Talk:List of current NHL captains and alternate captains

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Criteria fo long term & short term 'interim' captains

If a players is wearing his team's (C) for a few games, because the captain is out of the lineup for a short time (few games), the 'interim captain' should not be listed at this article (example for this season- Chris Phillips in Ottawa & Chris Pronger in Anaheim, during Alfredsson's & S.Niedermayer's absences respectively). However, if an 'interim captain' serves a long tenure (example: Robietaille of LA in 1992-93 for Gretzky; Mogilny of Buf in 1993-94 for LaFontaine & Lapointe of Chicago in 2005-06 for Aucoin). Then an 'interima captain' would be listed as X player, in place of injured Y (captain) player (Example: Chicago 2005-06 was Martin Lapointe; in place of injured Adrian Aucoin). GoodDay 19:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved Page

At first, I was going to revert the additions of alternate captains to the page. But, I've found the addition helpful to the article & more informative. This is why I've 'moved the page' instead. GoodDay 23:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Devils alternate captains

The 'source' claiming Brian Rafalski is an alternate captain, doesn't mention Jamie Langenbrunner. GoodDay 00:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since Njdhockey's 'reliable source' omits Langenbrunner, I've removed him as a Devils alternate captain. GoodDay 16:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See new source at New Jersey Devils. Re-adding Langenbrunner as a Devils alternate captain & removing Rafalski. GoodDay 16:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wild alternate captains

When Rolston or Walz are named captain (during the season) as they were in the past, does that still mean the alternates aren't rotating? GoodDay 22:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Years as Captain

I think it would be a good idea to add a column to the table titled "Year Became Captain", i.e. so we could see which teams have add captains for longer periods. See Closer (baseball) for a similar example. I don't know enough about other teams to put this together. Anyone else think this is a good idea?Ags412 23:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. GoodDay 23:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Filling in Alternate captains

We shouldn't be adding in interim alternate captains (guys who wear an 'A', while somebody in injurd and out of the lineup). Let's just keep the regular 'A's. It makes things less confusing and cluttered. GoodDay 13:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In order to end constant bickering with anon editors - I've chosen to add interim alternate captains (with explanation for their inclusion) & added injury tags to injured captains & alternate captains. GoodDay (talk) 03:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St. Louis Blues Alternate Captains

Jamal Mayers is also a rotating alternate for the St. Louis Blues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.236.188 (talk) 03:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for that? GoodDay 14:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen him wear an 'a' on his sweater? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.225.180 (talk) 15:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We need a 'source' though. GoodDay (talk) 16:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter now, because the blues have named Paul Kariya, Keith Tkachuck and Barret Jackman the permanent alternates, whereas Eric Brewer is the captain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.225.180 (talk) 21:37, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, ya suppose Andy Murray got the message (see here)? GoodDay (talk) 21:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

captains & alternate captains at 'NHL official websites'

Having check the Chicago Blackhawks official website? they list no alternate captains. Thus my reason for not having any here. GoodDay (talk) 13:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neither do the Bruins and the Caps! I just updated all teams from the official websites except for the Oilers and Bolts for technical reasons and the Sabres and Wild because of the rotating captaincy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austin19 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore my edit summary. What I meant to say is, the NHL official websites aren't fully reliable. GoodDay (talk) 19:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is then? You? They are not called the OFFICIAL websites without reason!

Austin19 11:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you're going to have a crappy attitude here. Then I'll let you do as you like, on this page. GoodDay (talk) 19:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, technically there are no captains during the summer as there is no roster during the summer. We usually just try and leave the previous season's people on the page until the following season because its simpler that way. There really is no need to argue about it. -Djsasso (talk) 19:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no rosters during the summer, then how do you explain the NHL's movement of players on the websites? Since captaincies are pretty much in perpetuity unless otherwise "blindingly obvious," or announced differently, why can't we name the current captains as captains for the next season's pages? I don't see how it's different from assuming that the coach and GM will be coach and GM when the season starts.
And since the Blackhawks *have* officially announced Toews as captain for the next season, can he be listed? ConkblockCity (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because coaches and GMs have contracts and unless its stated that they won't be the GM/Coach then they are the GM/Coach. Captains, technically are named at the beginning of each season even if it seems that they are not. If an official announcement has been made then yes you can list him. -Djsasso (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To rephrase what Djsasso has said: only blindingly obvious captaincy changes should be made during the summer. Unless a team announces that a player will/won't be captain next season, or the captain leaves for another team (like Markus Naslund did), we should leave it. Keep in mind that there's no prize for breaking a news story early.-Wafulz (talk) 20:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Definately a better way to say it than I did. Thanks. -Djsasso (talk) 20:35, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would it be helpful to add notes for vacancies? E.g., for the Thrashers captain, have a note below the table saying "Vacated when Bobby Holik signed with the Devils"? —C.Fred (talk) 21:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Intro expansion

If anyone wants to work on a new intro to the article, you are free to use my sandbox. I think we should state the season, go into a breif history of captains and assisstants, and name a few notable current captains (Crosby is the youngest, whoever is the longest tenured, etc.) The better we can use the intro to desribe what we're trying to list, the better quality the list will become. Blackngold29 21:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone think we should add a reference column? Obvoiusly no one for the upcoming season has been announced, but I think it could only help once they start coming. Blackngold29 21:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm wondering if we don't only need references, but a set of notes might be warranted. By way of illustration:
Toronto Maple Leafs Mats Sundin[Note 1][1] Tomas Kaberle, vacant[1]

Notes

  1. ^ Sundin is an unrestricted free agent but has neither signed nor indicated his retirement.

References

  1. ^ a b http://mapleleafs.official.site.bogus.url/roster.htm
Make sense? —C.Fred (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Canucks captain, Luongo??

We need a note that Luongo is the Canucks unofficial captain. GoodDay (talk) 19:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How's that? —C.Fred (talk) 21:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jolly good. GoodDay (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference column?

Anyone else think we should add a ref column in the fashion of List of Tampa Bay Rays Opening Day starting pitchers? I see no sense in having a ref for the captain and then repeating it for the alt. captain. Should make it look a little less cluttered. Thoughts? Blackngold29 21:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No prob. GoodDay (talk) 21:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It also eliminates needing to name all the refs that get used twice. That was the other format I considered. I still think the notes need to go next to the names in question. —C.Fred (talk) 21:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Penguins alternate captains

The Pens A's for this season are Gonchar & Sydor. As both are injured, Orpik & Malkin are filling-in. How shall we handle this? GoodDay (talk) 23:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List them all and add an explanatory note. —C.Fred (talk) 23:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a sec, do you have a source that says they're filling in? According to this they are rotating one each month. I believe the other alt. is from a team vote of some kind. There's no "filling in" that I can see. Blackngold29 00:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How's about listing '4' alterante captains. GoodDay (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based on that article, it's Gonchar (injured) and Malkin (rotating) at this point. —C.Fred (talk) 00:11, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Err, does anybody have Therrien's cell-number? Perhaps get some light on this situation? The Pens official website lists Gonchar & Sydor (unless it's not updated). GoodDay (talk) 00:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say we just list Malkin and Orpik because they're the only two who have worn the A during gameplay. When/If Gonchar comes back he can easily be added. Actually, that might not be a bad policy for all teams; "only players who have worn the A during a game are listed". Thoughts? Blackngold29 00:20, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, you have a point there. The teams actually appoint the captains & alternate captains on a game-by-game basis (they present the list to the game officials). GoodDay (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could give this a few days, until every team has had a game, and then try to update and cite every team. When do teams start playing in North America, NHL.com's redesign is awesome, but they haven't updated their standings yet. Blackngold29 00:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes, I forgot about the North American reg games not having started yet. GoodDay (talk) 00:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, both NHL.com and ESPN are listing pre-season and regular season games in one list and it's confusing as hell. Blackngold29 00:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maple Leafs captaincy is vacant

I believe we need the note on Sundin changed from incumbent captain to previous captain or former captain. I don't know how to do it. GoodDay (talk) 19:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I put 'incumbent' because I wasn't sure if his captaincy had been removed. You can change it. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 16:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Tis cool; I believe C.Fred has made the adjustments. GoodDay (talk) 16:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They played last night, but their site doesn't list one. Aren't teams required to dress one? Blackngold29 16:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. GoodDay (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minnesota Wild

Though they've named their permanent alternate captains for the season. It's best we wait an see who the October captain will be; as sometimes one of the permanent alternates are named captain. GoodDay (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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