (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I just want you guys to be on the look out people already have adding him in showing this picture and i have to do a lot of undoing and i'm starting to get a lil mad at people who add players to the game who are not in the game like Naruto. I believe that this page needs protection.--DarkFierceDeityLink 02:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Even if the picture's genuine, there is no proof one way or another what role the younger Mario Brother will play in Brawl. Remember that a few PCs from Melee aren't going to be in Brawl, at least not as PCs. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 02:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

But theirs no evidence that they(Luigi, C. Falcon ect) wont come come back, maybe the clones womt back excluding Ganon but theres no evidence to that. So I think we should wait for Dojo I just wanted you guys to see that picture( its fake if you zoom in to his left hand you see red which means this was really mario the person chnaged the picture like they did to the one from wolf http://www.maj.com/gallery/oozotheclown/Alternatecostumes/foxwolf.jpg really (fox)).--DarkFierceDeityLink 02:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no evidence that they *will* come back, either. And I didn't need to zoom in to know it was Photoshopped - Luigi would not have the exact same pose. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 03:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I knew a photoshop of Luigi was discussed before, however it wasn't the same image Archive 3 - Luigi either way it's a photoshopped image so there is no point in discussing it, however I do agree that the page needs to be semi-protected again. The Light6 (talk) 04:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not THAT trigger-happy to prot. Besides, the unsourced-addition crap has died down. Semi-prot Declined (for now). -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 04:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

NOTE) Super Smash Bros. Brawl is Semi-protected. If you have any objections, voice them Here. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 23:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Alloys

There's a new tertiary character group similar to Wire Frames, the Alloys. I move that we add them to this artical with pictures. 71.48.91.171 (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)