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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Urbanoc (talk | contribs) at 20:55, 16 January 2015. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

The Citroen article is allegedly vandalized

Always the same people Urbanoc, Warren Whyte, Vrac and some of their friends, vandalize the articles of some brands like Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, but not Volkswagen, Ford, GM, so they are arbitrary and use Wikipedia as a mean to denigrate some companies or to lower their real value and history, by adding only some negative information or negative "interpretations", but never the 10 times more numerous historical facts that are positive and by removing the most significant neutral and positive information.

  • Urbanoc take the excuse to "unbold" the 'Traction Avant' words, but what he does really is erasing one thousands of words.
  • Urbanoc announces some little modifications like reducing the lead, it seems nice, except that what he does really is removing this whole paragraph without any fair reasons, as these informations are neutral facts. Urbanoc even removed a precious reference to the Union of the Italian journalists that proves the awards : see here for example http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citro%C3%ABn&diff=prev&oldid=641710842 It is normal to cite the awards, because it is meaningful and the aim of the abstract is to sum up in one sentence the details given in some further paragraphs. No relevant reasons to remove these information.
  • Notice that these people act as a team : Urbanoc, Vrac, Warren Whyte systematically, with the help of some other malevolent people. They make successive attacks, removing 2 paragraphs, then 3, then 3 again etc., and at the and several thousands of characters, 'only the true and positive information are removed from the articles of the brands that they want to lower and denigrate.

This is not acceptable. These people behave arbitrarily. These people accept some awards in the VW article for example, but erase the same awards in the Citroen article saying 'single magazine awards are not important enough'. It is an unequal treatment and a total bad faith obviously. These people don't respect the neutrality, behave as if they were chiefs on Wikipedia and remove some neutral and relevant information. These people behaves as a lobby that harasses some brands and support some others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.157.24.224 (talk) 15:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite appalling the statements being made here by an anonymous editor. S/he seems to be completely ignoring suggestions, comments and hints and tips on WP etiquette. I really do suggest that User talk:83.157.24.224 keeps calm, and to try and enter into a proper discussion without throwing around claims of vandalism and what not. Perhaps you should take notice that several editors are trying to engage with you. Warren (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IP, I don't get it. I didn't delete "a thousand words" as you suggest. If you want to criticise me, you have the right to do so, but please, complain for something I actually did...

The changes I made in the sub-sections' titles were for complying with Wiki guidelines and making titles briefer and more consistent. I don't see the problem with that.

I didn't delete any "positive" information. In fact, I didn't delete anything from the main body of the article. I only rewrote a little the lead section and the awards section. Anyway, I think you should read WP:NPOV.

As for the lead section, I didn't remove a whole paragraph, I condensed it into a single sentence. The awards section is little more than a collection of lists. It hasn't any vital information about the company. Do you really consider it needs its own paragraph on the lead?

Your claims against Warren are nonsense. He made a lot of editing in the VW article to address the issues you raised, answering your "other stuff" arguments. He explained the reason to remove the Motor Trend award from the list, but you reverted him in a aggresive way. You want to promote French car manufacturers, making them to have overly large awards sections. That's not the aim of Wikipedia. We are not here to promote companies of any country. Urbanoc (talk) 20:55, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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