Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daylight Origins Society

Daylight Origins Society

Obscure creationist organisation that does not meet WP:ORG. Sourced almost-solely been to their own webpage, with the sole exception being brief tangential mention by the National Center for Science Education (which, given its focus, routinely mentions very minor creationists and creationist organisations). Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 04:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. —Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 04:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I just added two more third-party refs, the Kolbe Center and Nature (UK) science magazine. This may not be the most notable organization in the whole world, but it has been publishing a quarterly journal since 1991, has drawn noisy fire from anti-Creationist journals, and is peopled with Creationists who have biographies online at Wikipedia.

Comment: The Kolbe Center ref merely mentions that Nevard is the secretary of DOS, and given that both he and Giertych are on the KC's advisory council, the independence of this source is questionable. The Nature ref is merely "correspondence", in response to earlier correspondence from Giertych ~~and (if Google Scholar is to be believed) makes no direct mention of DOS. Therefore neither source adds any notability.~~ Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 06:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Kolbe Center page was used to source Nevard's role as the editor of the Daylight magazine -- information that had not previously been in the article, and which i believed did need a source. Questioning the "independence" of that source is disingenuous as there is no mention of a connection or a relationship betwen Giertych and the DOS on the Kolbe page -- just the fact of Nevard being the journal editor, which is hardly controversial! The Nature ref does indeed mention the DOS, and if you don't subscribe to Nature, a regular google-snippet will still reveal the mention, as i demontrated on the DOS talk page and will copy here:

Nature A timely wake-up call as anti-evolutionists publicize their views ... a seminar held in Brussels at the European Parliament on ... the Daylight Origins Society, ... www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7120/full/444679a.html - Similar pages

Cheers, cat yronwode Catherineyronwode (talk) 08:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The non-notable secretary of this non-notable organisation is also the editor of its non-notable magazine -- trivial coverage.

Google Scholar clearly was in error -- however, on tracking down a full-text copy of this correspondence, I see that the only mention it makes of DOS is that Giertych is an honorary member of it -- again trivial coverage.

Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I'd like to see this kept just to keep tabs on these organisations, but the article clearly fails WP:ORG as it does not appear to have been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. On that basis I must support deletion unless good sources can be found. . . dave souza, talk 12:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep This AFD has no foundation and has been motivated by a sense of retaliation for [[1]]. --Firefly322 (talk) 13:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]