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Request to consider a "Playable Stages" section

This section of discussion is about the creation of a section in the SSBB article called "Playable Stages" and/or the creation of a new article called "Super Smash Brothers: playable stages"
To view the article currently being discussed please go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_Smash_Brothers:_playable_stages&oldid=164165491

I belive that it would be a good idea if we were to add a section under the Playable Characters section. Or at least have a seperate article for the playable stages and link to it.

Here is my example:

Example
Battlefield

The battlefield stage is considered a very basic stage and was in the original Super Smash Bros game. It has a main platform below 3 smaller floating platforms. Unlike previous smash games this one now has a changing enviroment as the stage goes through the different times of the day. (daytime, evening, night, and morning)

No, no, read the FAQ, no, and...no.
InsaneZeroG 00:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I checked it and although it does say no lists in this site wouldn't it be a good idea to have seperate article such as Super Smash Brothers: playable stages or something similiar? Then it wouldn't exactly be on the SSBB article but it would be information availible, we would just have a link to it from the SSBB article. That's all.
Spitfire 01:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No. If you want to add fancruft, go the the Smash Wiki. If you want to add something constructive, try again. Plus, I don't care if you're part of the Nintendo Wiki Project. I can be if I made a few edits here and there. It doesn't mean much unless you've really made some contributions to the articles.
InsaneZeroG 01:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then I will try again, I know I can find something that will work
Spitfire 01:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really doubt anything centered on fighting game stages will hold its own as an article. More specifically, it's unlikely that any out-of-universe information will come out of it, and as a result, there will be an extreme lack of second/third-party sources, if there are any sources at all. That boat may float for a few months while people don't care and/or give it time to expand, but it will hopelessly sink when it crashes into its first iceberg of an AFD. You Can'
An official Nintendo website is a lack of resources?Spitfire 01:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. You may get a crapload of primary sources, but you won't get any secondary sources at all. A good article requires a surplus of both, not one or the other. You Can't See Me! 01:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. While I personaly belive that it is a good idea to have a "playable stages" article or section. I understand now that further edits should not be added at least until the game comes out.

Afterwards it should be applicable to post edits thereafter due to a likely range of secondary sources to emerge after the game is realeased. Agreed?
Spitfire 01:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no secondary sources for the stages in Melee, why would be any for Brawl when it comes out? — Malcolm (talk) 01:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also consider WP:CON InsaneZeroG 01:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about finding other secondary sources but there is another primary source. And that is the official Nintendo Power guide to SSBM It contained a section in it defining each stage. Yes, it is a hard copy reference.
I'm going to have to disagree. There is no need for a list of stages anywhere in this article. If you want to see the stages, go to Dojo. -Sukecchi 01:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is why we also are contimplating the idea of a seperate article for playable stages. Please click the link at the beginging of this discussion section for more information.
Still disagreeing. All you're doing is describing the image. They can go to Dojo. -Sukecchi 02:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the obvious fancruft, having lists of characters/stages/assist-trophies is bad because... well, Brawl is going to be huge. And even devoting just one paragraph to each of these things will stretch the article to unwieldy lengths. We need to consider article length, and in my opinion, it is at a perfect length right now. -- POWERSLAVE 02:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is a list of playable stages encyclopedic? Wikipedia is not a game guide. Listing playable characters is a stretch, but it's still useful. - Zero1328 Talk? 02:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and if we were to list stages, we may have to list music, items, moves, and so on...all being pretty much unencyclopedic. InsaneZeroG 02:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On a related note, look at the article you made: There are three paragraphs coupled with six frivolous nonfree images. That's an absurdity! Please read through WP:NONFREE for a tutorial on the use of nonfree images. There is absolutely no reason that any of those even needed to be there. You Can't See Me! 02:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I give up. It's obviously 5 vs. 1 and I have no way to win this argument.  :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spitfire19 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not needed. Keep this level of detail to SmashWiki. This site is for general information. Wikipedian06 20:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You should add New Pork City —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrosticeBlade (talk • contribs) 00:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem pretty unique (no apparent connections with characters, the only possible one I can think of is Wario, which still isn't very likely). Not sure if it merits a mention in the article. — Malcolm (talk) 00:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's from Mother 3. And no, there's no reason to put it in the article.Satoryu 00:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bah, all I play is Mario and Zelda. :P Sorry I didn't recognize that. — Malcolm (talk) 00:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, just trying to help FrosticeBlade 20:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rated Teen?

When I checked the reference for the ESRB rating for Super Smash Bros Brawl it had absolutely no information about the rating. The official site Smash Bros Dojo has no info on it either. ESRB's official site did not have an entry for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, only for Melee. We should edit this to rating pending. Smashbrosboy 19:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)Smashbrosboy[reply]

Please see this page; you'll be asked to sign in, so use the username "guest" and type in the password "nintendo" (no caps at all). Confirmation of the rating, boxart, and so forth can be found on that page. You Can't See Me! 19:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering, but... if a source requires a username/password to see it, can it still even be used as a source? -- POWERSLAVE 20:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While it would be difficult to cite directly (the actual page for the image gets around that), there's nothing that blocks it from passing WP:V. My suggestion is to do something similar to the Story section of Final Fantasy VII; many citations there actually provide text in front of the cite link itself (when there even is a link). Arrowned 22:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So what is it rated?Green Kirby 12:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


apparently, T Ivyluv 15:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that is indeed a verifiable, official source...interesting that it doesn't seem to have been mentioned on Nintendo's game page for Brawl (on their main site) or on Dojo.

For those who might be wondering, it's rated T for Cartoon Violence and Crude Humor, according to the press info page.

Erik 23:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lock

Couldn't we lock this article again to new wikipedia editors? It bugged me to see the added speculation in the playable characters area. I know it's deleted but to avoid this, could we lock the article again so things like "rumor has it" would not be put again? deecee 14:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we get enough vandalism for it to get locked. If anyone else agrees, I will put a request to the admins. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 14:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't it been locked since October 5? That's the last time when some IP vandalism occurred. -Zomic13 15:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, the article was protected on the 5th, and that protection isn't set to expire until November 5. --Onorem♠Dil 15:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, better yet, why not point all these speculatin' newbies towards SmashWiki instead? They can edit to their heart's desire there, and hopefully leave the Wikipedia Brawl article in peace. Nintenboy01 17:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Percent

Shouldn't we mention the percent goes from 0% beyond 100% and even maybe that it stops at 999%, although we don't know FOR SURE that second part (999%).
Blindman shady 01:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It's been the same in the past two games. — Malcolm (talk) 01:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, you're supposed to pretend everyone knows basically nothing about it. Whatever.
Blindman shady 03:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I mean why would it belong on this page? Super Smash Bros. (series) would be more appropriate. — Malcolm (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh because of this:
Following the style of its critically acclaimed predecessors, the game uses a battle system different from the typical fighting game. Choosing from a variety of characters, two to four players fight on various stages, all the while trying to knock their opponents off the screen. Instead of using health bars like other fighting games, it features percentage meters. They start at zero percent, and as the characters take damage, the percentage meter goes up, causing the characters to fly farther back each time when hit.
It kinda doesn't mention that it goes beyond 100%. I really don't care, I just thought it might have been necessary.
Blindman shady 20:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Box Art

That box art has not been official confirm, and I am 99% positive it is a fake. I suggest we turn it back to the Super Smash Bros. Brawl lettering, with the white background. Seriously, no wi-fi sticker, we've seen all those animations, and no Sonic or Snake further proves this. It is a fake boxart, and should be removed. Johnknight1 6:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=9713. Username: guest, Password: nintendo. I get the feeling we're going to be fielding this question for months to come. -_- Arrowned 01:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just to point out, The melee boxart didn't show every playable character, and actually, neither did the first Smash Bros. Depressio 11:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well they would'nt show boxart untill all the characters on it were confirned on dojo, and have you ever seen those pictures on anything else? I mean look, it was shown right after Pokemon trainer was confirmed.Green Kirby 21:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not true, just because some characters are missing doesn't mean they cant make a box art. The people who made the game have all the characters they are working with what they have.--FrosticeBlade 21:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the creators would show a character before the character's on dojo, but whatever, I don't want to start another argument.Green Kirby 21:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you do know that the creators just didn't create the characters in one day and show them on their site, they had them for a while and then showed us take snake for ex we show him on many many different videos and didn't get to see him on the site for who knows how long.--FrosticeBlade 22:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know that, but I think that the creators would want to introduce them on dojo, one by one otherwise, what's the point of dojo? I mean, they might as well show everything in one day if they did'nt want to do that. Dojo's around for a reason.Green Kirby 22:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why wouldn't it be official if it's on nintendo's press site? — Malcolm (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly.Green Kirby 22:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that box art is real, but if it is the creators could do what ever they want with the games box art if they want to add Lucas on it why not its their game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrosticeBlade (talk • contribs) 22:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason why the boxart would not be real. I mean, what's not real about it? Where have you seen those pictures before? Tell me and give me a source otherwise there's no reason why this boxart should'nt be real.Green Kirby 22:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

right here http://www.vgboxart.com/browse/title/5435/--FrosticeBlade 22:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wi-fi edit war

Will people please stop edit warring? Can't we just discuss this calmly here? — Malcolm (talk) 20:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is the information about taunts falls under WiFi play in general. And the information therefore applies to Homerun contest. Which is false, as given the screenshots for Homerun contest nicknames do not apply. And before you say this was a random match, Sakurai says this mode can only be played with people under "With Friends".--MrBubbles 20:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added that the names show up specifically during multiplayer matches. Perhaps this would satisfy both parties.Satoryu 20:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That still doesn't matter. The nicknames still appear in the Multiplayer matches, so the statement holds true. Dengarde ► Complaints 20:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Scratch that. I'm good with Satoryu's edit. Dengarde ► Complaints 20:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but it doesn't TRUE to the other game modes during WiFi, one of them is Homerun. Think of it as branches off each particular mode.

Single Player---Classic/Subspace

Multiplayer-Melee/Special Melee

WiFi Play---CopOp/Homerun

The statements should fall under all or should be specified like Satoryu did.--MrBubbles 20:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps names only appear while characters are static, much like P1 etc. in the previous games. Speculation, yes, but still something to consider.Satoryu 20:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Satoryu saved the day. When you have stubborn editors such as myself things get heated for simple things, then again, there are more bigger silly edit wars than this.--MrBubbles 20:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wifi-Co-op.

To avoid another war:

There is no confirmation of Online SE game play. The Dojo!! SE Co-op update says nothing about Wifi, and the Source at IGN only says "...it will have online cooperative play of some form". It could be referring to the Home-run Contest co-op game play. Dengarde ► Complaints 20:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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