User talk:24.14.35.45

Lupus

Hi, please note the history and effects of your changes to Lupus:

• Seal had lupus vulgaris, not SLE [1]
• UVA1 phototherapy was contested and removed [2]

Please discuss further additions like this on the lupus talk page (found here). Thanks, WLU (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have verified that Seal indeed has discoid LE, so I have put him back in the list.

Unless you can prove that UVA1 is used on a widespread basis, I shouldn't think that it needs to be discussed in the article. JFW | T@lk 02:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Given the amount of back and forth on the UVA1 info, a note on the talk page might save some legwork in the future. If the IP address changes this will be lost on the actual editor also. WLU (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Anthony,

I've replied a bit on my talk page, but I'll also reply here. I am not a doctor, and it doesn't really matter if I am. The issue is the attention and emphasis given to a particular block of text in an article; the relevant section of our policies and guidelines is WP:UNDUE, which discusses the amount of weight given to each topic. If an issue is used only by a small number of people, or only a small number of people discuss it, then providing a large amount of text (or if it's a tiny number of people, any text) would be placing undue weight on a minority aspect of the situation. The key issue becomes the ability to verify the attention given in a reliable source - if the use of UVA1 light is an uncommon, but still prevalent practice, it should be easy to show that doctors and scientists are aware of the practice by sourcing articles written in high-provile mainstream medical journals as well as scholarly books published by medical and university press publishers. Because SLE is a medical page, the standard of what a reliable source is, is higher than most (see WP:MEDRS for more details). The publisher of Lupus Underground is Hyde Park Media - this does not sound like a university press, it appears to be a news service ([3] and [4]), making it an unreliable source for medical articles.

[[User:Jfdwolff] is a doctor, and an administrator on wikipedia; I trust his judgement and his ability to adhere to wikipedia's policies, but mostly I trust his ability to evaluate and source information and the information's sources. Per WP:PROVEIT, the burden is on the editor seeking to add information that the information added is appropriate, sourced and reliable. For most articles a popular book would be adequate, but for medical articles it must be a medical book, published by an extremely reliable press that specializes in medicine, biology and other relevant fields. Unfortunately, a news service does not qualify. And indeed, if it is your own book you are sourcing, that does place you in a conflict of interest, in particular if the book is not respected or well known. If it is respected and well known, it should be easy to find other editors who lack a COI and are willing to add the book as a source. If you possess expertise in the area of lupus erythematosus, the best way to demonstrate this expertise is to source the appropriate peer-reviewed journal articles and expert books that demonstrate the mainstream and widespread nature of the information being added.

Thanks, WLU (talk) 16:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the info ... since Jfdwolff is an administer, i'll not fight city hall... frankly, his being a doctor is meaningless. i'll just wait until the treatment becomes more wide spread. 24.14.35.45 (talk)

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Lupus

I suggest you leave further messages about UVA-1 treatment in lupus on Talk:Systemic lupus erythematosus, as the discussion is purely on the treatment of that condition. JFW | T@lk 16:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

i won't be leaving any further messages about UVA1...perhaps Dr. McGrath will one day. 24.14.35.45 (talk)!

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Hi,

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(undent)Gosh this is a long discussion

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Thanks, WLU (talk) 18:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)