Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2008 September 15
September 15
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- This ship badge is incorrectly classified as being in the public domain. Although HMAS Protector (1884) was commissioned in 1884 and decommissioned from military service in 1924, the ship badge format used for this image was not created until after World War II (see Naval_heraldry#Royal_Australian_Navy) This specific version of the RAN ship badge would have been created after 1975. Therefore, it is very unlikely that the image is in the public domain. The image could be relicensed to match other RAN ship badge images, but the ship involved never wore the badge (the ship was sunk in 1943), so use in the article would be incorrect. No other ship of the RAN has carried the name or is likely to, so keeping this image serves no purpose. -- saberwyn 07:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- The WP:Music Samples guideline recommends that except in exceptional cases, music samples should be no longer than 30 seconds and less than 10% of the length of the track. In this case, the track is 3:50 (230 seconds) so the sample should be < 23 seconds long. This sample provides no reason to exceed the guideline. BigrTex 00:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- The WP:Music Samples guideline recommends that except in exceptional cases, music samples should be no longer than 30 seconds (and less than 10% of the length of the track). This sample provides no reason to exceed the guideline. BigrTex 00:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Delete - Khemerak has a history of uploading images that blatantly infringe copyrights; it's likely this isn't self made, as he claims. Parsecboy (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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- The use rationale says, “This TIME Magazine cover shows the three stars of the Broadway production of Three Sisters in 1943, a production so illustrious that it was deemed important enough to make it to the cover of TIME.” This fails WP:NFCC#1, for the same encyclopedic purpose would be served by saying the same in text. It also fails WP:NFCC#8, for the article is perfectly understandable without the image. —teb728 t c 02:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Fails WP:NFCC#1, for the same encyclopedic purpose would be served by saying that the subject of the article was so important that it was featured on the cover of TIME. It also fails WP:NFCC#8, for the articles are perfectly understandable without the image. This image’s minimal non-free use rationale alleges that the articles provide critical commentary on the cover. The only “critical commentary I find is the captions such as “Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder on the cover of the October 25, 1993 issue of the popular magazine Time, as part of the feature article discussing the rising popularity of grunge.” This is not enough critical commentary to justify even fair use much less the far more restrictive requirements of WP:NFCC. —teb728 t c 03:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - The caption provided along with the image notes a particular controversy between the band and TIME magazine over the use of Vedder's image on the front. This is one part of the band's growing feud with mainstream media at the time, and it is indeed integral to the reader's understanding of the controversy and the reasons behind it. Tarc (talk) 15:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. So include the caption into the body of the article. The article doesn't need the image to convey that.
—teb728 t c 22:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - This image is a good illustration for the "grunge explosion" and all the media hype that came with it. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 09:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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- The use rationale says the purpose of the use is, "To illustrate the national emphasis on Scouting in the 1930s." This fails WP:NFCC#1, for the same encyclopedic purpose would be served by saying the same in text. It also fails WP:NFCC#8, for the articles are perfectly understandable without the image. —teb728 t c 03:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- KeepThe one article is about the history of boy scouts and the image does help convey that message. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep The magazine image does illustrate the history of the boy scout movement. It is not at all out of scope. --Leoboudv (talk) 09:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per the reasons stated above. Also, I think that in the future nominator might be better served not being so nitpicky. Philly jawn (talk) 17:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep The fact that this cover is a painting gives it additional significance, insofar as the artist has captured the subject's facial expression and uniformed demeanor: this is key to his portrayal by a prominent news magazine of the time as a national youth leader. JGHowes talk - 20:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- The use rationale says the purpose of the use is, “To illustrate the cultural significance of the 1986 film Aliens, as shown by its selection for the cover of a national news magazine” This fails WP:NFCC#1, for the same encyclopedic purpose would be served by saying the same in text. It also fails WP:NFCC#8, for the articles are perfectly understandable without the image. —teb728 t c 04:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. The image illustrates visually what words alone cannot convey. Saying "it was the cover story" is simply a statement of fact. Showing the cover image displays how prominently Time chose to feature the film, including showing the lead actress, the monster, and the declaration that it was "the summer's scariest movie". Time being a highly notable and respected publication, using the image to illustrate their acclaim of the film conveys the public reception and notability of the film in a way that words alone do not. Per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images #8: "if the cover itself is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, and if the cover does not have its own article, it may be appropriate." That is clearly the case here, as the cover itself is the subject of critical commentary in the article (see Aliens (film)#Reviews) and the cover does not have its own article. As such, this image would be impossible to replace with a free image that conveys the same information. If you want to continue the ongoing discussion at NFC discussing the appropriateness of these types of cover images, that's fine, but nominating several such images ([1] [2] [3]) using the same rationale ("the same encyclopedic purpose would be served by saying the same in text", "the articles are perfectly understandable without the image") while the discussion is ongoing does not strike me as the best show of faith. Alien (film) has passed a GA review and both Grunge music and Pearl Jam have passed FA reviews; these include reviewing image use in the articles, and the cover images were deemed appropriately used in each. --IllaZilla (talk) 06:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- The guideline at WP:NFC#Images 2 #8 does not supersede the policies WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8. The policy (and not the guideline) is the standard by which admins decide to keep or delete non-free images nominated for deletion. If you want to avoid the deletion of this image, you need to show that “no free equivalent [including text] is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose” and that the use “would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic.” That is the point of my deletion argument, and if you do not counter it, the image is sure to be deleted.
- It’s not relevant to the deletion of this image, but even your critical-commentary defense is invalid: The only mention of the cover at your “critical commentary” link is “Time Magazine featured the film on the cover of its July 28, 1986 issue, calling it the "summer's scariest movie".” This is critical commentary on the film not on the cover. Critical commentary on the cover would be something like saying the cover won an award or was plagiarized or was involved in a lawsuit.
- The articles you mention are fine articles, and they do not need the cover images to be so. The FA and GA reviews were reviews of the articles and not of the images. —teb728 t c 22:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- I disagree. The text describes the film's appearance on the magazine cover in direct relation to its reception and notability. The image significantly enhances understanding of this significance. Claiming NFCC #s 1&8 is a rather weak argument, as the aspects of those criteria you are basing the nomination on are rather subjective: "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by text without using the non-free content at all?", "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic." These seem subjective to me. I certainly believe that text alone does not adequately convey the importance of the film's appearance on the cover of Time, and I believe that having the image significantly increases readers' understanding of this significance (due in no small part to Time being a highly notable and respected publication, and its cover being instantly recognizeable to many people in North America). It appears that the editors below agree with me. The review criteria include reviewing the images to ensure that they meet the inclusion criteria (see WP:GACR & WP:FACR), so I believe this has been done. Believe me, I'm as much of a deletionist as you're likely to find, and generally quite strict about NFCC (having led the crusade against flagrant abuse of band logos), but even I feel this image is justified and this nomination is unnecessary. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. More fully explained by IllaZilla's reasoning, I also would like to support the keeping of this image. There is no free equivalent to visually show the major press coverage that Aliens (film) received. One point the article makes, and that was unique to this film, is that the lead, who was female, made the cover of one of the nation's top publications, and ultimately received a Best Actress nomination for her role. That this happened for a R-rated scifi action film, a genre usually ignored by mainstream press (or relegated to entertainment/review sections), is definitely a unique event, one not repeated before or since in popular memory. Making the cover of TIME, for a film itself, already is quite uncommon, but for a film of this category is virtually unheard of. Moreover, as IllaZilla has stated, it conveys further the public reception, it passed the GA review with the image in it, etc. Please keep this image, thank you. SynergyStar (talk) 07:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep for the reasons cited above. --Leoboudv (talk) 09:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Hobartimus (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, replaced by Image:CreatineSynthesis-GAMT.png, which fixed a typo in this image. JaGatalk 08:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, low res,
GIF format instead of preferred PNG or SVG,not likely to be useful JaGatalk 09:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, low res,
GIF format instead of preferred PNG or SVG,not likely to be useful JaGatalk 09:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC) - Comment The format of a particular image is not a valid argument for deletion. As long as the image is clear, that should be acceptable. If the image is orphaned, however, that could be a case for deletion. --Leoboudv (talk) 09:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, low res,
GIF format instead of preferred PNG or SVG,not likely to be useful JaGatalk 09:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, low res,
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Purely decorative episode screenshot of TV cartoon series, not embedded in analytic discussion, fails NFCC#8 Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphan, Image:Microsoft mappoint north america 2001 virtual globe.gif obsoleted by Image:MapPoint2009.png Travisl (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, replaced by higher resolution Image:Eszopiclone-2D-skeletal.png JaGatalk 18:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, low quality, containing structure errors that are fixed in replacement image Image:GA452DII.png. JaGatalk 19:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, has 7 and 9 in wrong positions, as seen by replacement image Image:Guannum2.png. JaGatalk 19:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- No source given. Also replaceable by a free image. Sandstein 20:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Fails WP:NFCC#1, for there are several free images at Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Insofar as the articles may wish to note that the Hungarian freedom fighter was Time’s Man of the Year, this could be done in text. It also fails WP:NFCC#8, for the articles are perfectly understandable without the image. The articles contain no critical commentary whatsoever on the cover. —teb728 t c 21:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- It's an obvious keep. This deletion proposal is absurd and should be delisted as such. Free use rationale was provided when the previous round of attempts at mass deletions. It is an absurd process that requires attention to the same image every few months every time someone decides that he has some extra hoops for others to jump through in addition to the previous 10. No the text will not "note that the Hungarian Freedom Fighter was Time’s Man of the Year" as I'm sure you are aware that it's not an actual real person but a drawing on the cover and such this would be absurd in the article. Since it's not an actual person but a concept art created to personify the Revolution no other alternatives exist. As such it is impossible to describe the exact picture in words or show an alternative, also consider that this is an Encyclopedia and not a collection of badly written statements designed to replace one time pictures of historical significance from more than 50 years ago. Hobartimus (talk) 21:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Strong keep. There is no other free image in the article of this type. This image is nothing less than representative of the reaction of Western press at the time of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. It is also a unique icon with several features of the event. It would be difficult to describe this cover in text. Ryanjo (talk) 00:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - if someone can show an available image that can better present the international significance of the Revolution, please do. Squash Racket (talk) 04:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Orphaned, replaced by higher-quality Image:HMX.png. JaGatalk 21:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Funny but useless "image" of the Goatse. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)