Talk:List of songs in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

Possible citation "cleanup" suggestion.

I know that RB and GH have been sharing some aspects when it comes to the presentation of certain materials, and one thing I was noticing that differentiates is that GH keeps citations for content once it's been released, whereas RB only keeps it until the content is available for purchase. My question is, is either "right" or "wrong"? I see a few "citation needed" tags for PSN dates that have been around a while, and I'm wondering if that can be removed at this time. I can understand keeping references for the Companion pack and the Dream On download since neither appears to be available anymore. As far as the other references, we have the footnotes regarding "limited availability" "XBox exclusive" and "free"...which could be where the references are moved to. It's just a suggestion, I can live with it as is, just thinking it may be possible to clean things up a bit. TRTX (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Soundtrack bonus songs

If I was to buy the soundtrack, what 3 songs would I get for redeeming the special code? I believe we need to clarify this so people know what 3 songs they get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.53.200 (talk) 09:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

"The Friends at Daniel's House" Track Pack

Just to inform you guys that I removed some spam titled "The Friends at Daniel's House" Track Pack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticLyman (talk • contribs) 16:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Don't forget to sign your posts (add ~~~~ at the end of them). Also, you don't have to tell us when you revert vandalism. Good job though. Oren0 (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The Pot

I thought that 'The Pot' by Tool (band) was one of the songs available for download..... Tool-apc (talk) 20:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Def Leppard pack coming April 24

http://news.filefront.com/def-leppard-dlc-coming-to-xbl-and-psn-april-24/ Somebody want to add it? -000 (talk) 03:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I only see confirmation of the songs (from the artist's quote), but no date confirmation. Just "word on the street" TRTX ^{T / C} 04:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I've found confirmation through a few more sources that include dates (though they're only for 360 at the momenth), so I've updated the page. If anybody finds a Press Release or news that verifies if it's on the PS3 or not that'd be great! TRTX ^{T / C} 18:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Remove Major Nelson references

Could we switch out Major Nelson references for more reliable references? According to List of songs in Guitar Hero and List of songs in Guitar Hero II, Major Nelson is not considered a reliable source. Gary King (talk) 06:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The only time I've seen Major Nelson used as a source is when there's a 360 DLC announcement. In that regards he'd be reliable. Comparring the GH list to the RB list though, does the DLC that's readily available need any references at all? If it's readily visible in the store, then we really don't need a source to prove it's there. I'd recommend removing references for DLC that's available. TRTX ^{T / C} 13:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It's be needed for date of availability. However, between the various reliable gaming websites, replacing the MNelson blog should be not a huge problem. --MASEM 13:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

"Lead" more appropriate for Guitar Hero article?

The new lead is is well written and very informative, but would it more appropriate for the general Guitar Hero (series) article? This is simply a list of songs in the game, while the series article would be a discussion of common gameplay elements. TRTX ^{T / C} 13:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The list (for a Featured List) shouldn't be too heavily dependant on other articles, so, at least as cited for the other lists we brought to FL quality, a short descriptive lead of the gameplay is not inappropriate for this. --MASEM 13:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Requesting edit lock

This page is getting out of hand with vandalism. I would like to request a temporary edit lock, so that the vandalism can stop. It is only temporary so that new, valid, information may be added when need be. Something needs to be done about this.

Thegibbonator (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with gibbonator. It's getting very out of control. ChaosVonGin (talk) 03:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I also agree that this list needs to be locked or at least partially locked, specifically for vandalism issues.DecimatorQ (talk) 05:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"revolverhead" vs. "Revolverhead"

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) includes a section on terms that begin with lowercase letters. The rule is to capitalize the first letter as normal, unless in cases such as eBay or iPod where the next letter is capitalized as well. This discussion came up in the Rock Band list (bands such as Vagiant, Kiss, etc) and this rule was applied there as well. TRTX ^{T / C} 23:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

"Finland Track Pack"

I have found no proof that the Finland Track Pack exists. The source used on the 360 release date is an old reference from DLC released back in 2007. The original edit was made here, and I suspect was a vandal edit. I've since removed it, but figured I'd include a note here since the previous version incorrectly identified the first removal as vandalism. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: I've checked out the FurbyParade226's history. Looks to be a vandal account: Evidence. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Guitar Hero II Songlist table style?

The Guitar Hero II track list article is much more intuitive, listing the tracks by artist. It also allows for sorting by other criteria. This would easily translate here as folks could sort the list according to Career or Coop Career. Those fields would be left blank if it does not appear in that mode, thus everything would sort correctly. Teancum (talk) 15:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Teancum

It would be a pretty big project, but it could be worthwhile to have the four GH games have a uniform songlist style. I'd recommend using the sandbox to set it up prior to making the changes in the article, however. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This was my next target after making sure the 80s list gets to Featured. (With that, we now should be able to propose a Feature Topic for Guitar Hero). However, if someone wants to take the lead, be my guest. Sandboxing the list as you develop it helps a lot. --MASEM 17:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

If anyone is interested, I started User:Masem/GHIIIList to sandbox the list conversion, with it being relatively easy. (For the songs with rhythm guitar, I used the † symbol previously instead of italics). If anyone wants to finish this off for the main setlist, be my guest. --MASEM 20:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Def Leppard Tracks

Apparently the Def Leppard tracks are live versions. So how are you guys going to handle that? I think there should be some sort of ref to mark that 2 of the songs are live versions. Scuzzinator (talk) 13:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Does the game treat a live version any different? If it doesn't I'd think it's the same as a master track. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

In the game is marks it at (Live) after the name of the song. I think it is cool, just thought it should be added so people would know it wasn't a master and it was live. Scuzzinator (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

So it's like "Photograph (Live)" or something? If it does that we should record it. Just like the "(Inspired by Charlie Daniels Band)" thing. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 16:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it says "Photograph (Live)" by Def Leppard 1993, and "Rock of Ages (Live)" by Def Leppard, 1993. Of course the new track is a master, since it is new. Scuzzinator (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture removal

People are removing the use of pictures on these lists. I will note that when I worked on getting the other GH setlists through featured lists candidacy, one issue they had was that the lists were rather bland without pictures, so thus by adding free images (as to not bring in non-free use), as long as they were appropriate, did help to make the lists appear better. In the same reasoning here, the images (both free from Commons) are being used to help spruce up this list prior to taking it to FLC. Since they are free, there's nothing wrong with there use compared to if they were non-free images, and they are of notable groups from the game. --MASEM 20:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

To me the pictures seem rather out of place. I've seen plenty of Wikilists that are just that... a list. The facts included with the pictures seem more appropriate in the game's main article. Comparred to how the lists looked previously, these are becoming more difficult to navigate and evaluate. At one point, somebody comparred the songlists to a game/movie soundtrack. To that extent, I think we're turning this article into something it's not. If anything, the articles would almost seem more appropriate to be modeled after a CD article. Example: Shrek soundtrack -- TRTX ^{T / C} 00:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Not quite - an article on an album is an article, not a list, so the focus is not necessarily the tracks on the album but how the album was created and received. In this case, this list is just that, a list; yes, we are approaching it like a discography in that we're making it as easy as possible for a user to see if a song is part of the game while still having the order sorted for the player of the game.

In any case, for featured lists, pictures appropriate to the topic are recommended. Since both pictures are free from commons, there's no non-free issues to worry about, so these would be needed to pass FL for this. --MASEM 13:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Understandable. Though I think there's some validity to take elements from a soundtrack article and apply those here. Especially when you have some information such as bands re-recording songs for inclusion, or in the case of Def Leppard releasing a song to a game prior to releasing it commericially. I almost think music games (or at least GH and RB) could be wrapped into a project that would be able to better discuss the approaches to take. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

GoW Song

PS3 owners will have a free God of War song available on June 5th.Story here. There's no official word on which song, so I'm not sure how to add it into the new DLC layout. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The song in-game is credited as "being performed by" God of War II, though developers from Neversoft re-recorded it with electric guitar work, an uncommon element in the God of War music, thus making it longer. I added a link to a video of gameplay from a user on YouTube - An in my opinion very reliable source - to show the fact that it's a re-recording, yet not a "true" master track. The people who have played GoW II should notice that. A Powerful Weakness (talk) 12:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC) A Powerful Weakness

If that's how it's credited in game that's how it's credited here. RB and GH both note re-recordings, but the consensus has always been credit it as it's displayed in game. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 00:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

DLC Content Count

I've been updating the DLC content to include released track packs (not announced, since they aren't actually available yet). The lead on this list notes that Dream On, Halo MJOLNIR, and the Companion Pack are not counted. My question is, should they be counted? I'm very ambivalent on this issue, but I thought I'd bring it up to see what everyone else thinks. Crazydiamond1to9 (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I found it to be nitpicking in the first place, although I do understand the reasoning. The article currently says "number of available songs" apparently meaning (to me anyway) the number of songs you can get at THIS time. In that interpretation I agree to exclude "Dream On" since that is no longer downloadable (hate them for it btw :P) The Companion Pack should still be available for downloading provided you get a code that hasn’t been used yet, or re-download using your original code (which I assume can be done, I’m not sure however). "Halo MJOLNIR" is still available for download so I see no reason to exclude it for an "available tracks list", this was probably originally done because it wasn’t available for PS3, however with "The End Begins" the numbers are equal again. Adding seperate numbers for Xbox and PS3 versions should clear this up once and for all. Which Im going to do right now (not changing the number itself mind you, just adding the fact that both versions CAN have a different total)

Summarizing: I feel that the Companion Pack should be counted, as well as the Halo theme (probably with a note about it only being available for Xbox 360 and there being a PS3 exclusive game-theme track, "Dream On" should not be counted since it is no longer available for download.

However I think this whole matter can be resolved much simpler, by changing it from an "available for download-list" to a "total numbers available for play-list", or at least making it more obvious that that is what it means. OmikronWeapon (talk) 10:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Five track packs in June? Two still to come? (Finland Pack Redux)

Is anyone picking up on this one? The Finland track pack link led me to this little post [1]. If this is found to be a reliable source, or if there’s some other source available, the article states that Activision themselves announced a total of five (I leave that to the Wikipedia experts) shouldn’t the fact that more packs are on the way be added, even though it’s not yet clear which ones? If Motörhead is counted as the first, then Isle of Wright is second and Coldplay is third, meaning at least two more are due this June (not counting "The End Begins" as that is a single and not an actual pack) One of the other two might even actually BE the elusive Finland track pack. Something I would like to know about, seeing how there have been pretty long dry-spells along the way. OmikronWeapon (talk) 11:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Getting this page to FLC

Now that the first three GH game soundtracks are Featured Lists I want to start to get this one to the same point (even though we are continuing to add to it with new trackpacks). In general, this is pretty close without much work, but we need to make sure our sources avoid, if possible, Major Nelson's blog for song release dates (though he is acceptable if that's the only source that says that). My goal is that I want to have the GH series as a Featured Topic after Aerosmith is out but before World Tour, and that just means quality control for most GH articles. --MASEM 18:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

DLC release dates should be merged with the song list

I think the DLC release dates should be merged with the song list, like Rock Band. You're just duplicating the track pack names twice. If you merge, the track pack names are only there once. Also, what's the point of having checks for master recordings. It's a waste of a column and would be better suited if you just bolded the names like before. Ultrabasurero (talk) 12:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

This is something that's been promoted as part of getting the page to FLC status. Personally it feels redundant (as you say). One thing I would like to see is a smaller font size so that the info "seems" more clean than it does now. I think then we could consider doing some format changes. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Free Releases

Would it be worth noting which of the releases where/are given away for free? There were only a few that were free. Let me know what some of the rest of you think, please.

The Halo Theme exclusive to XBox 360 is free.

The God of War 2 Theme exclusive to Playstation 3 is free.

"We Three Kings" by Steve Ouimette is free as a Christmas release for Xbox 360/PS3.

The Dropkick Murphys Track Pack is free for a St. Patricks Day release for Xbox 360/PS3.

Protektor35 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Isn't The "Top Gun Anthem" a free song too? UltimateSin01 (talk) 17:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Top Gun Anthem and I Am Murloc. 201.231.180.10 (talk) 23:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we could have a column that says "Free" and there could be a yes or no next to each song, or a "Price" column with the price in MSP (or Free if it applies.) 71.233.22.130 (talk) 15:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

GH3 Mobile Song List

Ok, seriously, what is the GH3 Mobile song list doing on this page? That list is already on its own page and all of the references for the GH3 soundtrack have been removed! Somebody clean this up! DecimatorQ (talk) 16:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

see Wikipedia_talk:VG#Guitar_Hero_as_featured_topic_-_nearly_there for discussion about GHIII Mobile soundtrack merge. I don't think I care for it like this either, since I consider Mobile to be a completely separate game from GHIII. To me, it makes as much sense as Merging 80s with GHII. Crazydiamond1to9 (talk) 00:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I have taken them out (but kept the format) - it doesn't really work well. --MASEM 01:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Pack release dates

I think that whomever cleaned up the table got rid of most of the references for the releases of track packs - these need to be included (as there's no original source that lists all released tracks besides us.) I will try to do this myself but if anyone is inclined, the references can be found in this revision. --MASEM 01:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Dragonforce DLC

The Dragonforce DLC will reportedly contain the song “Heroes of Our Time” from their newest album “Ultra Beatdown”, as well as the songs “Operation Ground and Pound” and “Revolution Deathsquad” from their album “Inhuman Rampage”. The DLC is set for release on August 25. UltimateSin01 (talk) 10:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Companion Pack no longer Xbox exclusive

The new software update on August 7th allows PS3 owners to buy the companion pack now. Can we remove the Xbox exclusive sign from those songs?Demoman87 (talk) 18:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

We need a source to confirm this - I haven't seen anything that says this. --MASEM 18:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Here you go -- TRTX ^{T / C} 22:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Metallica DLC

Shouldnt the date be put as september 12 because thats when the album comes out and they have said it will come out the same day

This is the message from Metallica themselves[2]

Additional DLC through Best Buy w/ Death Magnetic

Best Buy ad

I think if I'm reading this is that the "11 bonus tracks" mentioned are really the Death Magnetic tracks, being a free purchase via the card they will give you as part of the album (so you don't have to pay for it yourself), as opposed to 11 completely new non-Death Magnetic tracks. If it is how I read it, nothing changes, but if something different, we may have more songs to add. --MASEM 14:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, there are 10 songs on the album. If this for the songs from the album, then what is the 11th song? I'm thinking that you get the 10 songs from the album plus a bonus song. As far as I'm aware, there is no special edition of the album that contains an additional song. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 15:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Take note that the graphic of the CD cover shows the promotional sticker, which shows both the GHIII logo AND the GHWT logo. Further investigation may be needed to see if this promotion will extend to both games. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Dropkick Pack

It no longer appears to be available. 24.226.23.56 (talk) 05:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to the 360 or PSN. Or both? I can't confirm it myself at the moment but it would help in searching for refs. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I just checked the Xbox Live Marketplace and I do not see it in the list of content. Groudon199 (talk) 21:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

OP here, at my friends house right now. It's not there. I guess it was removed as limited time content. I'm gonna go through the marketplace and double check to make sure which packs are still there and which ones aren't. 24.226.23.56 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)