User talk:Aude

I will respond to messages here on my talk page, in order to keep conversations together. I may or may not respond to any rude comments. --Aude (talk) 22:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Building of the World Trade Center

		The Original Barnstar
		What a fantastic article at Building of the World Trade Center! — Rebelguys2 talk 02:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I just came here to agree, Building of the World Trade Center is a stellar example of a Featured Article...and it's incredibly well-referenced and illustrated...many congratulations. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 06:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the honor. Hopefully in due time, we can get the rest of the WTC articles organized and fully referenced. --Aude (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Further to this, any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, "impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict (defined as articles which relate to the events of September 11, broadly interpreted) if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process." The full remedy is located here.

For the Arbitration Committee, Anthøny 15:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Popcorn

Popcornmaker

Hear, hear! Little Aude hit nail on head! What is Wikipedia about? [1] Have very own popcornmaker! Scoot over on couch, watch the show, share popcorn with 'zilla and little 'shonen (don't give ArbCom any). bishzilla _ROARR!! 23:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC).

Mmmmm popcorn. Thanks! --Aude (talk) 12:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Significant changes from previously estabilished versions need to be discussed before being applyed

Hi Aude. As far as I know this kind of behaviour has never been accepted in the 9/11 pages: any significant change from estabilished versions must be discussed before being applied in order to check wheter there is consensus, and discussions should not be made by means of edit summaries, they must be made in the talk page. Don't you agree?--Pokipsy76 (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

POV pushing?

Dear Aude, In a 2008 arbitration case administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user working on articles concerning the September 11, 2001 attacks. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you.  — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 19:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Your actions have been noticed

My apologies, but your latest violations forced me to seek the remedy for your unacceptable behavior and disregard to the community, you may find it at the Administrators' noticeboard. Tachyonbursts (talk) 00:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Please consider joining the working group for the WMF DC Chapter

Please consider joining the working group for the WMF DC chapter. Since we have a very active and very community oriented DC/MD/VA area group of Wikipedians, it only makes sense to develop it as a chapter, especially given the recent changes to the Board of Trustees structure, giving chapters more of a vote. Hopefully we will be either the first or the second officially recognized US Chapter (WMF Pennsylvania is pending as well), and hopefully our efforts will benefit WMF Penn as well. Remember, it's a working group, and this is a wiki, so feel free to offer changes, make bold changes to the group, and discuss on the talk page! I hope to see you there, as well as Wikimeetup DC 4 if you're attending. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 16:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia meetup

As someone who may live or work near Washington D.C., you may be interested - if you've not heard already - about the meetup scheduled for Saturday, May 17th, at Union Station. For details, please see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4.

You are receiving this automated message because your userpage appears in Category:Wikipedians in the District of Columbia. Addbot (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

FA

Aude, first, let me thank you for your dedication to 9/11 articles and efforts to edit.

Second, I'm planning to put Flight 11 up for Featured Article status tonight. I just wanted your input on that. As an admin and editor of the article, how do you feel about the article's status? -- VegitaU (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty. I've activated my email address. -- VegitaU (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to start a new section, but I wanted your input on something. With Wikipedia being such a visible source, we can really make a statement with what we display. There are pictures of bodies found at the Pentagon found here and posting these could really open people's eyes. Especially those who say there were no bodies seen at the Pentagon. What do you think? Should we post these? -- VegitaU (talk) 15:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I realize that Wikipedia is not censored, but think maybe we should exercise some caution. I think pictures of debris would be better. For example, this picture shows a piece of debris that very clearly came from an American Airlines aircraft. That picture is in the public domain and usable here. There are plenty of other debris pictures and other photos that would be good. --Aude (talk) 18:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit

I made a first pass on AA11. I have not touched the crash or aftermath sections yet. Will get to those later this afternoon. --PTR (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Completed first pass copy edit. --PTR (talk) 21:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It's looking good with the new lead and all the work by User:Finetooth. Good luck on the FA. --PTR (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Peter Wall

Perhaps you missed the part where the editor removed the CSD tag. Which, as you of course know, is blockable if the editor persists. He removed it twice and I warned him appropriately. Have a nice day. Bstone (talk) 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

He removed it because the CSD tagging was inappropriate. Such templated warnings are also highly inappropriate to use against established users. Please don't do that again. --Aude (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The only inappropriate thing was this editor removing a legit CSD tag. He has been appropriately warned, per policy. From WP:CSD, "Any editor who is not the creator of a page may remove a speedy tag from it. The creator may not do this. A creator who disagrees with the speedy deletion should instead add [[hangon}} to the page, and explain the rationale on the page's discussion page." Thank you for your concern. I consider this the sum of our conversation. Bstone (talk) 14:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

What you quote is worded with terms like "may" and "should" and says nothing about blocking. Please use common sense. Such quick tagging (and retagging) of articles without giving editors a chance is the type of action that discourages good editors and can drive them away from the project. Ditto for using templated warnings. User:Jbmurray and User:Geo Swan are two of our best editors. Regards. --Aude (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Peter Wall

Hi. I tried to respond to your comments at FAC. There are now more wikilinks and the lead has been quite radically revised, in a way that is intended to set off better the article's emphases and strengths. And further thoughts you had would be most appreciated. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 08:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I will take a look over the weekend. I think the article has improved alot, but will see if I can offer any more suggestions. --Aude (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot approved: dabbing help needed

Hi there. Fritz bot has been approved at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/FritzpollBot for filling in a possible 1.8 million articles on settlements across the world. Now dabbing needs to be done for links which aren't sorted as the bot will bypass any blue links. and I need as many people as possible to help me with Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places to prepare for the bot. If you could tackle a page or two everything counts as it will be hard to do it alone. Thankyou ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Magnificent Job

		The Epic Barnstar
		With American Airlines Flight 11 a Featured Article, I just wanted to thank you for finding sources and being a major contributer and editor during the month-long promotion process.

Excellent work on your part! Cheers. --Aude (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Xiutwel and 9/11

Hey Aude, check out the section entitled hello on my talk page and inform me at User:Redmarkviolinist/Talkpage2 on how I dealt with the questions that Xiutwel asked me. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ ^{Drop me a line}_{Review Me!} 18:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

American Airlines Flight 77

Aude, were you planning to revisit Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/American Airlines Flight 77? Since you're an admin, I was wondering if you could look into Talk:The Pentagon#Article title; it looks to me like our article is mistitled, and belongs at Pentagon (building), but I'm hoping you know more about the actual name of the building. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Conspiracy teories

I don't like the way of inputing more realistic point of view into 'conspiracy teories' - all more educated Americans already know the truth. Other people live not aware as they under the influence of propaganda. What we gonna do with this? On which side we are? All English wikipedia supports untruly facts as one checks another. This makes the official version very stable. Will we need to wait until the history will show the real true? But TRUE will not be thanksgiving to wikipedia. I know this mechanisms much better as I'm a Polish and I lived in such system of selfchecking many years. But finally truth won in Poland. I you can do it Americans - if we were able do it in the past - you also can. Peace my men!!!

Astropata user talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astropata (talk • contribs) 22:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Georgetown, Washington, D.C.

Hi, Aude. The problem from March of the insistent editor persists. (To refresh your recollection check here and here.) Your last advice to me was simply to keep reverting his edits, but I am growing uncomfortable with doing it six or seven times in the space of a month -- after this length of time, that approach begins to seem almost as robotic and unhelpful as the underlying problem. I will continue to do that if in fact it is the best course but I wonder if there is something else I should be doing (also whether this requires a blunter approach). Thoughts, advice? JohnInDC (talk) 10:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

At this point, it's best to get an uninvolved admin to look at the situation. I suggest bringing the matter up at the administrators noticeboard for incidents - WP:ANI. Wikihw's contributions are not all bad, but his/her conduct is a problem that needs attention. --Aude (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll write something up. JohnInDC (talk) 16:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

It's here. I do mention your name. If you have a moment to comment on the entry, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 17:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

United Airlines Flight 93

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United Airlines Flight 93. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me know if there's anything else you want me to do about this or if it's good to go. -- Veggy (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the article is good. I'm double checking sources and details. Some details with the article may have to wait until I come back to the states and cross check with non-web sources (e.g. Without Precedent by Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton). Still the quality if the article is excellent and it should pass now. --Aude (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It'll be good to have you back. Hope you enjoyed hunting terrorists—or whatever it is you do. -- Veggy (talk) 22:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikimania2008: On linguistic issues and the Arabic Wikipedia

I was at your presentation yesterday. I just want to add couple of more points on the reasons behind why Egyptians don't write in Arabic wikipedia. 1st we noticed lately in other websites that when participants were writing in politics in English only few groups of people were interacting with them. But when they start writing in Arabic they get persecuted by gov. 2nd also Arabic people who can read English believe that the English content is more reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mustafaahmedhussien (talk • contribs) 00:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

POV tag

I hope you don't mind me asking, but why did you remove the POV tag, when the NPOV of the article is currently being disputed? Sennen goroshi (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Washington, D.C.

Thank you very much for the barnstar. It is greatly appreciated. And no worries about the FAC. Like I said, I am happy to respond to concerns with the article; I was definitely was expecting some questions and/or problems. The process hasn't been too bad, but I spent several months running it through several peer reviews, etc. to make sure the article wasn't missing anything! I definitely understand that all criticism is constructive. Thanks again. Best, epicAdam (talk) 21:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Picutre: Great wave off Kanagawa

Dear Aude,

this picture [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Great_Wave_off_Kanagawa.jpg ] was uploaded by you. I would like to know if you are the photographer as well? I would like to use the picture in a poster advertising a youth orchestra concert in Berlin/Germany. I am aware that the copyright of the painter has expired but I am not sure about the semi-commercial use of the photography. Can you help me?

Thanks, Robert.

The picture is not mine. Though, I believe it is in the public domain, thus you may use it. --Aude (talk) 17:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Invitation

Introducing WikiProject United States Government...
	Hello Aude, Are you interested in Politics, Law or the United States? Do you enjoy expanding, creating or maintaining articles relating to those subjects? Or do you enjoy the small stuff? Or maybe you like learning about the United States Congress or the Commander in Chief. Well, wait no longer, because we have a project for you! WikiProject United States Government is where all the cool Wikipedians who watch C-SPAN hang out! Join the project today and help us get it off the ground and flying. Thanks in advance, « Diligent Terrier Bot (talk) 21:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC) This message has been delivered by Diligent Terrier Bot on behalf of WikiProject United States Government. You have received it because you are a member of a related WikiProject or you have said you are interested in your userspace. Message written by Leonard^Bloom and Diligent Terrier.	Help us get the project off the ground and flying.

I worked on some articles about Supreme Court cases a while ago, but don't think I can add much or give much time to another wikiproject. And I don't live in the U.S. now. Regards --Aude (talk) 17:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

user

Hi I'm a user from the Catalan wikipedia (Viquipèdia Catalana) and I'm migrating my count in other wiquipedias and I have seen that nobody is using "Canals" in the english wikipedia but I can't migrate that name so it maybe somebody has create it and isn't using it... and I want know if any administrator can do anything.

Thanks, Canals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.33.217.40 (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Usurpation which allows users to take over usernames of unused accounts. --Aude (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! --Canals--81.33.217.40 (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Flight 77 Edit

I recently edited the Conspiracy Theories section of the Flight 77 article to include the "flyover theory" in the section, but it was reverted, citing "wikipedia is not a soapbox." That edit followed exactly the form and structure of the existing section, and included a link to interviews in the Library of Congress. Is it possible to add the "flyover theory" to the Conspiracy Theories section of the Flight 77 article? Facilitatetruth (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

August DC Meetup

Greetings! We're working out the details about the next DC Meetup sometime this month and would love your opinion. Please check it out at Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 5 and spread the word. Staeiou (talk) 18:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion about the next DC Meetup

Greetings! You are receiving this message because you said you wanted to be reminded about future DC meetups on Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_4. We are planning the next DC meetup in late August/early September at Wikipedia:Meetup/DC_5, and would love to have your input. Staeiou (talk) 15:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:CHICAGO

You have been not signed up as an active member of WP:CHICAGO, but you have made at least 25 edits to Chicago. If you consider yourself either an active or semi-active member of the project please sign up as such at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/members. Also, if you are a member, be aware of Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 3 and be advised that the project is now trying to keep all the project's WP:PR, WP:FAC, WP:FAR, WP:GAR, WP:GAC WP:FLC, WP:FLRC, WP:FTC, WP:FPOC, WP:FPC, and WP:AFD discussion pages in one location at the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Review page. Please help add any discussion you are aware of at this location.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Longitude question

Hi Aude, I have a question for WP:GEOGRAPHY which I am going to ask you directly. I'm going to ask also at the Geography talk page, please sit back and watch to see if anyone else responds there.

• Do you have any insight to add at this question on the Science Reference Desk? Thanks if you do, no problem if you don't. Do you know any other geo-interested editors who could help? I ask you because you are the first project member I found who appears active. Thanks!
• On a more general level, and not directed at you or your own particular wiki-project - have you lately tried asking a question at a wiki-project? Was it answered quickly? Do you watch the WP:GEO talk page closely? I ask this because I have become somewhat disillusioned at the wiki-project concept, to my mind they should be the first resort for questions. Often they are active and responsive. Equally often, inspection of the project talk page reveals echoing emptiness. From the overall view of the wiki, that disturbs me.
• And now I will post the same longitude question to WP:GEO as the experiment. Hopefully any other project members reading here first will note so if they respond there.

Thanks for your attention. I'd prefer to get that RefDesk question resolved above all else. Cheers! :) Franamax (talk) 03:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Editing Cairo/Alex for Wikitravel

Thanks for your edits to Alexandria on Wikitravel. As you're living in Egypt, a skilled Wikimaniac and a native speaker of English, would you be interested in signing up to edit the Cairo/Alex guide for Wikitravel Press? It's not a big job, just cleaning up any missed vandalism and adding in major changes that readers have missed once per month, and you'll get a royalty for any copies sold. Jpatokal (talk) 14:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you please contact me via e-mail. I would need an electronic copy (pdf?) to look at, as I remember there being some issues with the Arabic phrase book. I would like to see what needs to be done with it. Thanks. --Aude (talk) 15:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

You're invited...

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It was nice meeting you at the DC meetup. Cheers! bd2412 T 23:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Mohamed Atta

Dear Aude, you added <ref name="prospect"/> on Mohamed Atta. It was a mistake. Please see this diff: [2]. AdjustShift (talk) 18:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. New editors like me can learn many things from you. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I see I was partially wrong, while I defend images like the flight record and driver's license of Atta - you are right that the MSNBC footage of the tower burning is inappropriate use of FU. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 17:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the drivers license either. Actually his "mugshot" in the infobox is from his drivers license, so we are duplicating. I just don't know how much fair use we can get away with. This article is getting close to the point were it can be nominated for WP:FAC and they do scrutinize for fair use images. I say we have a choice between the flight record and the drivers license, and the flight record is more helpful in illustrating the article text. --Aude (talk) 17:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Great Map!

Just wanted to drop a line and say that your DC Homicide Map is awesome!

sohmc (talk) 15:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. --Aude (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Dstern1

I'm not sure whether that guy should get a second chance. He sounds earnest enough. What do you, as the blocking admin, think?  Sandstein  11:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

If he's willing to stay away from politics articles, including Sarah Palin, until after the election then an unblock would be okay with me. If he continues to cause problems, then we can reevaluate later. --Aude (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

After reviewing your comments and those of Dstern1, I have unblocked him. Tiptoety ^talk 03:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for following up on this. --Aude (talk) 00:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

9/11 Article

You told me you had added the times of the planes impacting but please refer to my commets on the 9/11 talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eenuuk (talk • contribs) 10:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Replied on the September 11 attacks talk page. --Aude (talk) 00:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Mohamed Atta

Dear Aude,

I've a question about Mohamed Atta. Atta was completing Master's degree in urban planning before he joined Al Qaeda. Did he completed his Master's?

Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 13:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

He finished and defended his thesis in August 1999. He was selected for the 9/11 plot when he went to Afghanistan at the end of 1999 and early 2000. But, he disappeared for periods of time prior in 1997 and 1998, so could have joined Al Qaeda earlier than 1999. --Aude (talk) 16:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. And you've done an amazing work on 9/11-related articles. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (154/3/2). I appreciate the community's trust in me, and I will do my best to be sure it won't regret handing me the mop. I am honored by your trust and your support. Again, thank you. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Khalid

Hey, thanks for taking the time to help clean up Khalid's article; I've always found him one of the most interesting of the hijackers (if you look back through history, Quadell and I wrote 95% of the articles on the 19 hijackers originally). I just wanted to give you a heads-up that it's difficult to track your diffs, so if you remove any information, I'd appreciate a tap; that way I can dig through my offline sources and see what I can find - my hard drive is filled with original PDFs, scans and the like -- so I might have a document you haven't seen, or a link that I never included as a ref. (The articles were "written" before the WMF ruling on references - so are under-reffed). Cheers, Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 01:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

What I'm removing are unreliable sources such as cooperative research, which also happen to be broken links. The sources need to be solidly reliable and high quality, with some news articles (though realizing they got some details wrong at first), government documents, books, etc. When I'm done going through the article, you should definitely look it over to see if you can add anything else. Also, feel free to add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject September 11. --Aude (talk) 02:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind your removing unreliable sources such as CR, but please leave the facts present with a {{fact}} tag - that way I know which statements are in need of verification. If you simply remove a claim that a hijacker visited Disneyland because of its CR reference, I won't know to look into the fact. Just use {{fact}} tags, it's all I ask ;) Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 04:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, I knew about Jarrah (but didn't consider his "unofficial" to count), but I don't think I knew about Omari; have a link/source for that? Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 07:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

For Omari, see here and here. Marwan al-Shehhi may also have been technically married, which was a forced and arranged marriage setup by his family. There was some ceremony for Shehhi when he visited his family in the UAE in 1999. Shehhi wasn't pleased with this. (there is a footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report, with the story reported in other news articles) --Aude (talk) 08:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

OGG

Any chance you could convert [this video to OGG so it could be included in the five relevant articles; rather than just the single screenshot? I think people would find it much more "interesting". Only trouble is copyright on a security camera film; I've seen arguments it doesn't exist since it lacks creativity, but we may be pushing a grey line. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 02:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I can most likely convert it to OGG. I think it's possible we could include a brief clip (not the whole thing) and be okay under fair use, not 100% sure and suggest we ask someone more knowledgeable about fair use. (e.g. User:Durova) Some other possible drawbacks are that the video player used in Wikipedia doesn't work for everyone (including me, for some reason). Also, I'm not sure how large the file(s) would be, but I know there is an upload limit for file size. So, I'm not sure about this, but can still try converting the video and see if it can work on Wikipedia. --Aude (talk) 03:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm converting it to a flash video now, which is more compatible for me to view. Will then do ogg. --Aude (talk) 03:52, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Haha, a perfect opportunity for loopholes then; it's an 8 minute film, by simply playing the 85-clip that includes the hijackers, we're clearly meeting FU criteria ;) Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 04:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this isn't as straightforward as I thought, so I won't have anything right away. I try in the next day or so. --Aude (talk) 05:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Aww, you speak Arabic - you may become my new favourite WP person to harrass for collaboration :D Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 22:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I was hoping to find more details about Mihdhar from Arabic sources, but no luck so far. I'm also not having much luck with the Dulles video. I have it as a .flv file which is much more compact but my software doesn't do ogg. So, I need to install additional software. Anyway, I'm thinking a better venue for the video clip may be another site, which I can do, and then link to it. Everyone can see the still image, and those interested can see the video. I do believe the video falls under fair use, since the use involves critical commentary of the video. --Aude (talk) 02:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The critical commentary was added by the courts though, not by a private website; so it would be under similar PD/Copyright to the video itself. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 18:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

If you use copyrighted video footage for purposes of critical commentary, then it's permissible under fair use. That's exactly the purpose of using the video, and thus why I believe it would be perfectly okay to post the video somewhere. Though, Wikipedia is more strict about fair use than what copyright laws specify. I posted a note on the FAC page saying that a short video clip might be better than a still image, but still not sure if video clips are permissible. --Aude (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The video is posted outside of Wikipedia. [3] If permissible, I could post some portion of this to Wikipedia, but don't see any precedent for posting fair use video clips. --Aude (talk) 02:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

September 11 attacks

Dear Aude, I believe that the "See also" section on our September 11 attacks article is unnecessary. You've made more edits to our 9/11 article that any other person in this planet. :-) I'm curious to know your thoughts on this matter. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I think most of the links are not needed, but suggest posting a note on Talk:September 11 attacks and see what people think. The purpose of the "See also" is detailed in WP:LAYOUT. --Aude (talk) 18:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I've already posted a note on Talk:September 11 attacks. Since you are the No. 1 contributor, your comment will be critical. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 19:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Now Nawaf

A few questions, since I'm glad to see attention being paid to cleaning these up. Often the "information" is there, but it's uncited, poorly worded, confusing or given undue weight.

• The al-Hazmis (and Ghamdis?), should we use "al-Hazmi then rented..." in the article, or "Salem then rented..."?
• I'm going to be very liberal in adding {{fact}} tags, please don't remove any of the statements, these are just there so I (and you) can see what needs to be confirmed. If one of us can't find any proper citation, drop a note on the talk page and the other person can have a try at finding that information.
• I'm of the opinion we should remove the "External links" link to the 9/11 Commission in each article, it's already extensively linked through the references. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 05:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I say leave everything there as-is, with no fact tags needed. I'm going through everything, doing searches for sources including Lexis-Nexis for news articles that are no longer online. If after searching for sources, I can't find anything then I can move statements to the talk page. Does that work, so you know what's been removed and we can keep looking for sources? --Aude (talk) 05:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

For the external links, let's leave the link there for now. While it's okay to have no external links, it's unusual and people might find it a little odd. I'll think about what else to put in external links that might be better than the 9/11 Commission. --Aude (talk) 05:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

• • While I disagree with external links (I prefer mnimalist on the "extras", heavy on the facts), moving unreferenced facts to the talk page seems like an easy solution, thanks. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 06:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

September 11th Project

You should know that I messed around with the categories in order to get the importance categories working. I then unintentionally screwed up every other category and I know that you'll notice it and tell me so I figured i'd tell you first. I would stay up and fix it tonight but I don't feel all that well so i'll look at it tomorrow and fix it. Sorry for messing up the categories but I think that the automatic update might be slow when concerning the templates. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)