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The Beginning

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Barack Obama. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thegoodlocust. I think you may have misinterpreted something that Grsz did. When you wrote a long multi-paragraph reply, he replied to each paragraph in turn instead of replying in a block. People do that sometimes here. Then he realized that he hadn't signed each paragraph, so it might be unclear to other readers who was saying what. That's why he added his signature — unfortunately, he mistakenly added his signature to one paragraph that was yours instead of his. In the interest of maintaining civil discussion, it might be good if you were to restore his comments, either where they were (in response to yours) or as a separate block, after your long comment. Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind — I see that he restored the comments while I was writing the above. I've removed his stray signature from your text, though. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it seemed really off for him to do that, and without inserting my own signature, it looks quite confusing. Initially, when he did it, he didn't sign all his statements, and made it look like things had been attributed to myself that I had not written. Additionally, I didn't like how he was deleting my own text, specifically, I told him not to modify my own comment.

I just don't understand why he couldn't reply in one single comment, rather than uselessly parsing everything. Also, keep in mind, he attacked me first with his ad hominem attacks about me being a new user and therefore, supposedly, devaluing my input. Thegoodlocust (talk) 06:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's some truth there, but I'm afraid that "he started it!" isn't an acceptable defense outside of elementary school. (You'll notice that I removed some comments of his as well as yours when the two of you strayed further into personal attack territory.) Grsz was failing to assume good faith, and biting a new user — and I was probably too soft in dealing with that. But that doesn't excuse you calling his character into question. Let's just try to focus on the article, instead of each other. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like there were short fuses on both sides there, and a few little misunderstandings erupted into something disproportionate. If you don't mind, I'm going to remove the last section of the talk page — would you prefer to have it kept here, or is it OK if it just remains in the talk page's history? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to remove it, I'm honestly surprised the minor edits I suggested were so hostility received. There are much more relevant, but controversial things I'd like to see added to the article that go beyond mere phrasing. Thegoodlocust (talk) 07:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the well at that article has been poisoned by a steady stream of trolls and sockpuppets, so the long-time editors are too ready to jump on any new face. (Did you notice the joker earlier tonight who asked why the article didn't have Obama's name in Arabic?) I'm not excusing Grsz's hostility, just letting you know that there's a context to it. (Of course, that's what Obama said in his speech, and that hasn't satisfied his most vocal critics either...) :-)

There are also a couple of long-lasting, more major disputes going on on that talk page (specifically, how much space the article should give to Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko, and how to express various rankings of Obama's record in the Senate on the political spectrum). You're welcome to join those discussions too, if you're feeling up to it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. I hope all is well. It's very hard to explain this edit as a result of user error. If my analysis is mistaken, please forgive me, but as you note this is a highly volatile topic (IMHO) in which editors must be very careful in discussion and project pages. John J. Bulten (talk) 19:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

The edit summary associated with this edit is inappropriate. Edit summaries are intended to summarize either the content or editorial intent of the edit. While using edit summaries is strongly encouraged, please refrain from using edit summaries which are nonsense, misleading, non-descriptive of your edit or uncivil toward other users. Please keep in mind that I found nothing wrong with the edit itself. I am just reminding you of the appropriate use of edit summaries. LaMenta3 (talk) 21:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was a joke, sort of, my dog needed to pee as I was finishing up and so I wrote that in quickly so I could finish posting (I'd turned on the edit reminder) - it seemed faster to type that in than click, wait for it to reload and tell me to make an edit summary and the click save again. TheGoodLocust (talk) 21:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It made me chuckle. Just go to My Preferences, click on the editing tab and uncheck the box that says "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary". That way you don't even have to put an edit summary for talk page edits. Hope that helps. --Ubiq (talk) 22:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I did, I just wanted a reminder about it since I'm fairly new and I'd just read about it somewhere. TheGoodLocust (talk) 23:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:3RR Warning

Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Obama FAR

Hi there, I am just writing to inform you that we have apparently been conducting the Barack Obama FAR incorrectly. Your vote of "keep" or "remove" should be struck out and reinserted when the nomination moves into FARC (per the directions at WP:FAR). I was just notified of this myself; please see the bottom of the FAR page for more. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TheGoodLocust, the proper statement in the featured Article Review is "Close and move to FARC." The term "FARC" represents "Featured Article Removal candidate." In my opinion, attempting to improve the article is useless because there are too many people who like the hagiography just the way it is. Kossack4Truth (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for the suggestions. I'll go look at it later though since it looks like there is another false attempt at getting me blocked. TheGoodLocust (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hi

look at my post. if you agree, feel free to use the source. 116.12.165.227 (talk) 04:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABarack_Obama&diff=203674181&oldid=203673852

Thanks

For your passion and your tenacity in editing Wikipedia. Please assume good faith on the part of other editors. Edison (talk) 05:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A suggestion

A lot of the content you're adding to the State legislature section really should be included in the article, or at least in the new sub-article, but the problem seems to be with how you are wording your additions. In this edit[1], your wording is implying that it was Obama's legal challenges that created the division, when the source seems to implying that Obama's decision to stay in the race is what caused the division, not the legal challenges. Also, if you had continued to read the source, you would have found on the fourth and fifth pages that such legal challenges are common in Chicago and that the other candidates had actually made several critical mistakes in collecting their signatures (namely using old voting records to validate, not having enough time to actually do the validation properly, and getting swindled by their paid signature gatherers). There doesn't seem to be any wrong doing in what Obama did, but the way in which you worded it does imply that Obama did something wrong by challenging the signatures. Of course, that doesn't mean what you added shouldn't be in the article, just that the wording is troublesome and that if it had been worded in a more neutral fashion and included some explanation beyond just the negative aspects, it probably would have been more palatable to the other editors on the article. The big thing to remember is that while NPOV does say we should include things that are positive and negative of the article's subject, it also says that the wording that we use should be neutral as well. My suggestion is that you try to include both sides of the argument and try to make the wording a bit more neutral. If you do that, chances are you'll improve the likelihood of what you're adding staying in the article unmodified. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 06:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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New version of Wright paragraph

I've worked on a new version of the Wright paragraph in Barack Obama, and I'd be interested in your thoughts at Talk:Barack Obama#New attempt by Josiah. Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Mccurley

I ask that you create a hyper link for Digicrime.com, which is at Kevin Mccurley. Thank you. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mispelling

I spelled Kevin Mccurley wrong. Just look it up in the search box to get the right spelling. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Answer

To make a hyperlink in the article of Kevin Mccurley. To make the hyperlink for Digicrime.com Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reason

I want you to do it because I don't know how. Make the hyperlink connect to www.digicrime.com. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WD

What? You think I'm going to get "in trouble" for swearing? Grsz ^X 05:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 2008

I have already cautioned you about avoiding personal attacks, civility, assuming good faith, and article probation on the Barack Obama pages. This edit[2] is abusive. Please desist at once - if you continue an administrator reviewing your edits may block you from further editing the encyclopedia, or ban you from the affected article pages, in order to prevent further disruption. I will provide a templated article probation notice, below. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 05:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed, Talk:Barack Obama, is on article probation. A detailed description of the terms of article probation may be found at Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. Also note that the terms of some article probations extend to related articles and their associated talk pages.

The above is a templated message. Please accept it as a routine friendly notice, not as a claim that there is any problem with your edits. Thank you.

Palin

You've been gone for awhile, I would suggest reading the archives before editing. The Bridges section has been discussed again and again and again. Going in slicing and dicing isn't going to help and will just be reverted. Grsz ^X 21:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please watch your language on talk pages. "Bullshit" is not appropriate language for Wikipedia and could result in your being reported if such language continues on this encylopedia. Thanks! 45Factoid44 (talk) 23:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3RR Warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Barack Obama. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Brothejr (talk) 02:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to be an admin to warn people. ~~I am an admin, and I will block you if you revert again.~~ J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 02:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first time was not a revert - I changed the source since the other guy didn't like the source. I did however revert it after that since he flat out deleted it without giving a single reason why. Where is your warning to him? TheGoodLocust (talk) 02:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, and I am sorry for not paying closer attention. I am happy to see that you have started to talk it out. Again, I apologize for my erroneous warning. J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disruption

Stop now - if you continue disrupting the encyclopedia, as you are doing at Talk:Barack Obama and Barack Obama, an administrator may block or ban you from further editing. Wikidemon (talk) 03:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And do not troll my talk page.[3] Wikidemon (talk) 03:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New AN/I posting

I posted an AN/I request here regarding those three if you wish to contribute. I'm sorry you're being ganged up on like that. It isn't right. Digital^Ninja 03:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

96 hours. Please read WP:TE (not to mention WP:FRINGE, WP:BLP and WP:TALK) and review your own editing in the light of these guidelines and policies. Moreschi (talk) 20:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very classy - I guess I know where your political affiliations lie since, not only didn't you give me a warning, but you haven't done jack to deal with the other editors who're suppressing perfectly valid and sourced information in that article. TheGoodLocust (talk) 20:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think Obama's manifesto is pretty lousy and Palin's ass is awesome. I'm English so pretty apathetic anyway. Nope, no conspiracy, you're just disruptive. Please accept that reality and then alter it by modifying your appalling conduct. Moreschi (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have anything specific in mind or are you just declaring your neutrality?TheGoodLocust (talk) 20:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Very classy - I guess I know where your political affiliations lie since, not only didn't you give me a warning, but you haven't done jack to deal with the other editors who're suppressing perfectly valid and sourced information in that article. [[User:Thegoodlocust|TheGoodLocust]] ([[User talk:Thegoodlocust#top|talk]]) 20:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 ::Actually, I think Obama's manifesto is pretty lousy and Palin's ass is awesome. I'm English so pretty apathetic anyway. Nope, no conspiracy, you're just disruptive. Please accept that reality and then alter it by modifying your appalling conduct. [[User:Moreschi|Moreschi]] ([[User talk:Moreschi|talk]]) 20:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
+:::Did you have anything specific in mind or are you just declaring your neutrality?[[User:Thegoodlocust|TheGoodLocust]] ([[User talk:Thegoodlocust#top|talk]]) 20:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)