Talk:Ernest Augustus, Crown Prince of Hanover

Title

What was Ernst August called after he lost his titles in 1919? Did he keep the title in his personal life, or did he drop it completely? Prsgoddess187 13:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

copied from discussion about naming pretenders Ernest August, from NC (titles) talkpage:

....But I have to ask, what of Ernest Augustus II? Are we depriving him of his crown princely title here? Can he not be Ernest Augustus II, Crown Prince of Hanover or must we use the Cumberland title? May both be use? That is, Crown Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumbberland? Or is that Cumber-some? (hehe) Charles 15:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

.... In terms of the Duke of Cumberland, he deprived himself of his "Crown Prince" title when he succeeded his father in 1878. Until that time he was known as "The Crown Prince of Hanover," but after his father's death he became known as "The Duke of Cumberland." ... john k 16:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ernest Augustus 3rd Cumberland's case should be discussed at his article talkpage - the overall solution is not dependent upon it (were he either E.A, 3rd d of C, or Ernest Augustus, Crown Prince of Hanover, we see that both names are unique).... Shilkanni Shilkanni 17:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The convention of Wikipedia is to give the highest title ever used, even if he died when using a lower one. That would support this guy being "Crown Prince". Shilkanni 18:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, this guy cannot be under a regnal number (i.e, II) since he never reigned. See Naming Convention. Shilkanni 23:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Was Crown Prince of Hanover an actual title, like Prince of Wales? If not, there's some sense to keeping him at Cumberland, which is what he seems to get called. But the number must go. Septentrionalis 18:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Military service

--- Where did he actually serve during WWI? Septentrionalis 18:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Remembering that he was in his seventies during that precise war, I would guess that he served in a way similar to how Otto I of Bavaria ruled his kingdom. Besides, as he had declined to accept the constitution of German Empire, I cannot fathom how he would have been trusted in German army. Possibly he was given some nominal position in his son's duchy's military forces, but actual warring is probably a slightly far-fetched description. Shilkanni 19:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Cumberland and Teviotdale

I am aware that his full title was "Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale," but my understanding has been that such people were generally called only by the first part of their two part ducal titles. Thus, George III's second son is always called "The Duke of York," not the "Duke of York and Albany," and his fourth son is called "The Duke of Kent," not the "Duke of Kent and Strathearn" (and notice that his daughter was Princess Victoria of Kent, not Princess Victoria of Kent and Strathearn). Given that our articles are titled based on common usage, rather than pedantic correctness, why is it wrong to have this guy at Ernest Augustus of Hanover, 3rd Duke of Cumberland, or something along those lines? He was normally called, as far as I know "the Duke of Cumberland," not "the Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale." john k 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I was basing my move on the standards at WikiProject Peerage (basically a creation of Proteus, and which I haven't yet formally joined), which essentially say that the article title and opening should have Cumberland and Teviotdale, but just Cumberland is fine everywhere else. However, I was perhaps too hasty; I totally understand that we can't move articles based on "pedantic correctness." Maybe we should just move it back- the poor Ernst Augusts have had enough of a mess with names anyway. TysK 07:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...you are correct that this is what WikiProject Peerage currently says. I wasn't aware of that. I'll withdraw the objection for now. Carry on. john k 11:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Although note that the project also says not to use ordinals. I believe the proper title under it would be Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale. Which is, of course, indistinguishable from his grandfather's title before he became King of Hanover. The standards might need a working over. john k 11:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That's why we use 3rd Duke, and I believe that that is still standard. Septentrionalis 22:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)