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Discussion-Arbitration Injunction

RFC

  • So, what is it you would like to talk about with me? I assume this has something to do with the 24 characters, so what do you need?--Lan Di (talk) 14:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that is correct. I've spoken to a member of the Mediation Cabal, and they suggested a RFC/UC (Request For Comment/User Conduct) regarding Lucy. Would you agree her actions could warrant an RFC? I'll respond to your reply in about 10 mins, I'm needed by someone (see user page) Steve Crossin (talk) 14:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, absolutely, but I wasn't the only person, have you talked with User_talk:Angelriver, User_talk:MiB-24, User_talk:TunaSushi or any of the other people on angelriver's talk page? I recently started working with lucy, but there were some things that went over the line with her. However, I was starting to work with her, after she started being rational once I reported her to my friend. I could explain what happened, but I'll be accused of attacking if I describe what the problem was and the underlying reasons behind the problem we had/have with her.--Lan Di (talk) 14:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could I suggest a discussion via email? I'd like the full story, without being criticised. Or an IM client. Whatever suits you best. Steve Crossin (talk) 14:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure, either one is fine to me, my college's firewall will block IMs, but I can bypass that without being detected. Email when I send it, I like to use a false domain to make it untraceable without advanced equipment. But I could email you from one of my dummy accounts that I use.--Lan Di (talk) 15:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • IM's suit me better. I have AIM, Yahoo, and MSN. Whichever suits you best. Steve Crossin (talk) 15:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, I use AIM a lot, I don't use Yahoo, and I sometimes use MSN with my Xbox Live service, but I don't have the touchpad. Just give me a time and I'll be there.--Lan Di (talk) 15:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, I got your info and deleted it. My college must have changed their software config because I can't create a bypass that I've used in the past. Also, my home computer isn't on, which I use as a secondary bypass, I'll keep trying to get through but it looks like the Panda Firewall is going to win this round.--Lan Di (talk) 15:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bummer, have you tried just email? Or Web MSN? Panda...i've never hacked that before..Steve Crossin (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I can do email, but I'm still trying to break through the firewall. I'm using some more advanced techniques, as they finally patched the vulnerabilities. I forgot my notebook at home, with which I created a hack to effectively turn off the firewall, which would require a reboot of their mainframe, which they hate to do. Using the computer I'm on, I'm trying to emulate what that software did, but I've forgotten how to do it. My major is computers, and I've bypassed and hacked before to break through, but it appears they put in new protocols that I need to bypass. Panda Security is what my school uses. It's a pain to get through, but I'm still scanning their system to see if they left a backdoor open which I can use on an encrypted link so I can't be traced and kicked out.I also need to set up a relay system to make sure attention is diverted from me.--Lan Di (talk) 16:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just replying to your message on my talk page. It's almost 2:00 a.m. here so I'll respond in the morning. --MiB-24 (talk) 07:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adoption requirements

Please see User:Tiptoety/Adoption. You may start the lessons when ever you wish, and can take as long as you want to complete them. I am still willing to work with you on other things, but as an adopter need to make sure you get the fundamentals down. If you have any questions let me know. Tiptoety talk 06:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Complete the classes, all the required ones and two optional. Once you have completed those and have proven to me that you clearly understand the course, there will be a test. Each test is different depending on what optional classes you chose to take. Tiptoety talk 16:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, your experience with fair use is fine. Just make sure to have it covered good enough to pass a test on it. Cheers Tiptoety talk 05:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, the test is one test once you have completed all of the courses, meaning that you are unable to take the test right now. As for the supage, if you go to the bottom of this page there is a subpage creation box, where it says "YOURUSERNAME" put in Cro0016 and then click create page. Hope that answers your questions, cheers , Tiptoety talk 05:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, I took a quick glance at the article about Chloe O’Brien, the first thing that i noticed was a lack of sources, which in articles about people fictional or not sources are the most important aspect to them, and ultimately will save them from deletion. Statements such as "Chloe continues to grow as a person with the introduction of a love interest" are on the verge of WP:POV and need to have a very sting source to verify that type of statement. Overall I think the article looks good, with good pictures and layout. Though it may be to wordy, including things she does that are not quite......notable, but you are the author, I will let you be a judge of that. I will take a look at the other article in a bit. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 05:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, that article looks to be a pretty good one to base it off of. On the topic of removing content from an article and when you are not sure what to remove, discuss it on the articles talk page, so that other users involved in editing that page can put their 2 cents in. Remember when discussing removing content from an article do not use the term "delete" but instead merge sections or remove unhelpful content....it sounds better to users who do not like to remove content. Also when it comes to cleanup, my hope is that you will cleanup the article to the point that you would feel comfortable removing the {{cleanup}} tag. The purpose is to show you real life hands on stuff, not just what I want you to do. SO, clean the page up to the fullest extent possible, see Wikipedia:Cleanup process for the proper way to cleanup a page. Tiptoety talk 22:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Welcome back! I do hope that your wedding was nice! You are most certainly able to cast your opinion on anyones request for adminship, you do not have to be a admin to do so! Also you are able to chose any 15 articles that you think need cleanup, the goal is just to benefit the project! Cheers, Tiptoety talk 03:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • When reading an article, if you notice it looks bad, has a typo or two, could be placed in a better category, could do with an image, has a copyvio that needs fixing, than fix it. All i am really asking you to do is improve the quality of the article by doing more tedious behind the scenes type of work, not add content, but just fix minor issues. Hope that helps. The navigation bar code can be found here, if you would like to have one i know a few users who can create one for you lickedy split! Tiptoety talk 03:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that would constitute cleanup, but if you see other issues such as articles in wrong category's, or see a tag on an article that says it has no sources when it does fix those too. Let me get back to you on the navigation bar, i got to ask a few other editors. Tiptoety talk 03:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, than it looks like you are off to a good start, but remember you need 15 articles to pass the assignment. That lesson is also optional, so if you want to skip it you can :). I will talk to some users about it. Tiptoety talk 04:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • My suggestion is that you just start right now, instead of counting the ones you did in the past. That way you will gain more experience. Though i can go through your contribs and add them up if you like. Tiptoety talk 04:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, you can count those as your 15, that is fine. Tiptoety talk 05:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Naw, just go ahead and answer them, I trust you. And anyways, you will still have to take a test on it, so even if you cheat (i know you did not) it will show on your test. Tiptoety talk 05:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can see how you did on my talk page. Tiptoety talk 05:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure! (I am still working on getting you someone who is better at wiki code than me to create one for you). Tiptoety talk 05:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Create a sub page with a list of all your sub pages on it (if that makes sense).Then place a link from your userpage to it. Tiptoety talk 06:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm, well it is an improvement. It may be helpful to read: WP:NOT#PLOT. Also there are a whole lot of under or un sourced statements withing the article. But like I said, it is an improvement from before :) Tiptoety talk 19:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good work! I had actually already taken a peek at it :p . I like that you are using it to make something constructive opposed to "just getting the assignment done". Tiptoety talk 23:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I saw your message, I am just rather busy right now. The whole "table" thing is not my expertises, but i can help you if you want. Also the article needs to just talk about the actions the person did that are notable, not a step by step play of the whole show. And yes you are able to use external sources to cite the article. Tiptoety talk 00:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, no, please do not take it the wrong way. I want to help you, and always want you to ask questions, I was just letting you know my responses may not be the quickest due to other issues I am also involved in. So, ware where we..... :)Tiptoety talk 00:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Overall it looks really good, here are a few things i would like to see: external links, a Strike through, font size (small and big), and an in text reference.Tiptoety talk 01:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Like how they do it here. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 04:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done. Good work, looks great! Tiptoety talk 05:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, consider that assignment complete. You are more than welcome to continue using it, that was the point of the assignment. Tiptoety talk 05:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well any of the optional courses, or you could do the next required assignment which is Vandalism 1.1. Tiptoety talk 05:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, so when you get to a section titled "revert" make sure that it states underneath that it relates to IE, and not firefox. Simple as that, :) Tiptoety talk 05:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Hayes

Steve Crossin, sorry for the late reply. I will be going on a wikibreak for a short time and I will only check once in a while to make minor edits. Meanwhile I suggest cutting down a bulk of the plot. I recommend that you just mention that she marries Bill Buchanan and that her views often conflict with those of Tom Lennox with brevity. Be sure to put in the sources that you found because they look really good. мirаgeinred سَراب ٭ (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFC

I already replied once. Please reply to this as I’m going to be archiving the old material on my talk page. --MiB-24 (talk) 01:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sure, but I didn't know when you would be back on. Anyway, I don't think it will really be an issue anymore. As lucy-marie is now taking a long wiki-break, I don't think we really need an RFC about her conduct. However, some articles do need improvement, such as Chloe O'Brian, it really should be similar to Nadia Yassir. Would you agree? We can't just have plot summarries for the characters, unfortunately. Steve Crossin (talk) 02:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Don't let the break talk fool you. TunaSushi (talk) 21:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes I often wonder why it is even worth it. After all, someone can always find a Wiki-rule and get away with merger/deletion of a page. I just had a page I’ve worked on for months jacked by someone who spewed a Wiki-rule as his excuse. (Typical) My free time is fairly limited (MA programs suck up a lot of time) so I don’t really have it to spend on dozens of pages. I can help when a page is threatened, but the amount of time needed to do proper researching is more than I have right now. As for Lucy, she’ll be back and right back to her merger-mania again. Whether it is next week or 6 months, it doesn’t matter. She won’t drop it. Sadly, she is not the only threat. There are a lot of people who believe Wikipedia should not have any pages about fictional characters/events and constantly try to get rid of them. --MiB-24 (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I definetly know the Mike Doyle (24 character) page is threatened, and personally, I think that page will be merged. I've moved a copy of the Chloe O'Brian article to my sandbox, so I can work on it myself, without worry of it being reverted constantly. Agreed, ive just fininshed a Degree in Computer Engineering, it takes up a massive amount of time. Some of the current 24 characters, whether we like it or not, simply are not notable, however merging them into one article is not solving any problems. I think the Mike Doyle article probably won't survive, if the Nadia Yassir article is merged, I'll explode. Have you seen the article? It shoulfn't be merged. Actually, I'm going to update the merge proposal, on the talk page, get opinions. I'd appreciate your input on that too, thanks. Steve Crossin (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously most characters don’t need their own page as they just are not important and I doubt anyone, even the most ardent supporters of having more “24” related pages, supports that idea. As for the page on Doyle, I don’t see how it can be notable. This isn’t to say that someone else might be able to find the needed material, but I haven’t seen it and I looked. When there is a character who I either do not believe is notable or I do not have an opinion on, I simply stay out of the debate. I refuse to back up the merger/deletion crowd, even once, because most of them act like jerks, but I won’t take a position I actually don’t support so I prefer to stay quiet. --MiB-24 (talk) 02:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mizrabot etc

I'm having trouble setting up MizaBotIII on my talk page, to automatically archive my talk page. I've set up the wiki code, its in my talk page, however I cannot get it to appear. Can someone help me? Steve Crossin (talk) 07:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cro0016. I have read through the instructions, and fixed anything that I consider might prevent it from working properly (I put things in the right order, and removed spaces in the archive address)
Please give it some time for results, and if it still doesn't work, ask again. Thanks
Rfwoolf (talk) 09:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Cro0016. If you look at the history of this page you'll see the Mizbot seems to have done some archiving for you. Go to the archive page mentioned and you should see the archives there. I suppose you would want to now provide a link to them? Rfwoolf (talk) 13:39, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the link: User_talk:Cro0016/Archive_2008_FebruaryRfwoolf (talk) 13:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warning removed

Apologies, you appear to have inadvertently restored vandalism. I've removed my warning from your page. SMC (talk) 10:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I actually thought the large removal of content from the article was vandalism, that was the reason I reverted it. My apologies. Steve Crossin (talk) 10:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, though the content appears to be completely unsourced (and maybe even a copyvio). I've reverted it to a previous good (when it was a stub) and given the user an unsourced warning. Easy mistake to make (you are actually correct - heavy removal/blanking is vandalism, except when the content is unsourced and the user keeps re-adding it), so no worries. SMC (talk) 10:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ocanter (talk) 13:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • That mistake happens t all of us, don't worry to much about it. Just make sure to do a reall good job checking to see if the content is indeed vandalism. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 15:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, all of that looks fine to me. Good work, and I know twinkle is a great tool, thats why I was hoping you would be able to use FireFox. As for the vandalism to your usertalk page, don't get to worried about it, it happens very often when you are working recent changes patrol. Just revert it and give the user a proper warning, (I am not saying you did) but never reply to them with an attack or uncivil message, it only makes it worse. Cheers, Tiptoety talk 16:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Huh, I have never used any other skin than "monobook". To my knowledge that is the only one that works with WP:TW, you could always ask that question at WP:HELPDESK, there may be someone there better suited to answer that question. Tiptoety talk 19:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, the reason I beat you was because I have the technical ability to rollback, but you know all about that...you passed that lesson. Actually for the vandalism 1.1 lesson, you are not required to actually preform recent change patrols, but I am glad to see you doing so! :) There are a list of questions at the bottom of the assignment that you must answer to pass the lesson. (I hope you like your knew userpage) Tiptoety talk 04:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No....you do not have rollback which is a user permission that must be given to you by a administrator. Remember your permissions lesson? Twinkle does kind of the same thing but slower. And yes, cluebot is fast :). Huh, the logos...not sure...have you asked User:The Chronic? Tiptoety talk 04:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm, that is a very poor question....okay let me re-phrase:
  1. What are obvious indicators of a vandalism edit while watching recent changes? Tiptoety talk 05:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, you can answer the questions gradually. Tiptoety talk 05:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Soverign Grace Ministries

Yes, I would agree. The article needs some work with references. Thanks for tagging it. - Rjd0060 (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

reverting my user page

Think nothing of it--I am just pleased that you were on the ball! Cheers --Axiosaurus (talk) 17:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

user:Kalindoscopy

they reverted your warning from their page, and keep repeatedly deleting things... both from their page and in fact mine. I think something is going on with this user... Crystalclearchanges (talk) 20:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the fact that they removed your warning is unnallowed, and counts as vandalism. Crystalclearchanges (talk) 20:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I removed my comments from the above user's page after reading the allegations against them. Hopefully all the edits they've made will be screened. As for my own user:talk page... I'll edit it as I please. golden bells, pomegranates, prunes & prisms (talk) 21:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Userpage

Hello. Your adopter, Tiptoety, asked me to redo your userpage for him. I've done so, and I hope you like it. If you want any aspect of it fixed, don't hesitate to ask! The Chronic 03:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A whole list of icons can be found at Commons:Category:Nuvola icons. The Chronic 03:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback

Don't get him mad. Seriously.

Hello, thanks for your interest in vandal fighting, good job. Before I set you the bit, I'd just like one issue clarified. I saw you rvv'ing people for removing warnings from their own user talk pages, and in one case even adding another warning-about-removing-warnings on top of it. Please don't do that, that's not our policy. Maybe somebody told you something misleading about this, but current policy consensus is people are generally free to remove warnings (or other posts for that matter) from their own talk pages. Removing them is a sign they've read them.

Another (unrelated) thing, I have to ask you not to keep non-free images on your user page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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