Talk:Cadboro Bay

Descriptors for neighbouring communities

Please note that this article is about the Cadboro Bay neighbourhood, not a place to label neighbouring communities as "tony", or "exclusive". Such descriptors do not abide encyclopedic style, and should be removed. This is not an argument against what you choose to call them, nor a defence of the communities themselves, it's merely the style of this project. Perceptions and labels for communities, if used commonly enough, may be permitted on those articles pages, depending ultimately, on editorial agreement. Thanks--Keefer4 09:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

- Keefer4 - you've confused the neighbourhood with the nearby nunnery - please take a look at Queenswood Drive yourself and then you'll see why the word "secluded" is important. My impression is that you are from Vancouver and are not familiar with the area.

I am originally from Victoria and have lived on Cadboro Bay Road, actually. But that is quite immaterial, and your impression of me is not relevant to this. Nor is any impression of a neighbourhood relevant to the article. I don't live in the area anymore, but tell ya what.. I'm gonna be in Victoria this week, and if I am not able to easily find and walk up and down Queenswood Drive, like I have many times passing through Uplands for example, I will keep 'secluded' in the article, although that does kind of contravene the 'original research' aspect of Wikipedia! But I think a bit of elaboration on 'secluded' would be useful in this case if it is to be kept (ie: how is it 'secluded'? is it gated?). Otherwise it does come across as something someone might say to stereotype a neighbouring community. Not like I've never done that on a blog, but it's not something for an encyclopedia. I did study several maps prior to deleting the reference last time, as I don't make a habit of doing these things without at least a bit of good ol homework. It's nothing personal, it just needs a bit of explanation or reference. And yes, I did reference the nunnery in my previous edit, because I assumed that was why 'secluded' was included. Please sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~ Cheers and good day.--Keefer4 06:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

So I've done a bit more snooping, and I can see that obviously with some properties selling in the $10 million range, there is a clear element of 'upscale' to the area. And I can see from photos that the homes (at least some/most of them) are set back from the road and therefore secluded in and of themselves. I still disagree with the categorization of a neighbourhood as being "secluded" however. I look forward to my walk down Queenswood. Perhaps some re-wording is really all that is necessary here, ie: 'secluded homes' as opposed to 'secluded neighbourhoods'. Later.--Keefer4 09:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Keefer:

Good comments! I used to live in Victoria myself. Perhaps you should fill in the Wikipedia section on Queenswood after your walk because I see no one has done that yet and I've done enough research of my own here. Agree that Queenswood can be accessed by road fairly easily. I see that the word "secluded" isn't quite correct and maybe you can think of a better term. I used that word because so many of the homes appear so hidden and private. Also, I used the term because Queenswood as a neighbourhood itself is not nearly as well known as, for example, Uplands or even its neighbour, Ten Mile Point. Uplands seems very public and showy compared to Queenswood in that it almost invites tour buses and tourists to drive through and gape at the conspicuous displays of wealth. Queenswood residents, by contrast, don't look like they wish to advertise themselves and, in fact, on the contrary appear to want to keep their wealthy nature somewhat hidden from view which does not seem true in Uplands (they like their seclusion perhaps?). Interesting how different the mood can be in two wealthy, older areas even though both are in the same city. Have also a walk/drive down McAnally Road in nearby 10 Mile Point to Smuggler's Cove for a very similar but slightly different ambience/theme.

For some more perspective while in Vic and to add to your social-geographic research, you might have a drive through (that's the only efficient way to view that neighbourhood) Broadmead which was very carefully planned and anticipated to be the new rich area of Victoria by its developers (the Guinness Family of British Properties fame, in fact was the financial backing behind it) in the 1970's with the thought that it would supplant the older wealthy Victoria areas like Uplands and Queenswood as a home for the elite of Victoria (just as Uplands appears to have mainly supplanted Rockland - with some exceptions - where many of the big, old mansions were converted into apartment buildings). Do you think the developers of Broadmead succeeding in creating the "New Uplands"? Look forward to your observations and analysis!

Please also read my comments in the "discussion" part of Uplands. PS. I'm an amateur geography nut. signed 154.5.25.14154.5.25.14 07:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Victoria neighbourhoods Hi, Appreciate the input (and indeed, enlightenment) on both Uplands and Cadboro Bay. I am back in the Lower Mainland now, but a quick look at the Queenswood area led me to re-phrase the Cadboro Bay article describing Queenswood from "secluded neighbourhood" to "secluded homes". The Broadmead observation was interesting, as is the entire retrospective on how newer wealthy neighbourhoods supplant older ones. It's something I'll follow up on in the future. Cheers.--Keefer4 08:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Keefer4 - I think the topic of new versus older wealthy neighbourhoods is an interesting study -- in Vancouver, I believe the now high rise West End used to be occupied by large mansions until supplanted by Shaughnessy - Shaughnessy itself seems to have held on to its status.

By the way, my opinion is that the developers of Broadmead did not succeed in supplanting the older wealthy elite areas of Vic like Uplands although Broadmead is a very successful development - but you may have a different read than myself. I would be curious what your thoughts are after taking a look around.

In her haste to eliminate "blatant advertising", the last editor removed reference to the BEACH which is the most striking part of Cadboro Bay! I've put the BEACH BACK IN! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.167.129 (talk) 06:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone keeps wanting to keep references to the beach out. I've put it back again.

Merge Ten Mile Point

Ten Mile Point when I found it was a promotional-type article focussing on this "expesnive, exclusive" neighborhood, which really is only a development within Cadboro Bay; it doesn't seem to warrant special status as a neighubuoorhood unless designated as such by the municipality. The overwritten "rugged coastline" crap is so clearly promotional - I added the "Like anywhyere else on Vancouver Island" bit to make the point that it's like saying "the sky is blue". The merge could be worse - Broadmead-Suunymead arficle just got delted for being even more advertotirial in nature; this one's rescuable but I think only really relevant if part of a bona fide neighbourhood.....

• Support: I don't see the need for separate articles for a neighbourhood and a sub-neighbourhood, when other neighbourhoods in Saanich don't have articles.DigitalC (talk) 00:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)