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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by J.delanoy (talk | contribs) at 17:16, 13 October 2008 (Reverted edits by 66.199.205.1 to last version by JohnCD (HG)). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.


Messages before 1 Mar 08 are in Archive 1
Messages for March - July 08 are in Archive 2
Messages for August 08 are in Archive 3

September 2008

A puppet problem?

Please see HERE, and advise. Though I agree for numerous reasons the article in question is not worthy of Wiki, a background check found that the Nom may have been an account created specifically to nominate the article for AfD. The account was created on August 23rd, did a few very narrow edits, immediately nominated the article in question for delete, and made no further edits . This is not the pattern of a newbie, and would seem to indicate the work of an experienced editor having created a puppet account. You are much more experienced than I. What might you suggest? Yikes. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Did some digging... kinda tough without knowing all the fancy tools...
User:Plantended is an account created August 23 2008 that immediately made several edits in relationship to Girls At The Cairo National Stadium and then nominated the article for deletion. This is not the pattern for a "new' user and struck me as being one of an established editor who may have created the account User:Plantended solely for the purpose of working to remove the article from Wikipedia. Since there has been an tremendous interest in keeping or deleting this article, is highly suspicious that this "new" user would know where to ggo, what to do, and how to do it..' all in one day.
Looking at editors (users or anonymous IP's) that acted only toward the removal of this article, I find that
93.172.15.3 made only 2 edits: both to article on August 23
89.138.218.208 made 3 edits: nominated the second AfD and minor edits to 2 other pages, all on August 23
, in a 2-1/2 hour period on August 11 made its only edits: to 3 Israeli related articles. The phrases used when editing Girls At The Cairo National Stadium is remarkedly similar to that which was used by User:Plantended on August 23. Compare THIS and THIS.
96.242.244.247 blanked that article page on July 29 but a Cluebot reverted sconds later.
I do not know what a next step might be or how to proceed. Can you help? I do know another editor who seems to use the fancy tools, but thought to check with someone versed in Wiki Project Film.
Ah shucks... maybe I'm finding fault where none exist. User:Phlegm Rooster advised that there may have been good reasons for the one-day account... however, I did learn that IP#'s 93.172.15.3, 89.138.218.208, and 89.139.191.145 all originated at the same node in Haifa, Israel. With them and User:Plantended all making the same edits, the same day, for the same cause... and then disappearing... well... it smells fishily of creating a false consensus. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry for the delay in replying, but I live in UTC+1 and had gone to bed. I see the AfD you point to has been closed, so these are general remarks. I don't actually have access to any special tools, nor am I particularly a film buff - it's coincidence that we have met on film issues, which I picked up on New Page Patrol or while bottom-fishing in CAT:HOAX. (There's another film AfD going on here, by the way).
Though creating an account specially in order to launch an AfD would be frowned on, I don't think it would be treated as invalidating the AfD, which should be considered on its merits; and there probably wouldn't be enough of an evidence-trail to provide proof. If you have strong evidence of sock-puppetry you can make a report at WP:SSP though in my experience that won't produce a rapid response - days or weeks rather than hours; but it may eventually get a sock blocked. There is also a mechanism called checkuser, requestable at WP:RFCU, which can provide positive evidence by investigating the IPs used, but that is felt to be an invasion of privacy and won't normally be used without strong evidence - "no fishing expeditions."
If it's happening on an AfD like this, the main thing is to ensure that the closing admin knows what's going on. You can add a comment in the AfD debate itself listing your suspicions, and if you check a !voter's edit history and he has few other contributions you can add an {{subst:spa|username}} tag after his signature, which generates a "this user has made few or no other edits outside this topic" message in small type. And if you suspect that !voters are being bussed in, so to speak, you can add {{not a ballot}} at the head of the AfD debate, which generates a big panel saying "This is not a majority vote. If someone brought this page to your attention... " etc, and also serves to alert everyone. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any need to follow up un this. The 3 linked Israeli IP's and User:Plantended made deletions and comments at the article all on the same day and within the same 3-hour window, but only User:Plantended went to or said anything at the AfD when he made the 3rd nom (although one of the anonymous Israeli IP's did try to re-insert the 2nd AfD tag that day (the one that the article has survived a month earlier), but it was removed. A few minuted later User:Plantended made the 3rd nom. But as User:Phlegm Rooster advised, this one-shot account was probably created for very good reasons. (Can anonymous IP's nominate to AfD?) Assuming good faith, I will accept that the reasons for this were not to circumvent a ban, as there were no edits anytime since that 3-hour window on the 23rd and none of the anonymous one-day IP's made comment at the AfD. So digging and making a ruckus will just confuse the issue about a really bad article that belongs in AfD. I checked other contributors to the AfD and they all seem to be on the up-and-up. I did post a note about my suspicions, but after corresponding with User:Phlegm Rooster, my feeling is that the AfD has been fair, and I "Struck" the comment. If a closing Admin looks, it's there, but will be seen as retracted. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ach. Its gone anyway. Just saw the article link go red. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenny Toal

One reason I restored Kenny Toal after the author blanked it was that it was the lead page for the joint AFD. What shall we do now - is there a way to change the title of the AfD to "Pam Royle"? or perhaps best if you close that AfD and I relist Pam Royla separately? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since User:Wknight94 has closed it I think it's best to relist Pam Royle separately. Stifle (talk) 15:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spy Movie

I will keep an eye on it and protect it if the vandalism continues. ... discospinster talk 18:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks. I suspect it will be gone by that time. The level of vandalism tends to confirm my suspicion that it's a hoax. JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re: quran

I was just in the process of editing it and posting on the talk page. Lihaas (talk) 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • OK. As I said, what I saw looked like vandalism. Regards JohnCD (talk) 19:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pam Royle (Reply)

Could you explain why this tag is necessary, is it because of the 'kenny toal' piece?

If not, you should take a look at various other journalist pages, which have a shorter article lenght.This is Drew (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou.

(answered on his talk page)

Please refrain from interfering with attempts to remove puffs from commercial interests posing as genuine posters. Yours, Tif Pembridge —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tifannyp (talk • contribs) 09:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Antigua Honeymoon Murders

Thank you for your kind comments regarding my rewriting of the article. I was moved to re-write it contained many factual errors. Welshrich (talk) 13:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a Problem

I have a problem. My posts are showing, but there's no hyperlink to them, as you can see in this post. My user page is [[User:Marshall Williams2]]. Please answer on my talk page as quickly as possible. Marshall T. Williams 01:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Metamorphosis locust

Thanks for dealing with that article. I was running short of time in the morning to fully research it, but I knew something needed done with it. I figured the merge tag was the quickest way to get subject experts to look at it. —C.Fred (talk) 21:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • No problem - I thought it looked rather well-written to have come out of the blue, so I looked to see where it might have been copied from. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Understand

I'm sorry, but I didn't really understand what you said when you left me your last message. I appreciate you always answering my questions. But could you please answer again? Marshall T. Williams 22:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

re deletion of "oppo dump"

Thanks for the message...I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm ambivalent about whether it needs to be a separate page. I could add more sources.

The term "oppo dump" is increasing in usage, and the meaning needs to be accessible somewhere. I'm not sure what the criteria would be for saying something is a viable operable term, but it appears frequently in journalism.

One option might be to just incorporate the definiton into the "opposition research" main page, which I've been working on for quite a while now. Let me know if you think that's the best way. The closest thing to a sourced definition of it is from a journalist who uses the term.

So, if you think it needs deletion or "hang on"...I'm down w/ either.138.237.128.86 (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problems still persist

I'm so sorry- its still not working. I mean, I want to sign my post, but its not creating a link for it. like I've said. I'm putting the ~~~~ on the outside of the nowiki brackets, but its still not working. This problem hasn't been happening until now- a few days ago. You said that I don't have to have nowiki brackets to make my post be a hyperlink- and I tried it, and it just showed tildes (~~~~). Is there another reason its not happening? Maybe doing [[~~~~]] will work. I'll test here. Marshall T. Williams 23:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC) Nope. I'll try this>>> User:Marshall Williams2 I'll talk to you later about this. Chow.<\nowiki> [[User:Marshall Williams2]] == Another Problem == <nowiki>I have another problem. My twinkle gadget isn't showing up all the time. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. What's the problem? I fixed the problem about the signatures! I all had to do was go to my preferances and deselect raw signautre.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Believers (film)

I'm at a loss here. What am I doing wrong? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • (Late reply as I've been away). What makes you think you're doing anything wrong? That looks to me like a textbook demolition of an unwise AfD nomination. JohnCD (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Chuckle) You were on Wiki-break? Since I had not heard back I further involved myself in discussions with the nominator and other editors about the "boilerplate" nominations. And yes... it became a successful improvement of and defense of an article. As it turns, the nomination was made in good faith. The nominator later learned that his methods were at odds to procedure and has since improved. He had the unfortunate circumstance of being a successful professional in the real world and a total newbie at Wiki. He bumped heads big time with an impatient but well-seasoned Wiki veteran with some of his earler edit attempts and so his subsequent attempts to edit became slightly contentious because of an example he was emulating. Situation much better now. And thanks for getting back to me. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help again

Hello again. I'm having a problem on my user page. The last sentence so far- I can't make the name of the hyperlink show up. How do you do it? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Roberts

Hi User:JohnCD, long time, no see. I hope you enjoyed your break!

Just a quick note that our special friend, Stefan Roberts, appears to have closed down his "investment banker" walled garden:

I am keeping on eye on the Roberts-related articles. Maybe he will come back as "Stefan_Roberts_(Superhero)", as you speculated ;-) Or maybe he will try the fake nobility-track again.

Since you are a lot more experienced Wikipedian than I am, could you have a look as well?

Thank you! HagenUK (talk) 17:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Chateau and Art Gallery sites don't seem to have changed, Stefan is "watch this space" and the Investment Group announces a merger with Wheeler Private Investments (no Ghits - another secretive investment company!) to form Roberts Wheeler & Co., which also has a watch-this-space website here. On past form I wouldn't have expected a new hoax Wikipedia article for some time, because the previous ones have been at long-ish and increasing intervals - Sep 2005, Feb 2006, Feb 2007, July 2008 - but you never know. I don't think there's anything particular to be done except watch these websites and do an occasional WP search for Stefan Roberts, Andrew Roberts and maybe now for Roberts Wheeler. Also worth keeping an eye on CAT:HOAX (which I do anyway for entertainment) in case someone else has spotted an article and tagged it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for restoring my User talk page; much appreciated. Loganberry (Talk) 16:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


October 2008

RE

Wow. You're back. That was a really long break. I figured out what the problem was- raw signatures were enabled. Look at my user page and tell met what you think of it.Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

How do you redirect a page? For example, I want CORA 2 to redirect to Cabela's Off Road Adventure 2. How do I do this?Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bot

Do you know how to make a bot?Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • No. But see WP:BOT. (Generally, if you want to know about anything in Wikipedia, say OOGLEs, it's worth trying WP:OOGLE). Why are you still enclosing your messages in "nowiki" brackets? There's no point to it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstars

How do you award barnstars?Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

From now on, please answer questions on MY talk page. Thank you.Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Java Script

Is it possible to make a Javascript window pop up on my user page or anywhere else on Wikipedia by using just this edit? I think you know what I am talking about.Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to send me a warning about me cursing you out

At least have the dignity to say "Curse at me again and I'll block you" instead of saying "please do not attack this editor" in a third-person fashion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.230.244 (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are too many vandals to spend time writing individual messages - the warning templates save time. And your first message left any ideas of "dignity" far behind. Wikipedia will only work if people get on together and learn to be reasonably civil to each other - that's why personal attacks get a sharp response. JohnCD (talk) 20:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

I moved /User talk:JohnCD/Archive 3 to its appropriate place at User talk:JohnCD/Archive 3. I also removed the G7 template from the article, as i expect you placed it because it ended up in the wrong place. Also, remember to check if any links need updating! Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 20:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I got in a muddle creating it and was just starting again when I found you had thoughtfully moved it for me. I should have thought of that myself. Thanks! JohnCD (talk) 20:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bloomery

Dear John, thanks for reverting vandalism. The page Bloomery was badly hurt! Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 21:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • No problem. I noticed the vandal had made three edits and you had only reverted the last one. If you are going to be doing much anti-vandal work, I suggest you apply for Rollback, a useful tool which in those circumstances lets you revert a number of consecutive entries by the same vandal with a single click. You have to use it with care, but it saves a lot of time. REgards, JohnCD (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 21:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Kanik

Not sure why - but JohnCD and Cornellrockey have decided to gang up on Chris Kanik's wiki page. Not sure what the problem seems to be. Everything is cited and referenced. Please be specific with what the issue is. Every achievement of his can be tracked back to a wesbite - and he is listed on the Cornell alum directory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.140.4 (talk) 21:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of "Gunston Jolly Rodgers"

John, I happen to know this dog. He has appeared numerous amount of times in the papers and even in movies. I dont think you should consider deleting this article becuase this dog is a great movie star too. He has also got got lost and appeared in the newspapers. This dog is known to be famous.

  • Lots of people get famous by being in the papers, but that doesn't make them suitable subjects for an article in an encyclopedia, which is what WIkipedia is. Gunston's adventures are not "of significant lasting and historical interest and impact." You can express your opinion at the deletion debate here. JohnCD (talk) 14:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huggle

It seems to be working for me. The talk page says "A unified account seems to fix the problem. I went to Special:MergeAccount and after I could get in Huggle". Try going to Special:MergeAccount. If you can unify your account, based on the discussion on the talk page, it should work. Bart133 t c @ How's my driving? 15:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SUL

See Wikipedia:Changing_username/SUL#J.C.Deelman_.E2.86.92_JohnCD and note I left there. IF this is already done, do you know who did it? I can't find it in the logs. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, it hasn't already been done, and the request is not from me: I have been using "JohnCD" for a couple of years and have no plans to change it. I've left him a message: his existing account is J. C. Deelman (talk · contribs), with spaces between the initials, which is why nothing showed up for user:J.C.Deelman. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 07:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image problem

I have a problem with one of my images- Pspeed.jpg. Please go to the edit page for my user page to see why its having problems. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image Fix

The picture wasn't fixed, so I got rid of it. I'm on a break right now and will back in a few days. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Morris Media

I would like to know why you repeatedly delete the page for Morris Media. We are a small publisher of 3 award winning magazines. D-Magazine has an entry, as does Random House, both publishers who make money. I feel that we are being unfairly singled out. Have gone and looked at the quality of the content on our web sites?

Lee Bodkin Managing Web Editor, Morris MediaMorris Media (talk) 17:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory or a vehicle for any kind of promotion. It does not set out to have articles about every band, company, singer, film... that exists. Articles have to be of enough general interest for an encyclopedia article: the Wikipedia term for that is notability, and the requirements are explained in the guideline on Notability and in more detail in Notability (organizations and companies).
"Random House" gets over 19,000,000 hits on Google, while "Morris Media" gets under 7,000, and many of those are "Grace Morris, Media Studies" and the like. I don't know about "D Magazine", but I see its article is already flagged as unreferenced and might not survive a challenge; in any case, unsuitable articles do slip through the net and What about X? is not a good argument for inclusion.
Also, since it is a key policy that articles must be written from a neutral point of view, people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves or their own companies, because of the conflict of interest involved. Under the username policy, even a username such as yours is regarded as problematic, as indicating a promotional intent.
For more advice, read carefully the Business' FAQ, in particular the sections headed:
Finally, although Wikipedia is not a business listing directory, Wikicompany is, and would be happy to accept your listing.
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

STUPID PICTURES!

The stupid picture I took ain't showin' up, About98.JPG. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why you ignorantly described reference to OEIS and Neil Sloane as nonsense ?

OEIS is managed/edited by renowned scientist - Neal Sloane, therefore OEIS reference is a Reliable Source ! Apovolot (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

  • I did not describe it as nonsense - that was another editor. Look at the signature at the end of the comment. JohnCD (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Misuse of minor tag and incivility

Reverting valid, substantial edits is not "minor", and it's quite dishonest to mark such an edit with the "minor edit" tag. Furthermore, threatening to have someone blocked for making edits is wildly uncivil.Heqwm2 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Your edit removed material from the article with no explanatory edit summary. That looked to me like vandalism, and I reverted it with the Rollback tool, which marks all its edits as "minor". Then I looked at your talk page and saw that a few minutes earlier you had been given a level 2 vandalism warning, so I issued the standard level 3 warning, which you have seen before: this is advice to change your conduct if you do not want to be blocked, and is helpful, not uncivil - unlike your reply "You're an ass." JohnCD (talk) 11:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Simply stating that one should refrain from editing is neither helpful nor civil.Heqwm2 (talk) 19:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image

I have come back from Gatlinberg.

On the Kevin Mccurley article, (I may have spelled this wrong), and I would like you to make a hyperlink for Digicrime.com.

Every time I make a hyperlink, it only shows the number and not the name of where the hyperlink connects to. How do I make a hyperlink so that it shows the website and not a number. Also, can you tell me how to do references? And lastly, how do you request page protection for the black lock? (This lock is a page proctection for articles about companies so that admins shouldn't edit them).

Are you an admin? Also, you said my picutre of About98.JPG was blurry and out of focus- I can't help this because I'm taking it from a computer screen and that's how it shows up. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture Gallery

What is a picture gallery? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 00:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrights

Would it be against the rules of Wikipedia to say that I have copyright on an image evevn if I really don't? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, it would - it could get Wikipedia into serious legal trouble, and it could get you blocked. JohnCD (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah ha!

Ah ha! I knew you were from Britan! By the way, I have new images on my user page. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 15:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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