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GDSF

Hi, Ed thanks for message, just added a couple as not wanting to over load article, as saw it had an expand tag. was only there for Thursday but got about 600 photos for my project at Tractors.Wiki.com so started with the tractors then moved to the steam as trying to get photos of every machine for the steam section. Gave up on the Showmans as too many people in the way. Missed the Heavy haulage (trucks) area out but got few in the ring last off. Should have gone to the top of the ploughing field hill to get an over view shot but didn't bother as had some steam ploughing ones from Holcot the other week. Most of my photos are going on to 'my' Wiki project. Did consider going back today but a full tank of fuel and 4+ hours each way and with a poor weather forecast i decided not to bother, think you had a better Idea stopping a few day. May do that if I can get next year, as missed last year as was in Ireland working. Also got a few small books for reference material and got a few photos of the steam cars including one with the "Engine" mechanism exposed. Think the GDSF article needs splitting into sections to build up but was unable to think of much text to add to go with the pictures last night as it jumps about a bit. BulldozerD11 (talk) 14:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Good point about not overloading the article -- would be easy to add a photo of every section and make a huge picture-based article, but that wouldn't go down too well :o) The problem with expanding it is the need for reference sources (I notice two more links have been added -- we should incorporate them as refs in due course!) There is a good history on the GDSF site itself, but haven't got round to modifying this article yet. I mention a picture book (I think it is used as a ref!) but I forgot to pick up a copy this year (didn't visit the stand concerned). I haven't even found out when (or why) it is known as the Great Dorset Steam Fair.

We have been going for about 6 years now. After the second year of trying to do a full day trip (2hrs driving each way) we decided that the only way of doing the show real justice was to camp and visit two days running (in practice, an evening + 2 days) - and it is still difficult to see everything, especially if you lose yourself watching the heavy haulage ring, which I can do for hours on end! The weather wasn't too bad at all, in fact it's the warmest we've been all summer (having spent two very damp weeks under canvas earlier). Next year my boys are wanting us to stay for the Saturday as well!

The only thing really missing from the show (that springs to mind right now) is a proper steam shovel. They've had later diesel equivalents, but no steam-powered beasts; however, they are very rare in working order, and big, so it's not very surprising. Also I'd like to see some less-conventional (steam) rollers, such as the Robey tandem and tri-tandem types, and any vertical-boiler examples (all exist in preservation, but I have not seen them in the flesh: pics would enhance the steam roller article, if you have any in your collections?)

Easier to take pics of the showman's engines that are not in the line-up, otherwise you just have to be very patient!

EdJogg (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Only been 3 times now. Dont think I had a digital camera the 1st time, so must look at the old fashioned collection. I canot think of a Proper steam shovel, dont think they have one at the Vintage Excavator trust site as Ive got most of there machines on photos. Got a steam crane but its incomplete and unrestored at Ironbridge some were. The Armstrong And Whitworths roller in the tents rare as they only made few late on, and its No.2 according to another data base. The VET have an early diesel at Threkeld thats un restored yet. Not seen the other you mention (yet) but if i find them will add. Got book on Fowler, Garrett, and a reprint of a paper on road rolling to the IME by T Aveling, printed by the RRA. Is there a proper steam shovel at Lincoln museum ?

Got most of the Showmans that were doted about, and one shot of the line of 30 but too many people wandering about. Trouble now is remembering which engines I'v got already as some are at lots of shows, Dosent matter as much with my new camera as old one usest to run out of battery power after 150 photos :( Just Disc space now.

A Gallery section might be an idea, and was thinking split it into the different show sections for a description and photos. I've used some of the photos for other related articles with a link to the GDSF article - BulldozerD11 (talk) 16:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject UK Engineering Heritage ?

I think Steam needs a Project or task force as other transport sectors have project groups; Trains Bus, canals etc for example all have one.

What do you think to having a Project for UK engineering heritage, covering Steam, Old Engineering firms etc, and the transport stuff which is covered but other areas are lacking. The UK area of Wikipedia could have an overall Engineering Heritage Project with the different branches below that as there is loads of Isolated article not really tied together. As the UK used to be the engineering and Industrial innovators for a lot of the world at one stage. In the Yorkshire section there is loads of article on coal mines, and then theres all the old Companies articles like the steam engine builders and rail locomotive firms which are often not grouped other than to railway categories. I know your trying to build up the Steam related firms articles as well as the Basic Steam engine and car articles. I Started with tractors and plant then added steam engines, and Internal combustion engines and Truck builders to my tractors project and its spreading out like a spiders web, as i hunt for info to fill in the gaps and go beyond the wikipedia basic history of each subject with details of all preserved examples and specs etc that fail to meet WPs criteria / policies.

I've come across several firms id not heard of before, as steam engine builders, Brown & May, Babcock & Wilcox (Babcocks i did know of as powerstation engineers), Armstrong & Whitworth building rollers, others building stationarty IC engines like Wolseley before moving onto car making, and are now the plumbers merchants. So vast range of History and interconnections of firms missing in general. What do you think about some new project(s)? BulldozerD11 (talk) 14:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

A project sounds like a good idea. There is an official process for creating one, but a task-force of an existing project would be simpler. I would certainly participate, but don't really have the time to set anything in motion. There must be some kind of 'WikiProject UK', and that might be the best place to start off asking, to see what sort of support there might be. Thereafter, notices on the UK Railways, Trucks, UK Museums, and Industrial Archaeology projects (I think that last one exists, it might be just 'Industry') would also raise awareness. EdJogg (talk) 13:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes times a problem. I'd looked a bit and not found anything other than the transport stuff, and some articles had been tagged business project by a bot but then never graded. A Project Lincolnshire's just starting so that may cover them a bit. So maybe should sound the idea at project UK then ? Articles need abit of support or else the daft merge Road rollers and Steam rollers type proposals appear as their both about rollers. Then theres the other extreme of articles on every little stream and creek, football team, and 2 house town etc. getting a stub or major firms (in a local context getting AfDed). - BulldozerD11 (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Steam engine#"Motor Unit"

We last discussed this on 22 Aug. You said you did not want us to cause 'motor' to become the standard usage in this context. So what day does User:Wolfkeeper chose to go and put 'motor' here: [1]? What can yer do, eh? Globbet (talk) 22:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm at a loss to know what to do here. Life outside WP has been hectic recently (too many things to repair!) and I don't have the energy to fight this particular battle. I have been consciously avoiding the arguments on the steam engine page. You may care to ask Wiktionary for verification of the terms added to Steam Engine, since the definition there is somewhat sparse, and this might assist our cause. As I said on the Steam Engine talk page, the only real answer will be when we find some references to support our usage of this or equivalent terms, and then no-one will be able to argue about it any more. EdJogg (talk) 12:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Fodens

Not sure I understand this: "I would support this, in which case the category should be restored to the Foden redirect to assist anyone searching via the category." You seem to be saying that Category:Steam road vehicle manufacturing companies needs Foden and Foden Trucks, or whatever that gets moved to? Globbet (talk) 00:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it's getting rather late! I am supporting your rename suggestions. The reason for including the redirects in the categories is that people are likely to be searching inside a category for an article titled 'Foden xxx' rather than one starting 'Edwin' (Yes I know they'll be in adjacent sections, but I don't think that's a real issue.). The only point I was trying to make about Foden Trucks is that there's bound to be a diesel category equivalent to the steam category mentioned and that we should use that. EdJogg (talk) 00:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we get round that by using "Category:Steam road vehicle manufacturing companies|Foden, Edwin, Sons & Co." Globbet (talk) 09:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

That seems a sensible move. EdJogg (talk) 11:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Rollback feature

Hi there, you might want to consider the previous feature, it does help fighting vandalism ...

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 13:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, although I don't know why you singled me out... I have been using the non-administrator Rollback facility, when appropriate, since it was introduced.

EdJogg (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I saw you fighting vandalism, please do not ask where, and I thought that the rollback button might be handy. I always suggest people to get it if they do not have; I would suggest you though to place the template {{user rollback}} in your page, so people know you have those rights ;)

Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I've also reorganised all the boxes into two groups: those specifically related to Wikipedia editing, and those for 'external interests'. Hopefully this will be more useful to casual vistors!

As for where I was doing anti-vandal work, it was most likely a page associated with railways, steam engines/transport or any of the "Thomas" pages; however, being a WikiGnome I end up editing most pages I visit, so it could have been anywhere! (Just checked, and my latest tally is over 3000 unique pages edited.)

Cheers -- EdJogg (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

MBB canal

Hi there, I've responded to your input but just wanted to warn you to refresh your browser if you read further, as I've made some minor changes in the 'restoration' part :) Parrot of Doom (talk) 14:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Wise move - thanks for the warning - avoided a possible edit conflict. I've responded in the FAC review. Will try to review further for you this weekend, but there are many non-WP calls on my time at present, so I cannot promise to finish the job, but I'll give it a go if I can -- there's rather a lot to read! EdJogg (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

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heh, that would be fun :) In all seriousness though I'd like to let rip with a chainsaw on some sections, a bit of rope, a few straps, and CRACK over they go :D Parrot of Doom (talk) 20:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Bridgewater Canal

Your tweaks to the quotes are fine. The OCR on the older articles in the Times archive is dreadful, and it more or less involves a complete rewrite. I should have run it through Word's spellchecker when I'd finished I suppose. Richerman (talk) 09:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Olana North / Canterberry

FYI, based on their own admission and this discussion it now appears that User:Olana North was a sockpuppet of User:Canterberry. Which probably explains quite alot. --CBD 11:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I knew that, having recognised his style. But I also recognised that his positive contributions to WP far outweigh the negative ones which attract all the attention, and are usually brought about through provocation of some kind. Early-on I warned him that a repeat of his previous behaviour would not be tolerated here, and I thought that he might have learnt his lesson. The latest issues arise through two potentially hot-headed editors allowing matters to get out-of-hand. It is most frustrating!!

EdJogg (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Kennet and Avon Canal

Hi, Thanks for your help with the references etc on Kennet and Avon Canal. The recent "edit torrent" was because it was up for GAR and would have been demoted if the additional references had not been provided. While I'm here you wouldn't fancy taking a look at Bridgwater and Taunton Canal as well as this has recently been undergoing a major expansion?— Rod ^talk 14:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The K&A has been on my watchlist, but I had to take it off briefly as the large surge of edits was swamping my list (it was impeding me tackling a backlog of changes to check). I had noticed it was a GA review, but the review was passed before I could join in! This edit was the result of me double-checking the bulk changes and returning the to my watchlist. Note that for speed I only proof-read the displayed portion of the references.

Since you have asked nicely, I will try to have a look at the B&TC page in the near future. It is only 'C' class currently, so I will not necessarily take as much time as I would for an FA review, but it'll be useful none-the-less. You'll see I've already had a tiny look, although I've only read one paragraph -- I noticed the picture showing "demolition chambers" and wanted to find out more, but "demolition" is not mentioned outside the picture caption, which is an omission you will want to address.

Cheers -- EdJogg (talk) 14:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

SKLR

Thanks for the wikilink. I did see the article but wasn't sure he was the right person, which is why I didn't link him. Mjroots (talk) 10:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

That's OK. Lord Faulkner's page needs expanding to show his involvement in railways, which is considerable. (Can be sourced from articles on his website and the Railway Heritage Committee, which also deserves its own page). That's the trouble with WP....I keep finding more things to do!!

EdJogg (talk) 10:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Roller

Hi,

Why did you remove the roller picture I added? It's not towed, but it's still a roller. (Please reply on my talk page of course) Tempshill (talk) 05:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you did - thanks for the disambig - never mind. Tempshill (talk) 05:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

GWR 645 Class

Anything built or converted to broad gauge would have been (re) converted from 1892 onwards. Strictly speaking the locos were not pannier tanks until progressively converted in the early 20th century. Because of their long life and numerous close relatives, the similarities are arcane to say the least and even the original spec might not really be original. Similar comments would apply to 850, 2021, 2721, 1854, 1501 classes as all started as open cabbed saddle tanks but most ended with PT and full cabs.

LaScala