User talk:Kleinzach

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Dvořák media files

Hi again. Media files may be of course a great improving of the articles, however, I have some reservations to the recordings on Dvořák's page:

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This first one is absolutely unintelligible, the singer's voice is blurred, and whole recording gives us not good idea of Dvořák's cycle. However, isn't it better than nothing??

No. We've discussed this problem before. If the recording is not good, then IMO we should not use it. Unfortunately this has been made a 'featured sound'. If you want to get it deleted from the article and downgraded I'd be happy to review it. --Klein zach 10:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, a featured sound... You're right, I've found it. 100% support, but any musicological point of view. One opinion: ...very relaxing & good quality on the sound... It's not very relaxing for me to listen to it. The piano part is not bad, I have concerns particularly to the singer, as I described above. I've missed it... I think it's maybe good to have it here, but as one of the best media files on wikipedia?? In that case, almost every sound may be a featured sound:) What do you think about this recording? Thanks Vejvančický (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The recording quality is poor. It's distorted. (I haven't listen to all of it.) Musically it may be OK - but you will be a better judge of this. I don't know the work, the singer or have any Czech. --Klein zach 09:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The second representation of Dvořák's style is also rather amateur, a raw sound quality, bad dynamics and tuning... I'm not a critic, just a music fan, but I think, this is not really representative.

I agree I've deleted it from the Dvořák page. --Klein zach 10:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to admit, I often rather don't play the audio files, since the sound quality, as well as quality of the performance are bad. On the other hand, I know, it's not easy to find available recordings of better quality.

Where did you leave your 'remark'? --Klein zach 09:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry: ...a featured sound... You're right, I've found it. 100% support, but any musicological point of view. One opinion: ...very relaxing & good quality on the sound... It's not very relaxing for me to listen to it. The piano part is not bad, I have concerns particularly to the singer, as I described above. I've missed it... I think it's maybe good to have it here, but as one of the best media files on wikipedia?? In that case, almost every sound may be a featured sound:)

That "remark" is my opinion on the strange assessment of some featured sounds. We have complicated and very strict assessment of good and featured articles. It´s surprising for me, that bad and not appropriate recording is as well "featured". And moreover, its assessment is not sufficient. I´ll try to participate more actively in that area. Unfortunately, I contribute from several computers, and I cannot play the media files on my computer at this very moment. Vejvančický (talk) 07:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, now I understand - you just left your opinion here - nowhere else. Would you like to add it to Image talk:Ten Biblical Songs by Antonin Dvorak.ogg? We can then attempt to get it demoted.--Klein zach 08:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation sound clip

Another question: I would like to add the sound help (e.g. {{{2}}}^ⓘ) with Czech pronunciation to the Czech music related articles, but I simply don't know how. It may be useful improving, don't you think? Thanks. Have a nice day. Vejvančický (talk) 09:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this would be useful - but I don't know how to do it. I'll have a look and let you know if I find anything. --Klein zach 10:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to ask a question, got carried off looking for answer for this, and completely forgot what I was about to ask you... Oh well, I'll remember it. You can either use {{Audio-IPA|name of sound file|IPA notation|lang=Language}} or if you don't want the IPA you can use {{Audio|name of sound file|text to use as link to soundfile}}. Hope that helps! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you, I´ll try to do something with it. Kleinzach, I´ve left a short remark with a question on Dvořák´s "featured sound" above. Best. Vejvančický (talk) 08:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this O. K.?: (Jenůfa) (Czech)^ⓘ I've already added it to the article. Vejvančický (talk) 22:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't work for me. I'll ask §hep. --Klein zach 22:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! When you click the word/icon it brings up the file to open on my computer. I don't have anything that plays .ogg though, need to download something. But when I click on info it brings me to the sound page and plays excellently. If you have IE I'm pretty sure there's a Java Script problem so .ogg's won't play, but it works in Firefox and others. Nice file btw, very crisp. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

§hep: if you look above you'll see two .ogg files (e.g. carnival overture, op. 92.ogg) that play on this page without downloading the file. IMO that's what we need for the pronunciation. --Klein zach 07:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but that's not how articles work...pronunciations are always like that. If, for instance you have a song it would go under a media subheading with Template:Multi-listen item

But for it to be inline there is no play button. I was looking for an example and found Ohio, which has the same layout. Maybe this category will help? Sorry. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone was doing these short pronunciation clips before and they weren't configured like Ohio. I'll see if I can find an example. It simply isn't practical to expect people to download and then play them, it's too clunky, they won't do it. --Klein zach 23:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be more than happy to see it, I agree it's a bit different. But really if you have the right software all you do is click the link and click open. I'll keep an eye out as well. Best, §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible that my own configuration (Safari/Mac) has changed without my being aware of it. That might be the problem. --Klein zach 00:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm beginning to think it isn't my configuration. In the case of (Jenůfa) (Czech) I can get the sound if I click in info - but not if I use the sound symbol (which just start a download). --Klein zach 23:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A noite do castelo

I read the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (operas) and it reads: The name of the opera should be in its original language. There is NO EXCEPTION for Brazilian Portuguese. This is not spanish, French nor Italian, while the title is spelled with capital letters in the original language. Please respect the original language spelling!
You have also over looked the rules under Operas: original language titles. Pease do not change the title to reflect the wrong spelling!KerrBr (talk) 08:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please check Grove (Béhague, Gerard (1992), 'Gomes, Joao' in The New Grove Dictionary of Opera, ed. Stanley Sadie (London) ISBN 0-333-73432-7) and see the way it is capitalized there. WP doesn't capitalize foreign languages according to personal preferences but according to consistent editing styles. --Klein zach 08:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick reply, Kleinzack! In regards to your comment, just above, please, see the discussion page for the article. I am not subscribing to my "personal preference" but to the conventional spelling system of a language. Thank you for your attention. KerrBr (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia uses a particular (not necessarily the only) style of capitalization based on Grove (and the other print encyclopedias). We must be consistent and follow established WP practices - not so-called conventions. Using different systems at random is bad practice. --Klein zach 23:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great Gatsby

If you read this article you will see that it has an admittedly brief section on the opera. Thisd is the only ref to the Gatsby article in wikipedia. Thanks Markhh (talk) 02:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Please go ahead and split off the opera from the novel. Then there will be no problem. I'd do it myself but the opera is obscure and I don't have the information. --Klein zach 02:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC) P.S. The opera would be The Great Gatsby (opera). It's a redirect but you can use it. --Klein zach 02:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Classical music

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I was using Huggle (an automated anti-vandalism tool) and I hit the wrong button for another article. When I tried to undo that article, your edit flashed up right before I hit the button and your edit got taken out. I immediately undid the edit, but apparently not fast enough..... My sincere apologies. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 02:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

umm... actually, that was from someone else that I accidentally hit as well earlier. Again, I'm sorry about that mistake. I was not intentional. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 02:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hmmm... as far as I can see, I reverted all the damage I did. I don't know who removed other stuff, but I undid the one edit (a mistake) I made. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 02:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI Kleinzach, I don't know if you've looked at the talk and other contributions of the IP that added this to Classical music. Part of my reaction to him is because I smell a vandal at worst, and a somewhat contentious poor-English-speaker at best. In any event, I'm not going to re-revert his edit (or do anything else to the article) for the moment, but I'm really suspicious. Magicpiano (talk) 02:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMO his original contribution was poor but not vandalism. However his reversion of all my edits (cleanup tag, moving of navbox and deletion of timeline) on the other hand was vandalistic. --Klein zach 03:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the talk page for classical music. I have decided that my work is to academic for wikipedia. So you can remove it. 85.146.24.65 (talk) 03:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Presentations.

Hello, Kleinzach, Thanks for your warm welcome. I have now seen your interests. You seem to be selective and eclectic in your choices. That’s great! Are you coming from a musician background?

In order to present myself, I would say that formerly in my life, I studied history of art and German at University of Geneva and was German teacher in high school. I know quite much about music: my murrain was Maria Stader. My father was a film director, Emil-Edwin Reinert. This page is dedicated for him. I need to explain that my page in English is in construction. Could you help me to signal it? Now I have chosen to evolve in the social field and do psychotherapy in loss and separation situations. Means I have little time… I work on [1] and [2] for small projects and since short time except the same page: [3] again in French! But each country has its rules. Sorry for my mistakes, it’s not my mother language.--Schnäggli (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. What is a 'murrain'? We don't have an 'under construction' tag for articles, because contributors are encouraged to prepare articles in a 'sandbox' - that is a userpage subpage. When the text is finished - or at least viable - we move to the article. I can make a sandbox for you if you like.

I'm trying to remember whether I've ever seen any of your father's films. Maybe not, unfortunately, but I'll look out for the name! P.S. My background is not really music, but I've had connections with the opera world for some time. Best. --Klein zach 22:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bot work

Sorry my response has taken so long. I'd be more than glad to get to work! You'll just have to remind me of the rules again, this is the stuff where there are templates to avoid correct? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS, I still can't remember what I was going to ask you. hmm §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, maybe it's just because it's late.. but I'm a bit confused. (sorry) Do you want me to tag articles as stubs with only these tags or any tag in the whole wide wiki? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 03:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Should be able to start this weekend. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to your post, Kleinzach!

Thanks to your post, dear Kleinzach! First of all, thanks for your small contribution on my page. Murraine was a mistake. I mean my godmother was Maria Stader and told you this in order to explain my own musician past and my musical interests. I tried, but not very successfully to use your guidelines… and finished the filmography. Concerning the biography of my father, it will take much more time because like you I'm short of time and also didn’t yet finished the French biography. Now a have to concentred of my profession a will be in contact again with you - if God will - in a few months. Is my contribution quite ok, or could you correct my mistakes on my fist page on Wikipedia in English??? Tell me all that, please,--Schnäggli (talk) 14:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a general edit of the article. In particular I've removed a lot of the red links, assuming you are not going to write articles on all of them! Perhaps you will be expanding the biography? Also more references would be helpful. I must see whether I can find any of the films. Which do you recommend? Best. --Klein zach 22:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Composers assessments

I saw your note on my talk page. Say more about what you have in mind. (I'm watching here.) Magic♪piano 01:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to propose written rather than nominal assessments, see for example: Talk:Siegfried Wagner/Comments, Talk:Lohengrin (opera)/Comments, Talk:Tristan und Isolde/Comments.

When we did a test of the Wagner Project we found it best to work in a team of three (third person to decide if the first two disagreed), using a points system (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Richard_Wagner/Assessment#Points_system_for_articles) - also that assessors should not be contributors to the articles they assess (that can be a disaster).

I won't do any assessments myself, but I'll give any necessary technical backing. How does that sound to you? P.S. Nice signature! --Klein zach 05:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I should add: there is a summary of the current position of the Composers Project here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Composers/Assessment. The idea would be to move forward from that position, but not attempt more than would be practical. --Klein zach 06:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical guitar

Noticed that the classical guitar project has gone to sleep and that you had archived the page. Earlier, it had been discussed amongst the WP:GUITAR project that the classical guitar project be merged into our ranks and re-assigned as a task force. It was a suggestion that made sense but the ones who suggested it, along with myself, have been splintered as of late as far as Wikipedia goes. That project is dead. But perhaps may find life again if it were linked or re-directed to the much more active Guitarist project. I am not sure of the protocol involved with this. Or if it is even required and that a taskforce can just be created from scratch and the members (former) of the Classical guitar project who are still active on Wikipedia can be invited to join? Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks, cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. I'm delighted to help with whatever solution you like to suggest. Consolidating everything into one project would make sense. I've just marked Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists as inactive - but you can take this notice off if you are going to revive it. (One possibility might be to put a note on the the Music Project to tell people about what you are doing.) --Klein zach 01:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I untagged it. One of the things about the Guitarist project is that many of the editors that have been involved right from the start, like me, tend to talk to one another directly rather than bring conversations to the project page. Which is not what we should do, obviously, but some of us are so familar with one another that we know just which person to pick on for support on certain articles. I update the project sub-pages every now and then. And I know people read them because they email me about certain parts. I know one thing. I am WAY overdue for a project newsletter. Lately my work has had me jumping around the globe so much I hardly know which airport I am in. But whenever I get planted back at home I always take a look around the project and its active members to see whats up. Cheers! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've also moved the merge tag from Classical Music to Guitarists. Pls remove that as and when you have set up a task force or whatever. Best. --Klein zach 01:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merci, Kleinzach

An immense thank you, dear Kleinzach, thanks to you, and so promptly, it looks really perfect!!! This is the famous international solidarity of the Wikipedia users that I feel by looking at the page of my father. Now I have to go on with my profession and in any case will be back on previous holidays. Of course, I will contact you, and tell me then if you little time again to correct and modify my text. By, by Kleinzach and by, by England… “See you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnäggli (talk • contribs) 07:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all - by the way, I'm in Japan . . . --Klein zach 08:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ziehrer response

Hello, Kleinzach. I would like to make articles out of the stubs, but my problem is that I can't find any information on them. I just wrote down whatever I could find -- not a lot, as you can see. So I guess that no, I won't (and can't) make articles out of them. Best regards! Tempodivalse (talk) 14:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]