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There was already an article about this at Chesapeake affair...I think this one should be merged with it, as "Chesapeake affair" is the more usual term (to me, anyway!). Adam Bishop 16:05, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Weird edit tags and something else

The tagging seems to be... off, with, for me at least, the "edit" button is in the middle of a line. My other complaint is that there seems to be a lot of missing links in the article... perhaps they should be removed or stubbed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.79.5 (talk) 02:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Frigate / ship of the line

Both the HMS Leopard and fourth-rate pages list leopard as a ship of the line rather than a frigate. Any sources either way? Captain Crush (talk) 13:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would contest the assertation that any 50-gun ship in that period was a true ship-of-the-line beyond the name. (Note that the 4th Rate article stipulates any ship of 46 or more guns is a ship-of-the-line) The Leopard would not have likely been in the main combat line of a battle fleet in that age. By the Napoleonic Wars, 64-gun ships-of-the-line were on their way out and were not typically used in fleet actions with other line ships because the 64-gunners were too small and weak. (The Africa at Trafalgar was a late arrival) I think it more accurate to classify the Leopard as a two-decked frigate or a heavy frigate rather than a ship-of-the-line. I understand the technicalities for calling her a ship-of-the-line, however. Auror (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In Aftermath, this article says Chesapeake was taken by HMS Shannon on May 20, 1813. US Navy history page [1] and other Wikipedia pages say it happened on June 1, 1813. The former date is when Capt Lawrence took command of the ship, not the day of the brief and decisive (for the Chesapeake) battle. Can the date be corrected?Prairieplant (talk) 08:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 Both the [[HMS Leopard]] and [[fourth-rate]] pages list leopard as a ship of the line rather than a frigate. Any sources either way? [[User:Captain Crush|Captain Crush]] ([[User talk:Captain Crush|talk]]) 13:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 :I would contest the assertation that any 50-gun ship in that period was a true ship-of-the-line beyond the name.  (Note that the 4th Rate article stipulates any ship of 46 or more guns is a ship-of-the-line)  The ''Leopard'' would not have likely been in the main combat line of a battle fleet in that age.  By the Napoleonic Wars, 64-gun ships-of-the-line were on their way out and were not typically used in fleet actions with other line ships because the 64-gunners were too small and weak.  (The ''Africa'' at Trafalgar was a late arrival) I think it more accurate to classify the ''Leopard'' as a two-decked frigate or a heavy frigate rather than a ship-of-the-line.  I understand the technicalities for calling her a ship-of-the-line, however.  [[User:Auror|Auror]] ([[User talk:Auror|talk]]) 17:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
+In Aftermath, this article says Chesapeake was taken by HMS Shannon on May 20, 1813.  US Navy history page [http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/war1812/atsea/ches-sn2.htm] and other Wikipedia pages say it happened on June 1, 1813.  The former date is when Capt Lawrence took command of the ship, not the day of the brief and decisive (for the Chesapeake) battle.  Can the date be corrected?[[User:Prairieplant|Prairieplant]] ([[User talk:Prairieplant|talk]]) 08:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)