Talk:Warriors (novel series)

Clan Page

I'm sorry if someone has already said this, but what happened to the page about clan information. I can't find any links to it. I think it should be included, or maybe I missed something. Icegram 21:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, we figured everyone would know by now, but if you can't find it, then it must've been deleted. One of the Wikipedia admins thought that it wasn't really encyclopedic (which is really stupid because I thought it was! I used that page a lot!) and they put it up for deletion. It must've taken action recently. I don't know the specific situation with it, but I think that's basically what happened. §ροττεδςταr^{(Talk|Contribs)} 22:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clan (Warriors) Metros 22:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I say we should rebuild it. Make it a bigger and better article that wiki admins cannot delete it. WikiClan should unite. ClawClaw 17:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If you want to have the article exist again, you'll have to take it to deletion review. Metros 18:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm a Sysop on the Warriors Wiki. I'm interested to know if there's anyway I could get a copy of the information that had been collected already. I read the deletion discussion and I ask that it not be posted strait to the fanwiki is it's... as disorganized as many seem to consider it. But salvageable sections and verifiable fact could easily be included in the fanwiki in the proper locations. Kitsufox 19:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I have it copied in notepad, I could give it to you. Crowstar^{Crow callsTalon Marks} 21:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

ET passed it on to me already ;) It's slowly getting worked into the various proper locations for the information at the Wikia. A lot of information in it that needs to be gone through. Kitsufox^{(Fox's Den)} 18:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Icy from Warrior's Wish. So apparently we should just wait to see what the Wiki genius admins do, then rebuild it? Sorry, I'm not sure.[[[User:IceUnshattered|IceUnshattered]] (talk) 20:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

We'd have to be able to reference things and get it through a Deletion Review if we wanted to bring it back here. It's frankly not going to happen. That page was all what they call Fancruft. The truth is harsh, but I'm your fox if you want honest. That page FAILED to meet standards here. Things from it are being worked into the Warriors Wiki instead. The fan-site style stuff goes there, the encyclopedic content stays here. Articles need references other than the original work. Warriors is, in all honesty, a relatively un-notable series for children. There isn't a lot of outside coverage on the matter. Be happy that the information is finding a home at WWiki and don't try and turn the lives of the Admins here into something akin to hell. Kitsufox^{(Fox's Den)} 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you mean by "unnotable" Kitsufox. Did it or did it not receive a #1 title on the New York Time's Bestseller List? Did it or did it not surpass Harry Potter, one of the world's best sellers? Warriors IS notable in that sense, but if you're talking about some different sense, let me know. Regards,  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 13:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I think what Kitsufox is trying to say is that the books were notable, but the clans themselves are not. I have yet to find a printed article that just discusses the clans in the Warriors series. ~ Bella Swan 00:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to state that Warriors has only outsold Harry Potter in specific weeks, not in total book sales. You're twisting the facts to try and make warriors sound more important than it really is. The books simply aren't particularly notable outside our fandom. The world and in universe information has absolutely no notability outside our fandom. There's very little independent coverage of Warriors. Compare that to Harry Potter, that's sold millions of books of INDIVIDUAL TITLES, where as Warriors probobly hasn't sold a million between all the books that are out. On the global scale, Warriors doesn't mean much to people other than us, who're in the Fandom. Say Warriors to a random person on the street, they assume you're talking about the Basketball Team. If you walk up and say Harry Potter, what is Joe Somebody on the street going to be thinking about? That's right. They'll know what you're talking about, most likely. 97.86.37.127 (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Some info we could add

A couple days ago, I went through the First and Second Erin Hunter chats, and found some interesting things that we might want to add the the aricles.

From the first Erin Hunter chat:

• The forest the Clans live in is loosely based off New Forest
• Some of the books are on the New York Times bestseller list
• The herbs and their uses are taken from a book written by Nicholas Cuppler, a sixteenth century apothecary
• There is a Lord of the Rings influence

From the second Erin Hunter chat:

• Vicky says her favorite Warriors book is The Darkest Hour
• the Tribe of Rushing Water shows what happens when two different religions encounter each other, 9/11 related to this
• a theme of Warriors is nature vs. nurture
• Bluestar was originally called Bluestone, but her name was changed so it wouldn't sound like the Moonstone
• Warriors is on Audio CD, starting with Starlight

So there! Shrewpelt 22:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The first stuff has been touched on a few times. However, the second stuff is new.

• I don't see how we could work that in. It would probably be reverted as fancruft.
• I don't think that's too important...
• Hmm... I'm debating this one... I can't really recall instances of that...
• That would be an interesting sidenote to her section in the character page.
• That should be in, maybe as "Warriors is a novel series that has been published in audio CDs" or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crowstar (talk • contribs) 21:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hm, you've been busy, Shrewpelt!  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 01:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the nature vs. nuture thing is good idea. Most books have a 'Theme' section, and that could be that start of a new theme section..... ~ Bella Swan 23:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

That last one on the second chat, the audio thing...we put just stick that in with each respective books' article.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 21:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Another name for the original warriors?

I was browsing the official website and several times it calls the original warriors series Warriors: First Arc. ~Rainpaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.215.85.163 (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's called that....where did you see that again? ~ Bella Swan 20:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, well, maybe they just call it that because it's the first "arc" to the whole series, meaning the beginning of the others. I don't know, that's my guess. But I don't think that really needs to be put in the articles, though... §ροττεδςταr^{(Talk|Contribs)} 23:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I searches it and didn't come up with anything tho, so maybe it was just a typo or something else....I dunno. ~ Bella Swan 23:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a typo. I never knew Brambleclaw had a sister named Tawnyclaw.  :)  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 03:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Dark River is in Canada

I've finshed it and should I start adding the infromation? I know that it's listed to be released on the 26th but isn't it technically released if it's in Canada? (They probably have Warrior's Refuge too, but I was in a rush, and forgot to look.) Griffenflash (talk) 00:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, good news, I've just got the book, and when I'm finished we'll compare answers and come up with something.  :) Guess I'm a new face, huh? Sorry I've taken such a wiki break, but I'm back, baby!  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 21:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay let me know when your done. Griffenflash (talk) 17:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I just finished the last few chapters. Hm...how will we go about this, then?  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 20:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, how about you put any major pionts you notice on my talk page and I'll do the same for you? I've got a headache the size of an elephant so I'll do it tommarrow afternoon? (Man, I cannot spell today) Griffenflash (talk) 00:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, been there. I put some things up this morning, so hopefully that helps. Get well soon!  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 17:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

What Happened???

Why did y'all delete these articles:

List of ThunderClan cats

List of RiverClan cats

List of WindClan cats

List of ShadowClan cats

Alpha92613 (talk) 20:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Because they did not fulfill Wikipedia Policies such as WP:FICT, WP:FAN, WP:N, and WP:CITE. As they'll never be able to do so, they're deleted off Wikipedia. I'm in the process of chasing down a Transwiki for the pages, but apparently my request was missed prior to now. Kitsufox^{(Fox's Den)} 21:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Film?

Should this be included it is directly stated that there is no intent to create a film so should this section be includedCoho (talk) 22:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Probably not. Take it off if you want.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 03:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm tempted to say inclusion of the quote about a lack of plan to create a film at the moment is probobly good. The rumor is very tenacious in the fandom. Kitsufox^{(Fox's Den)} 04:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hm, very good point. I suppose we should keep it on there a bit longer...but, like many people have said many times, Wikipedia is no place for speculations.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 21:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

That's the thing. It would stop speculation since it expressly states that as of right now there will be no movie. ~ Bella Swan 00:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, very true, but still...what's the point? If people believe rumors, that's their problem.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 20:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm only a more recent addition to the Warriors Pages here on Wikipedia. Wasn't there a period where people were consistently posting movie rumors here? I mean, one point of Wikipedia IS to provide information... It's a fuzzy sort of thing. There are good reasons for both points of view. Kitsufox^{(Fox's Den)} 17:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hm, see whatcha mean...can we just take it down? That way, this whole arguement will end. I mean, we can always add something more...legit here later.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 17:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is here to provide information, as I'm sure you probably already know. This is definitly a piece of legitimate and important information. Therefore we should keep it. ~ Bella Swan 20:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

But, on the other hand, it's NOT legit. It's like putting on the, ah...Harry Potter article that there won't be a Harry Potter...cake mix. (???) Why state that there WON'T be something? Like I said before, if a movie DOES come out, then we can add it to the article.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 13:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yet, you can tell that a Warriors movie is slightly more important than a Warriors cake mix. We should also have it because we're aiming for this article to get to FA status, and if you look at any FA articles about the books or what a FA article is supposed to look like, it always includes a section about the book's movie, so we should keep the section in. Regardless, it's stil information, so it should be in Wikipedia. ~ Bella Swan 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Gray Moon?

Someone posted that the title of PoT Book 5 is Gray Moon. I considered it vandalism and reverted it. ClawClaw (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good move. No quality reference, no reason to believe it. (Edited to add my real sig) Kitsufox^{(Fox's Den)} 20:20, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Character Section

I think that there should be a character section with a list of the main characters in each series. Sandpaw/Sandstorm isn't mentioned at all, and Tigerclaw/Tigerstar is only mentioned as Jaypaw, Hollypaw and Lionpaw's grandfather. Bluestar is not mentioned either. So maybe there could be a main character list for each of three series, a list for the manga novels, and a list from Firestar's quest. But I'd like to hear if anyone has any better ideas. Epass (talk) 13:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

There were lists of characters, which I do agree would be very useful, but unfortunatly lists of charcters in the Warriors aren't notable enough for Wikipedia, so they were deleted. I'm sure at least Sandstorm is mentioned in an article about the books, as is Tigerclaw. If you would like to expand on some of the book's articles to provide some more information though, that could work. ~ Bella Swan 20:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree.  Spottedstripe_(Talk2Me) 13:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that the Power of Three section in the article was kind of short, so I added some info on the main characters. But then today I checked it, and someone had undid the entire thing. I looked in History and it said Spottedstar had undid my revision. What is the problem with my work? Epass (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)