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Category:Oriental Orthodox churches

Category:Oriental Orthodox churches - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: This cat is pointless because every single article and subcat in this category also contains Category:Oriental Orthodoxy. Seems like two different cats were created with different names to serve the same purpose.Andrew c [talk] 17:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and ManageThis category fits better into Category:Christian denominations. It would be better to remove the duplications from Category:Oriental Orthodoxy. Johnbod 18:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, the parent cat could probably use some standardization. The reason why I nominated the way I did was because it would be a lot easier to remove the category from 7 articles and 5 subcats, than it would be to remove then add a category to over 100 items. But I guess that is why we have bots. But please note that we have subcats such as "Christian ecumenism", "Old Catholicism", "Eastern Orthodoxy", "Puritanism", "Protestantism", "Quakerism", "Swedenborgianism", "Syriac Christianity", etc, that all lack "Church" from their name. I believe what is going on here is there are overarching parent categories for these movements that have been thrown together as "denominations" in the other parent cat. For example, the category "Oriental Orthodoxy" covers more, in my opinion, than what would be implied by "Oriental Orthodox Churches" (which also connotes physical buildings). So, I think we should keep my original proposal, and perhaps consider as another issue, standardizing Category:Christian denominations.-Andrew c [talk] 21:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstand. I was just suggesting removing the churches from "Oriental Orthodoxy", and just leaving the subcat we are discussing. Johnbod 21:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Manage per Johnbod. Having two different cats could make sense—one could contain the churches, meaning the institutions; the other could contain the beliefs, practices, etc. of the churches. The churches category should be a subcat of the more general category. Ubi Terrarum 05:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or re-scope; Category:Churches is by and large for church buildings, with Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox being the two largest deviating branches— instead of Category:Oriental Orthodox churches, the category is being used for Category:Oriental Orthodox Churches. -choster 21:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is not part of the Category:Churches tree, but the denominatiions one. Johnbod 23:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, the wub "?!" 22:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC) the wub "?!" 22:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the Ethiopians to this one. As you say, the Coptic church should be removed from Category:Christian denominations and Category:Christianity if the decision is to manage. Johnbod 00:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Linux on PDAs

Propose renaming Category:Linux on PDAs to Category:Embedded Linux
Nominator's rationale: Rename, "embedded" is a more generic term that will allow better classification and creation of subcategories; e.g. the current Category:Linux based devices is not really a subcategory since not all of the devices are PDAs, but they are embedded devices. -- intgr [talk] 19:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nobel laureates by nationality

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Category:Canadian Nobel laureates Template:Lc1
Category:Dutch Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Finnish Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
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Category:Hungarian Nobel laureates Template:Lc1
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Category:Israeli Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Japanese Nobel laureates Template:Lc1
Category:Mexican Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Polish Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Portuguese Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Russian Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Spanish Nobel Prize winners Template:Lc1
Category:Swiss Nobel laureates Template:Lc1
Category:Turkish Nobel laureates Template:Lc1
Category:Ukrainian Nobel laureates Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: over-categorisation...and all her children emerson7
addendum: there already exists nobel categories by discipline, [1], and nobel lists by nationality [2]. also many laureates hold multiple citizenships and if properly tended would have several entries.
  • Keep - Seems like a useful and valid way to organize Nobel laureates. It is also a lot easier to use this category structure rather than try and browse the 39 KB list article. --Kralizec! (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Kralizec, but (whilst we're here) rename to Category:Fooian Nobel laureates of the ones that don't fit this format, so that the sub-categories are consistent with each other - at present, there's a mixture of "Nobel laureates" and "Nobel Prize winners". This would match main articles List of Nobel laureates and Nobel laureates by country and the parent category Category:Nobel laureates. BencherliteTalk 21:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and standardize per Bencherlite Johnbod 22:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Kralizec. Rename as suggested by Bencherlite. I note however that this nomination misses some sub-categories such as the English and Scottish ones. --Bduke 22:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ship classes by country

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Category:Ship classes used by the Royal Australian Navy - Template:Lc1
Category:Ship classes used by the Belgian Naval Component - Template:Lc1
Category:Ship classes used by the Royal Canadian Navy - Template:Lc1
Category:Ship classes used by the Canadian Forces - Template:Lc1
Category:Ship classes used by the Royal New Zealand Navy - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: The WikiProject Ships categorization guidelines categorize ship classes in the Category:Ships by country and Category:Ships by navy structures. For example, in Category:Battleships of the United Kingdom, you can see subcategories for each battleship class at the top, and articles for each individual battleship at the bottom. The Ship classes by country structure is redundant. Moreover, though it's named Ship classes by country, it is being used to categorize ships by navy. TomTheHand 17:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
delete as per nominator; it is both defunct and self-contradictory. It confuses an already not 100% clear categorisation system. Emoscopes Talk 18:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Memorial University alumni

Category:Memorial University alumni - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: This cat was duplicated with Category:Memorial University of Newfoundland alumni. I moved the population over, and the cat should now be deleted. GreenJoe 15:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ubuntu

Category:Ubuntu (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Merge into Category:Ubuntu (Linux distribution) derivatives, or the Reverse, this was a wanted category -- Prove It (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anna Vissi

Category:Anna Vissi - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. The material is interlinked and appropriately categorized. Main article serves as an appropriate navigational hub. Otto4711 13:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vangelis

Category:Vangelis - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. After clearing out the person by project articles the name article and single subcat don't warrant a category. Otto4711 13:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deaths by pneumonia

Category:Deaths by pneumonia - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete. A death by pneumnoia is not a notable characteristic of the majority of those listed in this category. A deaths by leprosy or by smallpox is a much more notable attribute, but pneumonia is a fairly common cause of death. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - is this a prelude to a wider examination of the Deaths by cause category structure? Otto4711 15:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep cause of death is a defining and notable part of someone's life (or end of it), and saying it's a common cause is a redundant arguement. It's obviously not that common on here, or to put it another way, not that many notable people seem to have died from it, say compared to cancer. Lugnuts 18:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:John Mayer

Category:John Mayer - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category; not needed per WP:OCAT. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - contents appear to be largely albums and songs which have their own categories. Absent that material and considering the extensive navtemplates, the category isn't warranted. Otto4711 12:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rape anime and manga

Category:Rape anime and manga - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Generally a bad idea. The series grouped in this category have nothing at all to do with one another except that they, at some point, had a rape scene in them. In other words, it's a category that will end up containing almost every hentai series and a random assortment of others, with no real thematic link. Applicable precedents here may be Category:Panchira (a deleted category for series containing panty shots) and Category:Films with a rape theme.
It also for some reason doesn't have The Rapeman in it, which was a severe oversight on the part of its creator, to say the least. --tjstrf talk 05:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Definitely not worth keeping. Doceirias 05:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and precedent: this is either trivial (in non-pornographic works) or far too common (in pornography). —TangentCube, Dialogues 05:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete misleading for users: the category suggest that 'rape' is one of the main themes in these anime and manga, which isn't the case. Ninja neko 05:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an unnecessary over classification. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for Ninja neko's reason. —Quasirandom 14:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete An unnecessary and misleading category. It is also an Wikipedia:Overcategorization. Tbo 157talk 18:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Biography of living persons

Category:Biography of living persons - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Empty category that was created for questionable administrative purpose, for which it is not used. There were only four members in the category, all which belonged in Living people cat. So I moved them to that category. Unnecessary category that only confuses people, and causes real living people biographies to not be properly categorized. Dean Wormer 02:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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