Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion no drafts
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Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

• Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
• Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
• Pages in the File namespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
• Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}}. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?	Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
• Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
• Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
• Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
• Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process. I. Edit PageName: Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion: {{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}} for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}} or {{mfd|GroupName}} if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page. If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox. Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages. Please include in the edit summary the phrase Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion. Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit. Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone. Save the page II. Create its MfD subpage. The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry" Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page. Insert this text: {{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically. Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate. Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done. Save the page. III. Add a line to MfD. Follow   this edit link   and at the top of the list add a line: {{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}} Put the page's name in place of "PageName". Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. Save the page. If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add {{priorxfd|PageName}} in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions. If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page. For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add {{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~ to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion. If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages. If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

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2008-10-08

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The result of the debate was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 08:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Rindler coordinates/Old

This archived version of an article has not been touched since December 2006. The user who transfered it over stated this in the main article's talk page. The edit claims that there are factual errors in the old version which resulted in a need for the complete re-write. I have added a notiation on the talk page of the current article to advise them of this nomination. I did consider that this should go to AfD, but this is not truly an article in the true meaning -- this is an archived version.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Falls into Wikipedia:Subpages#Disallowed_uses. -- Suntag ☼ 09:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. This is a routine maintenance/cleanup. Is a copy (4 May 2006) of the article immediately before a rewrite. Was not used as workspace. Contrary to the edit history summaries, it was created by copy-paste, not by moving. There are no GFDL concerns with deleting the history. An equivalent archive is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rindler_coordinates&direction=prev&oldid=51598363 --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per SmokeyJoe. Seddσn ^{talk Editor Review} 21:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, but MFD is a wrong forum for this discussion, because the page is in the main space. The simplest way to go would have been to {{prod}} it. Ruslik (talk) 13:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. bibliomaniac15 01:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Ublinskykh

Somebodys CV, no evidence or even suggestion of any notability that could let it stand as an article Jac16888 (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. CVs are a nono. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 04:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Jordan ^Contribs 10:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete No need to be hosting this •CHILLDOUBT• 10:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, no other edits. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Content not meeting WP:User last edited 21 January 2008 by Ublinskykh seems ripe for deletion. -- Suntag ☼ 16:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. User is using wikipedia solely to host and update his CV. Should have blanked the CV before bringing it here. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No consensus to delete, some editors expressed they found list useful from an editorial standpoint. If Sjorfold decides he does want the page deleted at some point, he may tag it as G7/delete it. Lazulilasher (talk) 15:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Sjorford/List of people who died before the age of 30

The user subpage has not been edited since 24 January 2008. The page has become an indefinitely archive of a preferred version of disputed content, previously deleted content, or permanent content that is meant to be part of the encyclopedia. -- Suntag ☼ 15:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Jordan ^Contribs 17:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Lists don't have the same concerns as articles when they are userfied. They can be an arbitrary list for the editor to work on, for example. -- Ned Scott 01:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Lists on user pages still have to be worked on to prevent them from becoming archived or permanent content. -- Suntag ☼ 09:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• I've said below I intend to work on this. Am I allowed to take a copy? Carcharoth (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Lists don't have to be worked on. In the past I've seen lists moved to userpages or WikiProject subpages for editors to have a list of stuff to work on because the list was useful from an editorial standpoint. -- Ned Scott 06:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - what is the difference between this list and User:Sebwite/30? I'm currently involved in the DRV over the 'death by age' categories that Sebwite suggested/started (I think he did that), see here, and I have created User:Carcharoth/People who died aged XX and Wikipedia:Biographical metadata. I'm also confused as to why List of people who died in their thirties has not been nominated for deletion yet. I personally would like to see the userspace versions kept, as they have some entries not accessible via the page I set up (the one I mentioned above). One list I want to set up will cover our articles on children who die while they are still children, or rather specific subsets of that. In particular, royals who die in childhood. Carcharoth (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  • As to why List of people who died in their thirties has not been nominated for deletion, you may want to ask Hersfold (the nominator from this AFD and who was in favor of the 'death by age' categories incidentally). --Pixelface (talk) 04:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • User:Sebwite/30 was last edited 23 September 2008 and Sjorford's was last edited 24 January 2008. The passage of time without effort to improve such content can turn a user subpage from a sandbox that may be utilized by an editor into archive/permanent content to be deleted at MfD in violation of WP:User and WP:SUBPAGE. There is no evidence of this user subpage list being used by Sjorford for anything other than for the reasons I listed in the nomination. -- Suntag ☼ 00:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
    • The length of time is becoming long, but I don’t think you should be asserting that Sjorford is using the page as an indefinitely archived version of a preferred version. Assuming good faith, I would say the he intended to do something productive with it. I think it is a worthy idea, and something should be made of it, in the interests of improving accessibility. Perhaps an automated list/category. I don’t know. I don’t see any harm in keeping it in userspace. I’d prefer to see it merely blanked, so it is easily accessed by anyone. If deleted, I think we’ll all agree that it could be re-userfied on request. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This is material useful for improving the encyclopedia. There are no time limits. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
  • It does no harm. We should not harass infrequent contributors during their breaks. Did the nominator email the user? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
• If it helps any, I don't particularly care either way — I did create it intending to completely rewrite with it (I did one bulk reformatting and then lost interest). I'm unlikely to do anything with it in the near future, but I haven't bothered to delete it either as I though somebody else might find it useful. I had no idea the mainspace page had been deleted (something I'm not sure I agree with, but I don't care enough to question). So to sum up: whatever. — sjorford++ 15:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Userfy to User:JustbeBPMF/Preview before post Tikiwont (talk) 08:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help Desk/Preview before post

Appears to be a test page. TN‑X-Man 15:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Not necessarily; somebody whose command of English is not strong, seems to be trying to make a point about different styles of editing and the "create title, then edit" type of new article that so often gets deleted (but in the totally wrong place, I think). --Orange Mike | Talk 15:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Userfy - -- Suntag ☼ 09:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• It may be a another way to ask the questions, then add JustbeBPMF (talk) 20:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Userfy. Essentially is a single author essay. Compare with Wikipedia:Editcountitis --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was seems sensible to delete this ASAP - call it snowball, call it IAR or rouge admin... I call it protection of a 10-year-old Grutness...wha? 23:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Tiffany (movie studio)

The only content on this talk page is a post in which somebody gives their name and states that they are 10 years of age. -- Bwrs (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Addendum to nomination: I see this talk page has since been blanked. Deletion is probably superior to blanking because courtesy-blanked content is still visible in the page history. Bwrs (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - No reason to keep the name and age around of someone so young. -- Suntag ☼ 10:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. The talk page would otherwise be blank, so no real reason to go through the hoops to oversight the info out. --UsaSatsui (talk) 19:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. It doesn't really matter. There is no serious information disclosed here. Blanking would have been sufficient. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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2008-10-07

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The result of the debate was Keep. An evaluation of the below discussion does not suggest to me that there is a consensus in support of deleting or moving to inactive this project, and indeed, I'm not sure the nominator's rationale is a sound one (specifically: that a user has made troublesome edits does not devalue the contribution under consideration—ie., WikiProject VVMAP).

Having said all of this, the projet does need some serious fine-tuning, and it may be worth considering whether it is a worthwhile venture, and whether our time can be better spent improving the encyclopedia in other ways. Ultimately, time will tell, of course: if the project is not a great idea, activity will be minimal, and it'll slip away.

But no, there is a consensus against deletion here; by default, the result is Keep. Anthøny (talk) 00:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject VVMAP

Rather fishy looking WikiProject, created by a user who's made some troublesome edits in the past. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 23:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Fishy edits?--Cooljuno411 (talk) 02:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete You want users to upload the videos to You Tube and then link them? That's a copy-vio. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 23:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

No, you don't get the purpose, the project is designed for users to upload THEIR videos they made themselves to YouTube as well as wikipedia. The purpose is so people can easily use the videos in other places, and not just exclusively wikipeida, especially with wikipedias very rare perfered video file, .ogv. People that contribute to the project are uplaoding their user created content, they are not just pulling things off of youtube. The projects main goal to expand the currently very limited selection of videos on Wikipedia and as well make in easy for users to use video for educational purposes off of Wikipedia. This website i made for a class project is a great example of what i mean by "off-site educational use" Raver class project, navigate through the pages and you will find how we used video multi-media for educational purposes. See the article San Diego Trolley for an example of how a video of a page.--Cooljuno411 (talk) 00:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

When you upload the videos to youtube they become copyrighted. Thus causing a problem here on wiki. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 01:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

No, i can upload a video to the Wikimedia commons aswell as YouTube, there is no where on YouTube that says once you upload a video to YouTube you can never upload or use the video anywhere else, you are sadly mistaken. People upload their videos to personal blogs, websites, etc. and well as YouTube all the time, C-SPAN, a cable channel, uplaods their videos on their site as-well as youtube. Please try re-reading what i said, i don't think you understand the concept.--Cooljuno411 (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you know what copyright means, and how it affects wikipedia. When a something is copyrighted it is owned by the copyright owner. On Wikipedia we take copyright seriously. We something is copyrighted on another site we cannot have it here. This is for legal reasons. All videos on YouTube are copyrighted. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 01:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The question is not if I understand copyright's, yeah i clearly get that, it's you who is not understanding the concept of how this project works. Go to the project page, see the video with the red trolley?, i made that video myself. I, being the creator and owner to the rights of that video uploaded it to the wikimedia commons as well as youtube. There is no issue, i am assuming you think the project just takes videos that are found on YouTuve and re uploads them here, no, that is false, the creators of the video uploads the video themselves to both YouTube and Wikmedia, that is not a copyright violation.--Cooljuno411 (talk) 02:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, see comment i left above.--Cooljuno411 (talk) 00:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I don't see anything fishy, and there is no copyvio issue here. -- Ned Scott 03:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I think it's a great idea and I am kind of offended that someone would actually nominate this great idea for deletion.--216.115.235.50 (talk) 03:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

No very strong reason to delete, no strong reason to keep:

• While I don’t see anything good in this project, it does not seem to violate YouTube’s Terms (6.1/E/ii of the Russian version, since YouTube won’t let me see the English version). That is, if Cooljuno filmed the movie of the tram on his own.
• By uploading a video to YouTube, you give it a nonexclusive license on the video (Terms:10).
• Proprietary patented formats are by no means better for Commons than open free formats. People should learn to use free formats, not use proprietary software to view illustrations of a free encyclopedia.
• YouTube prohibits downloading videos from it, it only allows streaming.
• The only, very little because of the above, good would be traffic distribution. Also, it is better if people upload files to Commons and YouTube, than if they upload there files only to YouTube.
• So, very very weak conditional keep: require a prominent link to Commons in the YouTube descriptions, probably with a format and downloadability mention. None of these conditions is satisfied in the first video of the project.
  • Also, requiring a certain free license is not very good; that paragraph should be clarified as to whether other licenses are allowed to be added.

--AVRS (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. While I do not see anything “fishy” about the WikiProject, some stuff on YouTube is taken from other, copyrighted sources, for which reason linking to YouTube is strongly discouraged by policy. Monitoring to make sure that only original videos are used will create a lot of work for a lot of people, unless we have actual administrators (that is, users who are trusted by the community) who are willing to commit to this. Bwrs (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

People are uploading their own content, as i said above, this project is not taking thing found on YouTube, user upload the files that THEY made, i recommend you reread the project page, because it appears you are miss informed. The project aims for users to dual uploads video to Wikipedia as well as YouTube, to allow easier use of media. The .ogv video format that wikipedia uses is a very rare format, for me to convert a video i had to download special terminal commands for my mac, i could not find any program that allows me to view or create this very odd file format. This projects goal is to make it easy to use videos found on Wikipedia, and aswell promote greater use of video files on wikipedia.--Cooljuno411 (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - If you look at WikiProject Images and Media lineage, you will see that WikiProject Animated Wikipedia works to distribute Wikipedia stored animated video in Wikipedia. However, there is no WikiProject dedicated to creating/improvement or acquiring animated video. WikiProject VVMAP seems to fill that need. I would change the name to something apparent from the name itself. Also, you should run the WikiProject past Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals.-- Suntag ☼ 10:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Change, rename and Move. It needs to be changed to a proposal, renamed to Wikiproject:Video, and moved onto Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. If there's agreement to start the project, this page can be recreated. I don't understand the inclusion of youtube here. We link to youtube from articles sometimes, but not often, and only when there's no free equivalent. We're trying to build a repository of free-content material. Encouraging people to upload video to commons is a fine thing, but encouraging them to upload to youtube as well is beyond our scope. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 14:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Proposals are not required for a WikiProject to start, they're just one way to see if there is interest in an idea for one. -- Ned Scott 06:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:EL prohibits the majority of links to Youtube. Stifle (talk) 11:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

False. --Cooljuno411 (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

False? I don't think so. Perhaps looking at WP:EL might of prevented that comment. It clearly states YouTube linking in the guildline, what's false about that? Clarify your accusation Cooljuno411, or don't bother even making a statement like that. — Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Page over 6 months old, no edits, consensus to delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Lazulilasher (talk) 03:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Mack-the-random/WTF? (webseries)

Non-notable webseries, page is being used as a host for non-encyclopedic content Jac16888 (talk) 20:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

• It isn't a sandbox to work on a legitimate article, and is therefore just being a host to that content. So the page should be deleted. seresin ( ¡? )  21:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No evidence of notability = no chances that this becomes an article one day. Also, if it becomes an article then almost nothing from this page will be salvageable. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Jordan ^Contribs 12:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete The last edit was 23 March 2008, so content seems to have become permanent or archive of material. -- Suntag ☼ 10:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Blank and Keep. Userpage has been blanked with notice left on user page and user's talk. Lazulilasher (talk) 03:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Onepartha

Wikipedia is not a free webhost. User's only contribution is to post a detailed CV to user page. -- Peacock (talk) 12:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep and Blank I have change my opinion. I agree with Jordan 1972. Jordan ^Contribs 17:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Blank - the user just opened the account Sept 19th, how about welcoming and pointing out on the talk page why it does not meet WP:UP. Lets not bite. I know that blanking has the basic same effect as deletion on the surface, but it saves everyone's time by not having to list it here and having an admin process the deletion. It also has the presumed benefit of actually engaging the new user with an explanation of why the user page was deleted. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 17:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - The page was last edited 19 September 2008, so it may be a little early to delete it. Perhaps give the user to 19 December 2008 (three months) to change it. Also, was there any attempt to email the user to see if the would revise the page? -- Suntag ☼ 10:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, no other edits. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep. No clear consensus to delete. Lazulilasher (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:TRTX/RB

This page looks as if it is advertising Rock Band. What do you think?. Mythdon (talk) 11:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

This page, as well as User:TRTX/GH3 have been used for sandboxing for quite some time. A look at my user page as well as the history and What Links Here? would have made that obvious. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I still don't believe those pages should exist. They are advertisements in your userspace. If your going to have a sandbox, I think it would be best not to include advertisements. Mythdon (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Mythdon, could you please demonstrate how this is advertising? As I pointed out in my response, this is a sandbox article that has been used on several occasions to assist in redesigns for List of songs in Rock Band and List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Note: The current content of the page in question was created as a sandbox item and then moved to List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series/Exported setlists once completed, as is allowed under WP:User#SUB. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as per WP:UP and WP:SOAP. Jordan ^Contribs 17:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I'm not sure what the issue here is, but it's not a case of spam. -- Ned Scott 03:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I know the goal on Wiki is to generally assume good faith, but I seem to a recall a bit of a "history" between Mythdon and myself. I've been able to dig up what I have available here: See threads beginning with "No they were not". I find it highly suspect that of all the editors and subpages out there that it would be this user and my subpage. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

You should fix that link. It is actually User talk:TRTX/Archive 1#No they were not!. Mythdon (talk) 16:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep The page was last edited before the MfD nomination on 1 October 2008 by TRTX. It appears that TRTX still needs it as a sandbox. -- Suntag ☼ 10:22, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete Tikiwont (talk) 07:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Webgroup

Seems to violate WP:NOTWEBHOST. haz (talk) 20:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, not a web host. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 10:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Violation of policy relating to WP:UP and WP:NOT. Jordan ^Contribs 17:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: Wikipedia is not your free web host. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 20:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Content not meeting WP:User not edited by Webgroup on 11 March 2008 seems ripe for deletion. -- Suntag ☼ 16:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete Tikiwont (talk) 07:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:EmilyJRoberts

Violates WP:UP#NOT/WP:NOTMYSPACE as a MySpace-like user page with no Wikipedia-related content. haz (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, we're not myspace. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 10:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Violation of policy, as per WP:NOT. Jordan ^Contribs 17:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete Tikiwont (talk) 07:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Pinkyman404

Violation of WP:UP#NOT and/or WP:NOTWEBHOST as userpage entirely concerned with off-wiki activities, containing promotional external link. haz (talk) 14:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, not a web host. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 10:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Delete as per WP:NOT, particularly WP:SOAP. Jordan ^Contribs 17:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete Tikiwont (talk) 07:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Archangelwade

Violation of WP:UP#NOT and/or WP:NOTWEBHOST as promotional userpage entirely concerned with off-wiki activities. haz (talk) 14:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, we're not a web host. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 10:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete As per Wikipedia policy. We are not a web host. Jordan ^Contribs 17:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Comment:Appears to be a test page. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 13:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. bibliomaniac15 02:26, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Sheikhali777

Violation of WP:UP#NOT and/or WP:NOTWEBHOST as promotional userpage entirely concerned with off-wiki activities. haz (talk) 14:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, not a web host. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 10:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: inactive user, personal information (I removed the phone number and name) on article. Lazulilasher (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete Tikiwont (talk) 07:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Zanbam

Violation of WP:UP#NOT and/or WP:NOTWEBHOST, using user space as promotional page. haz (talk) 14:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, content is (almost) unintelligible. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Page is promotional in nature. Delete as per WP:SOAP. Jordan ^Contribs 17:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: Wikipedia is not your webhost to put anything that has nothing to do with building an enyclopedia. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 20:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete Lazulilasher (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:The Real Baby Ace/subpage/walgreens environmental record

POV fork in userspace. User hasn't contributed since May. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 14:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - Content no longer meeting WP:User last edited by The Real Baby Ace on 6 May 2008 seems ripe for deletion. -- Suntag ☼ 16:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above, but noting that there are similar pages at User:The Real Baby Ace/subpage, now all listed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Real Baby Ace/subpage--Tikiwont (talk) 08:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete Tikiwont (talk) 07:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Rmattai

Violation of WP:UP#NOT and/or WP:NOTMYSPACE, using user space as personal webspace. haz (talk) 13:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, we're not a web host. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 14:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Actually, the user in question tried to create this page as an article, and someone else put in their userspace. User has four edits. 140.247.243.171 (talk) 02:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: Not sure if the no crystal ball policy and the band policy applies in userspace. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - user created a vanity article. I userfied it prior to deleting the article so as to not bight. However, the user hasn't been back (using this account, anyway), and NOTMYSPACE should apply. Rklawton (talk) 22:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete, taking into account the promotional username. Tikiwont (talk) 08:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Nitrousmusic

Violation of WP:UP#NOT and/or WP:NOTMYSPACE, using user space as personal webspace. haz (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, almost empty. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 14:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete - per WP:IAR and this (MySpace memorial page). Will delete the images as well. I will notify the nominator separately and seek further advice. I suspect that deletion will be the result in any case. Deletion of this discussion page might be needed as well. Carcharoth (talk) 22:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Jacksterlinghowlett

User page that seems to be meant to promote his paintings. User's contributions are limited to this user page and several images of his paintings, which were never used in any articles. —Bkell (talk) 13:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, we're not myspace. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 14:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep Tikiwont (talk) 07:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tutorial (Formatting)/sandbox

This is an exact duplicate of the regular sandbox. It would probably be just as productive to redirect this to Wikipedia:Sandbox. -- GO-PCHS-NJROTC ^(Messages) 01:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, it would (agree with nomination) -- how do you turn this on 02:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
• Having a number of sandboxes prevents horrendous edit conflicts in the main one, and it's useful to have it linked to the formatting tutorial so that people can see examples of formatting tests and build on what others have done. Might as well keep it for these two reasons. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Zzuuzz. In any case, it can't hurt to keep it, especially seeing as ClueBot II is configured to keep it in order. haz (talk) 20:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per above. Having only one sandbox will make that one sandbox mostly useless, with the number of edits and randomness that goes on. -- Ned Scott 01:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy keep per above. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete all pages but advise user accordingly in case they return. Images need to be addressed separately and are not necessarily deletion candidates anyways. Tikiwont (talk) 08:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

User:David Cruise/Homogeneity

This user has long been absent and all these articles are versions for long term storage. All the images that fall on the pages as the only usage should also be deleted.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 00:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• User:David Cruise/Homogeneity as to Homogeneity (statistics) - Images all on commons
• User:David Cruise/Matrix Addition as to Matrix addition - Images all on commons
• User:David Cruise/Multiple correlation as to Multiple correlation - No images
• User:David Cruise/Supermatrices as to Supermatrix - Image:Supermatrix 1.png, Image:Supermatrix 2.png, Image:Supermatrix 3.png, Image:Supermatrix 4.png
• User:David Cruise/War Cycles as to War cycles - Images used elsewhere
• User:David Cruise/Matrix Subtraction as to a redirect to Matrix addition - Images on commons
• User:David Cruise/True Variance as to True variance - Image:True Variance 7.gif, Image:True Variance 6.png
• User:David Cruise/Witch trials as to Witch-hunt - Image:Map of Witch Trials.jpg, Image:Bruloir.jpg, Image:Fire 2.jpg, Image:Raising the Devil.jpg, Image:CottonM.jpg, Image:Malleus Bar Graph.jpg, Image:TortureRack.jpg, Image:IntestinalCrankA.jpg, Image:TortureChamber.jpg, Image:Weyer.jpg, Image:NeedleUnderFingernails.jpg, Image:DevilExists.jpg
• User:David Cruise/Canonical Analysis as to Canonical analysis - No images
• User:David Cruise/Diana assassination is just a link to an off-wiki site - No images
• User:David Cruise/Mayerling is just a 3 line "article" - No images
• User:David Cruise/Variance is a blanked page, but this edit to it speaks to the user's exit [1]

• Keep all and use {{NOINDEX}}/blanking on any that might be problematic. The "long term storage" really isn't an issue for pages that became inactive because an editor left. This is very different than someone intentionally creating pages to serve as a stored version. Sandboxes don't have idle timers. -- Ned Scott 01:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Consider me neutral right now. Seems he didn't actually work on any of these. -- Ned Scott 22:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Have a look at this relativly short talk page Talk:Canonical analysis. The above pages are simply copies of articles that he wrote in which he is keeping his prefered versions. It is also very likley that this user and the user and IP address in this diff [2] are the same person. The references added to the respective articles appear to be written by the person behind User:Cruise. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete all as archived/permanent content in user subpages. -- Suntag ☼ 10:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - MfD is not for deleting images. That need to be done at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. -- Suntag ☼ 10:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Following on from what you have said and to clarify, those images that are copyleft/PD should be copied to commons then deleted from en-wiki rather than straight deletion. Seddσn ^{talk Editor Review} 02:39, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - I only checked Witch hunt but I couldn't find where in it's history the Witch trials subpage was allegedly archived from, it appears unrelated except as to topic. The images should not be dealt with here at all unless they are eligible for speedy. Also, notwithstanding editor's retirement years ago, it is irregular not to place a notice on the user's talk page.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 04:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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2008-10-01

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The result of the debate was No consensus to delete Lazulilasher (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Missle43

Delete - user page being used as personal webpage/self-promotion. Otto4711 (talk) 14:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I don't agree with Otto here. I'm neutral on the MySpace/YouTube links, but I see no evidence of self-promotion. The user has made edits outside their userspace, to articles unrelated to those mentioned on his userpage, and it's reasonably established and commonplace for users to write about themselves as human beings as well as Wikipedia users. I don't see an issue here. PeterSymonds (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - I am seeing here not a Wikipedia user writing about himself, but a Youtube user having created a Wikipedia userpage with the same moniker for further promotion. Main space edits related to a school or this[3] do not convince me that we should give some leeway here.--Tikiwont (talk) 08:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - The user last edited the page 14 September 2008, so it seems premature to delete it. Perhaps give the matter until 14 December 2008 (3 months) to resolve itself before relisting it at MfD. -- Suntag ☼ 10:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Remove all off-site possibly promotional links until the user contributes more to the encylopedia than he has contributed to his userpage. Deletion is too bitey. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I removed the off-wikipedia links. The commons link led to nothing. [4] --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dr. B. R. Lang (speedy delete)
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2008-10-03

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2008-10-02

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2008-10-01

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• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Aaronshavit/Zionism and racism allegations (2nd nomination) (delete)