Talk:Pilot (House)

GA Passing

Good amount of information for a TV pilot, I don't see how it can get much better...maybe a little more on the Behind the Scenes. ...._(Complain)^{(Let us to it pell-mell)} 23:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Guest stars in info box

I think that whoever played Adler should be in the infobox, as she is a main character (per se) for this episode. However, the other two currently listed guest-stars are not notable as they appear (from what I can tell from the article) only in one scene. Therefore, I am removing them from the list. If they appear more than once, this article does not mention it, which is a flaw that needs to be remedied. Goiter McWilliostein, P. I. ^{You can't control me!} _{I'm a P. I.!} Save Stargate SG-1! 08:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Copyedit

OK, listen up, boys and girls. I've done my major clean-up. There are several flaws that I have found, which I believe need be tended to. See the to-do list above for details. Goiter McWilliostein, P. I. ^{You can't control me!} _{I'm a P. I.!} Save Stargate SG-1! 09:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Spelling?

I was attempting a spell check and noticed a "humour" outside of a direct quote. I expected this article to be in US English, as it is a US produced series that has its first broadcasts in the US. Is there some other aspect I'm missing? Jay32183 22:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• I think that's logical enough reasoning to follow the US English. The Filmaker 04:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Uhh no point arguing this again... Heweyeweyeweyeweyeweyewey... The Duke of Copyeditting, Bow before me! ^{You can't control me!} _{I'm a P. I.!} 02:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio

This page was marked as a copyright violation, which I feel is in error. The blanking of the page and requesting deletion is for when every version in the history is a copyright violation. The most recent version was not. Jay32183 17:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed. I've reverted the edit. The Filmaker 23:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

How is this article a copyvio? The original version was a copyvio, that is not being argued here. But the article has since been revised to the point that it is nothing like the TV IV version. How is this an issue? How is this harming Wikipedia? Furthermore, your link that you placed in your edit summary means nothing to me and I don't believe any other user around here. Please explain yourself before you so rashly block out this article which is currently in the middle of an FAC. The Filmaker 01:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions: "The infringing text will remain in the page history for archival reasons unless the copyright holder asks the Wikimedia Foundation to remove it." So if Zyaudi wants the old infringing versions of the text removed, an email from the copyright holders will need to be sent to Wikimedia Foundation to do that. Yes, administrators have the xcapability to remove individual revisions of pages, but, by policy, that is done in only very specific circumstances. And, in my opnion, the text is sufficiently different from the version complained about. — TKD::Talk 03:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Elements of the copied text persist into the current revision. Large parts of this are derivative of the copied text. This needs to be addressed, possibly by deletion. See Wikipedia:Copyright problems/Other. --Robth^Talk 05:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

We only have two sections in commons with the TV IV article: "Plot/Synopsis" and "Behind the scenes". The leads have nothing in common except for mentioning that this is the first episode of House and that Bryan Singer directed it. Because the TV IV Plot section was definitely not FA material, it was mostly rewritten. The "Behind the scenes" section only had two phrases that were wholely copied from TV IV; the rest of the contents of our "Behind the scenes" consists of information that is not found in any way, shape or form on House, M.D./Pilot. I reworded the remaining copyvio phrases, but I'm not sure that the writing style is necessarily better for it.--Rmky87 21:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Copied from FAC discussion

• For the record for anyone who reads this later. There are no suitable citations for the supposed "un-aired pilot". The link given above is to a site similar to Wikipedia. A site where any user can edit the article. This is not a suitable citation. The Filmaker 23:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • FAC discussion is closed, but if you wish to discuss it further: the article here still cites imdb. If imdb is a citable source, then this refers to the unaired pilot. Gimmetrow 03:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • That element of IMDB is not overseen by administrators, it is also an equivalent to Wikipedia. The Filmaker 03:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
    • The only parts of imdb I am aware of that are not fan submitted are WGA credits. Gimmetrow 04:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
      • That is not what I said. I said it was not overseen by the administrators. They are submitted by the fans, but the information is not checked before it is posted by any admin. At the top of the FAQ page, you can see the following "The content of this page was created directly by users and has not been screened or verified by IMDb staff." The Filmaker 15:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That's also not what I said. The two points I am making:

• The unaired pilot is mentioned often and seems to be legitimate content for this article. At this point, we only have the above assertion that a suitable citation does not exist.
• Imdb is not a reliable source and shouldn't be cited for anything. Nevertheless this article continues to cite imdb.
• Gimmetrow 05:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • IMDB is a reliable source that is present throughout many featured articles. As for having nothing other than my assertion. I don't know what to tell you. I'm saying there is no reliable source, having checked. You claim there is without any evidence to support the claim. If you do happen to find one I would be happy to add the information to the article. The Filmaker 05:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • That other articles use imdb doesn't mean it should be used, and here, you have a much better source - one which I found and provided, yet still not used. I have no inclination to do any other research if it won't be used. I am puzzled by this resistance to change anything about the article. Gimmetrow 05:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • The point is that articles with IMDB sources have been voted through many featured articles before this, obviously the hundreds of users (including administrators) who vote on FACs do not have a problem with IMDB as a reliable source. I am not seeing this supposed better source that you provided. My resistance is not to make any changes to the article. Only uncited changes. Any uncited changes to a featured article is not helpful, in fact it is unhelpful and knocks the article down a peg. Hence, my resistance to adding the information on the un-aired pilot stems from the fact that it is not cited and cannnot be cited with a reliable source. Nothing in a featured article should be uncited. The Filmaker 15:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
        • 1) The current imdb citation can be replaced with a far better, reliable citation. This should be a simple, non-controversial improvement to the article. 2) info about the unaired pilot could be added, if someone would do the research and find appropriate references. Gimmetrow 16:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
          • 1) The IMDB citation is perfectly fine. If you have a better citation, then I would be more than happy to add it. However, at this time, I see no point for me to rush out and find a slightly better citation for a perfectly good citation. 2) I have done some research, but then stopped when I found that there were no appropriate references. Which is what this issue boils down to, there are no appropriate references for the unaired pilot that I have found. The Filmaker 17:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Orange tint?

Is there any reason why the episode always had such an orange color to it? Both the TV aired version and the ones distributed on the web always look as though someone filmed it with some orange filter on the lens. -- MacAddct1984 16:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

• It is probably just a particular choice by the director, Bryan Singer. The Filmaker 17:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Plot

The plot is a bit long. For a 42 min episode, is there a reason it's 600 words? It's a blow-by-blow of the show, with the only thing missing being the actual dialogue exchange (which is still kind of seen in paraphrased form). It needs to be trimmed; there is no reason why it should be 600 words long, when feature length films are 600 words and twice as long as a television episode.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• I've copyedited it slightly. The issue is that there is more than your average television episode's worth of exposition in the Pilot. You can also understand that 600 words is a guideline, one which I somewhat disagree with, but it also has leeway as for complicated plots. 600 words is possibly good for a horror film, but for a complicated mystery medical diagnosis, it's different. In other words, it's subjective to every article. The Filmaker 20:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
• The plot section is fine right now. — Deckiller 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but this is a complicated medical television show, not a feature film. It's 42 minutes long, not 90 mins. We don't need detail for detail on the diagnoses. Everything they guess, and turns out to be wrong isn't necessary. You could summarize their mistakes into more concise sentences, instead of just relaying each of them as they happened.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Episodes#Format - "Plot synopses will obviously vary in depth, but don't write scene-by-scene descriptions". When I read this plot, it tells me everything that happens, scene-by-scene. You cannot compare style guidelines for a feature length film with that of a television show, that isn't even half the time of most feature length films. It's using the film plot guidelines to get around the "not detail for detail" guidelines. Just because it meets the 600 word limit of the film guidelines doesn't mean that it's ok to have scene by scene explainations.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll point out, that it was you who first compared the plot section to film guidelines (600 words). But I digress. The concept that we cannot include the attempts the team makes in treating the patient completely defeats the purpose of a story or a summary. By your reasoning the summary could simply be put down as "Rebecca Adler gets dysphasic. House, after a series of misdiagnoses eventually diagnoses her with cysticercosis. Thus ending the case." Further more, the section is not a total play-by-play of the episode. An entire subplot involving the team discussing amongst each other why House hired each of them is omitted. This culminates in a scene between Cameron and House at the end as well, which is also not in the plot section. Also, at least one, likely more, differential diagnosis scene(s) are not present. The Filmaker 21:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

What I pointed out was that you are using the film guideline as the episode guideline, and that this plot is 600 words, which is a bit much for a 42 minute show. Also, Wikipedia:Television episodes#Content, which states that you should have a brief summary of the episode. That which is on this page is not brief.

• This:"Afterward, House is approached at the elevator by hospital administrator Dr. Lisa Cuddy (Lisa Edelstein), who attempts to persuade House to fulfill his duties at the hospital's walk-in clinic, a task he loathes because of the uncomplicated nature of the cases brought to him. House refuses, claiming that Cuddy cannot fire him, and hurriedly leaves. Later, when House's team attempts to perform an MRI on Adler, they discover that House's authorization has been revoked. House confronts Cuddy, accusing her of disrespect and risk to a patient's life. Cuddy grants him authorization for diagnostics in exchange for his required attendance in the clinic." A little extraneous. It could be summed up to just the imporant pieces (House won't do clinic duty, Cuddy revokes MRI privileges, Cuddy gives back privies when House agrees to work the clinic.....although I'd expect complete sentences).
• This:"House, while working in the hospital's clinic, treats a ten-year-old boy whose mother allows him to use his asthmatic inhaler only intermittently, instead of daily, as her son's doctor prescribed. The mother's reasoning is that the idea of children "taking such strong medicine so frequently" bothers her greatly. House sarcastically scolds her for making such a drastic decision without first learning more about asthma." The specifics of the clinic are not important, other than that he gets an idea for steroids. House sarcastically scolding someone, or the mother's ignorance of inhalers is irrelevant for the purposes of an encyclopedia.
• This:"'...might account for Adler's symptoms—seizures; dysphasia; airway constriction; and positive, if transient, response to steroids." Reason why we have to list all the symptoms? Kind of makes it a substitution for watching the show, which is what we are supposed to avoid.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Article history

Why can I not view the version of the page before October 31, 2006? --thedemonhog talk • edits 05:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Because that was the day the article was created...or recreated. If it got deleted prior to this then it wouldn't have the history that happened then.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It may have to do with the deleted content from when it used to be a copyvio. The Filmaker 17:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Adler = Another Homes Connection?

Since 'House' has so many connections to Sherlock Holmes, should the possibility that Adler is a refernce to Irene Adler be mentioned? Or has it already been disproven, or? Ayries 14:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The information is already present in the article at the end of the Behind the Scenes section. The Filmaker 16:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)