Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Operation Tractable

Operation Tractable

Nominator(s): Cam (Chat)

• Featured article candidates/Operation Tractable

This article concerns the Canadian half of the final offensive of the Battle of Normandy, from the capture of Falaise to the closing of the Falaise Pocket. Passed its GA on June 16, 2008 (followed by copyedits from User:EyeSerene and User:SGGH), passed its ACR 10 days later, underwent a peer review shortly after that. Minor copyediting for MoS and prose tightening have been ongoing throughout the last half week by myself. I believe that it meets the criteria for Featured Article. Esteemed Regards, Cam (Chat) 18:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
• What makes http://montormel.evl.pl/ (refs 11, 16, 20, 22, and 31) reliable?
  • Memorial Mont-Ormel is the memorial/museum/archives situated on Hill 262 commemorating the Polish 1st Armoured Division
• What makes http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-rod-nor-cam-e.htm reliable?
  • Juno-Beach Centre, the Canadian memorial/museum/archives in Corseilles-sur-Mer commemorating Canadian actions throughout the Battle of Normandy. Both are the official sites of museums on the conflict, I would think that that would make them reliable enough for usage. Regards, Cam (Chat) 23:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
• Otherwise, sources look good. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support
• By contrast, Polish casualty figures for Operation Tractable are known. In their movements against Chambois and Mont Ormel, the Poles put their losses at 325 killed, 1,002 wounded, and 114 missing.[31][14] Prior to the Chambois and Ormel actions on August 14–18, they lost a further 263 men.[23] This brings the total Polish toll for Operation Tractable at 1,704 casualties, of which 588 were fatal. -> Is there any non-Polish source for Polish casualties, to compare and contrast?

I do know for a fact that Roman Jarymowycz mentions them in "Tank Tactics". I do not, however, have the pg. # for the statistic on me at the moment. I'll take a look if I can find the book again. All the best, Cam (Chat) 23:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

• Good luck! JonCatalán^(Talk) 21:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Operation Tractable began at 1200 on August 14, with 800 Lancaster and Halifax bombers bombing German forces." Awkward sentence structure.
• Time inconsistencies: "Operation Tractable began at 1200" but "At 7 pm on August 20, 1944".
• "On morning of August 20"—Needs a the.
• "Composed of close to 20,000 men and 150 tanks before the campaign, it had been reduced to a mere 300 men and 10 tanks." "mere" sounds POV.
• "Prior to the Chambois and Ormel actions on August 14–18," "Prior to"-->Before, it's simpler.
• "a 20 minute ceasefire"—"20 minute" should be hyphenated.
• "Although the first day's progress was slower than planned, Operation Tractable resumed on August 15, with both armoured divisions pushing southeast towards the hills east of Falaise." Awkward.

Dabomb87 (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

All Fixed (I think). Cam (Chat) 01:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment

• Is the 2nd SS Panzer Corps the correct formation as 12th SS Panzer Division was part of the 1st SS Panzer Corps ? I can see where later in the article 2nd SS Panzer is correct with the details about DAS REICH etc.

• On August 16, the 2nd Canadian Infantry Division broke into Falaise itself, encountering minor opposition from Hitler Youth units

This should be changed to opposition from units of the 12 SS Panzer Division. The Hitler Youth did not take part in any fighting in Normandy. The division was made up of ex member of the HY, who had to be over 18 to join the Division like many of the 18 year olds in UK & US divisions of the time. [ref]Reynolds, Michael. (2007). Steel Inferno: I SS Panzer Corps in Normandy. Spellmount Books. ISBN 978-1-86227-410-5(will find the page number if required)[/ref]

Support If these points above can be clarified Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)