User talk:Truthbody

AfD nomination of Dorje Shugden

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AfD nomination of New Kadampa Tradition

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September 2008

Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the article Western Shugden Society has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. This refers to this edit summary - "removed as it is irrelevant to the WSS, they are different organizations and you are trying to smear Geshe Kelsang's name)" Please note that you should not "verbally attack" or make accusations against other editors. "You are trying to smear Geshe Kelsang's name" is an accusation that is not acceptable. In addition removing sourced content because you don't happen to agree with it or like it is not a valid reason for removing content. Also, the content you removed about the background and the DSC is perfectly relevant. Please do not remove it again. As it is clear, from your edits and your profile that you are a follower of Geshe Kelsang, the NKT and WSS, I would urge you to read the following article thoroughly Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Whilst it is great that you wish to contribute to wikipedia and to the article about the WSS, please bear in mind that articles need to be neutral. They are not there to promote one particular view or a group. In addition using the WSS website as a source - it is what is known as a primary source and as such "Wikipedia articles should rely on reliable, published secondary sources. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors". You have added highly POV content to the article and I would urge you to stop doing so. Adding "the anti-WSS" about a website is not acceptable. I have amended some of your recent edits partly because of use of a primary source and also for other reasons such as neutraility etc. Thank you and happy editing. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 14:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the abovr, you have edited the section about other Buddist groups views on the WSS so that it now reads as totally the opposite. That section is meant to show other views about the WSS and not how the WSS react to those views only. You need to be a lot more careful with your editing. I have restored that section to what it should be. Please do not change it again to somthing that it should not be.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 15:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Tangerines, I'll take on board the points you make here. I have read that Wiki article about conflict of interest and am being careful about neutrality -- actually I have no wish to use this article to promote the WSS, I would just like the information to be accurate. I am trying to follow the example of the George Bush article, which seems to be to be a perfect wiki article. I do know a great deal of factual information about this subject, and feel the need to share it. I replaced "Buddhist" with "anti-WSS" for Tenzin Peljor's website because it is not a Buddhist website but full of anti-WSS propaganda which figures very prominently on this article -- however, I agree that we can just leave any adjectives out about it. I was clumsy with the other Buddhist groups views section, my mistake, and have tried to show the other point of view as many of these perceptions were solicited by Tenzin Peljor in a move to discredit the WSS, but those solicited for comment did not know the peaceful nature of the demonstrations. Also, the inaccurate comment by the ASA about ordination I believe does not belong on this article at all, but if you want to leave it there, I must be allowed to answer it. (Truthbody (talk) 18:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

When you say, "I must be allowed to answer it", wikipedia articles are not for discussion, that is what talk pages are for. You have to be very careful when editing. I note however that yet again you have ignored the In use tag and gone ahead and made a number of edits, completely disregarding the tag and my two requests above for you to wait until the tag has been removed before editing. I have therefore rollbakced all your latest edits and would for a third and hopefully final time ask you to wait until the tag is removed before editing. Thank you.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 18:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you make those requests? I didn't see them. How does one go about adding a tag like that to an article? Please can you put my edits back in once you are done editing or let me know how I can do it quickly. I have been editing in good faith and don't have time to keep doing the same edits again. (Truthbody (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Firstly, my apologies, it was Atishas Cook who earler edited on the article and who I asked not to. However, regardless of that, the in use tag does very clearly say "This article is actively undergoing a major edit for a short while. As a courtesy, please do not edit this page while this message is displayed." And making nine big edits while the tag is on only creats edit conflicts.

With regard to some of your edits - US State Department Report by Special Agent Brockoman is not a fully verifiable third party source. Sources need to be verifiable which that as you have entered it most definitely is not. The comment by John Rees Burgess is not even sourced. I have tried to verify both the US State Dep't comment and the Human Rights Lawyer comments but there is nothing on google about John Rees Burgess that I can find. I would ask you to read some articles about editing on wikipedia - WP:RS, WP:VER and WP:CITE. There is no point keep adding the content how you are doing (is unsourced) as it will be removed every time. There is some more content in the "other buddhist group views" section which I will also remove. I put the fact tags on them anyway so may as well remove them. When you say you don't have the time to keep doing edits again, wikipedia is not going anywhere, and there is no huge rush to do any of this, but you need to work with other users and not disregard in use tags. Patience.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 18:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I am at it, I did ask on Atishas Cooks page, and will also ask you - You may be able to help with this - I presume that the WSS intention is to protest at all talks given by the Dalai Lama (while this is going on of course)? If so then the last protest that I can find reported was in August. Are there any recent protests or planned? (*) I am wary of adding full details of future protests as it could be construed as adding "promotional material", but feel that something should be added. Is there anything on the WSS site? Also, if there are any pictures from protests that are added in the correct format then the article would benefit from a couple of pitures in my opinion. For instance, personal photos from any of the protests.

(*)I've been told that the Dalai Lama has since cancelled all his remaining engagements this year. If so is that at all related or relevant to the article to add perhaps? Thank you.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 19:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]