User talk:Mira

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I will respond to any messages left here on this page unless you request otherwise (although I may respond on both talk pages occasionally).
Vandalism will be removed without warning.
I reserve the right to organize your comments as I see fit, and possibly add links to referenced pages for my reading pleasure.
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Archives: 1 (February 11, 2006 - present)

Would you be willing to help? (Userboxes)

Hi, I remember that you put forth your name as a friendly admin at WP:TGS, and I was wondering if you could help me out. I created a number of userboxes in my userspace without thinking, and I'd like to get them deleted so I can actually move the templates there in order to preserve the history. The thing is, I'd like to do it in batches so I can fix things up without falling too far behind. If I just posted a few links here a day, could you drop by and delete the pages? Thanks. —Mi r a 07:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 02:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Yes

I can do that. Just leave me links, and let me know what you need done. -GTBacchus^(talk) 13:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 1

Hello again, I'm dropping by with the first bunch. If you'd rather I put the links somewhere else in the future, just let me know where. Thanks for doing this.

1 2 3 4 5 6

P.S. Please delete the talk pages too. And thanks again. —Mi r a 03:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 09:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done

[1] This system works for me. -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 2

7 8 9 10 11 12 13 —Mi r a 09:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 21:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Hello again

Hi, it's me again. I just wanted to mention that I posted the next batch of subpages I'd like deleted back up under the old heading where we were talking a few days ago. I hope I don't seem impatient, because I'm not; feel free to delete at your convenience. I'm just a little worried that you didn't get my message, as I didn't post it on the bottom of your page. Thank you. —Mi r a 03:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 02:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done

Sorry for the delay. My talk page has been active lately, and I missed your post until you posted a reminder. Please feel free to do what it takes to get my attention; I'll try to be more alert. -GTBacchus^(talk) 05:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 3

Hey, I know it's been a while again, but here's some more userboxes you can delete.14 15 16 —Mi r a 20:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 02:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

All three talk pages, too?

User talk:MiraLuka/Userboxes/User bisexual has quite a bit of content - do you want it gone, too? -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I actually copy/pasted that over from Template talk:User bisexual. (bad me) All of the history is over there. So yes, the talk pages too. —Mi r a 23:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. —Mi r a 00:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 4

Thanks, those went really fast - not many links. Here's batch four: 17 18 19 —Mi r a 02:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 02:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Batch four was particularly easy - no talk pages. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 5

Those were fast for me as well. Here's batch five: 20 21 22 —Mi r a 02:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 03:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Six new redlinks for ya. -GTBacchus^(talk) 08:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 6

And here's batch six: 23 24 25 —Mi r a 03:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done - that one took a bit longer because I'm suddenly between homes, but I'm checking in when I can. -GTBacchus^(talk) 16:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 7

Don't worry about how long it takes you, I'm not moving all that fast myself. Anyway, here's batch seven: 26 27 28 29 —Mi r a 05:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 05:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done :) -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 8

And here's batch eight: 30 31 32 33 —Mi r a 06:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 06:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done, and done. -GTBacchus^(talk) 22:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 9

Finally finished that bunch, here's the next batch. :) 34 35 36 37 38 39 —Mi ra 03:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 03:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Those are taken care of now. :) -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you zap this one away again? Another editor got to it before I did, and it messed things up. Thanks. —Mi ra 08:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 17:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Yeah, got it. -GTBacchus^(talk) 17:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 10

Here's batch ten: 40 41 42 43 44 45 —Mi ra 09:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done. -GTBacchus^(talk) 17:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 11

And number eleven: 46 47 48 49 50 —Mi ra 13:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I've been online very little in the past few days. These are done now. -GTBacchus^(talk) 20:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Batch 12

Again, no need to worry about getting these done urgently, but here's batch twelve: 1 2 —Mi ra 07:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC) (copied from GTBacchus' talk page 07:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Got 'em. -GTBacchus^(talk) 21:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Permission

My permission to edit my user page would be nice before you go around adding things like female wikipedian and user box amendments. In the future please consult me first before modifying my user page and maybe I dont want to be catagorised with other female wikipedians.--Lucy-marie 14:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry I've offended you, but if you read the page you originally posted on, you would note that all pages, even user pages, are owned by the community. Permission is not required to edit them. I would also note that you were already in Category:Female Wikipedians, whether you noticed it or not. The userbox used to add you to that category automatically, but it no longer does so. That's why I added your page to the category manually. There was no visible change to your page with my edit. —Mi ra 21:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not the point it may be that usre pages are owned by the community but I could argue that you are a vandal. As you have modified something without the permisiion of the whole community or the principle editor of the page. A courtesy to the user would be to ask first other people have asked and I have granted permission. You are just rude and unilateral.--Lucy-marie 21:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have you actually read through the the page you originally posted on? I ask because I want to be sure we are both on the same page here. Requesting permission of the "whole community" to do something is simply not possible, and the proposal to move userboxes to user space has achieved wide consensus. The page I have linked toexplains why it is not feasible to leave a message on every talk page of every user whose page I edit. Lastly, if you agree that the display of your page did not change, then why be upset? —Mi ra 21:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have read your front page and I understand exactly what you are saying, but are you sure that what you are doing by using your computer packages and editing hundreds of pages all simultaneously is really the best way to make friends with people, and not just ruffle the feathers of more people like me who are irritated by people like you. people like you who think they have a divine right to force whatever they want to do on to other people. It should be put into a public discussion forum and the people who agree with what you are doing should either give you permission to carry on with what you are doing or to do it themsleves and the people who disagree with what you are doing should give you there names and you should not edit there pages. People who have not left any comment should have a notice posted on there pages informing them of what you are doing and invite them to either agree or disagree with what you are doing within a set period of time. After that if they have left no comment then you can go ahead with your edits.--Lucy-marie 12:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While you definetely make some valid points, I think this whole issue has been blown out of proportion. MiraLuka was trying to improve the quality of Wikipedia, which is what we are all striving for. I can understand that you disagree with someone else editing your userpage without asking you first, and a note on their talk page is a good idea, so they know. This has been done, the changes have been reverted by yourself, and MiraLuka has some feedback about how he may like to alter his editing methods for the next time. While userpages are not the property of the individual, it often feels like an invasion of privacy to see someone else has edited it, especially without your permission. I think you both have explained your reasoning in great enough detail that you understand eachother, so hopefully from here we can see productive editing of Wikipedia that we are here to do. Regards, --Ali K 13:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can i please have a coment from the person I was originally talking too. I thank you for your input and would be more than willing with your help to open the debate up further. This would enable a broad concensus to be reached about improving the editing of wikipedia.--Lucy-marie 16:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out that the issue was opened for discussion at WT:GUS, where it achieved enough support to be implemented. If you want to open the debate up further, you may want to post there. I will say that I just don't have time to leave notes on the talk pages of everyone using a userbox, otherwise I would. There were almost 500 using the female box alone. And a list of people who do not want their pages edited wouldn't work either, because I really don't even look at which page I'm editing as I go through, I just check to be sure it's a user page. However, if you have a suggestion for writing a more informative edit summary, I'm open to it. —Mi ra 20:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am open to writing a more informative editing summary and would like to recive as much input as i can from as many diffrent sources as possible so as I can mak the best and most informed use of the information avaliable.To create a working piece of work. I want to be able to make an implimentable and easy to use edit summary.--Lucy-marie 22:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, what? —Mi ra 01:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It just isn't polite to edit other people's userpages. You shouldn't do it unless there has been a large community consensus on something such as deleting a specific userbox. Otherwise don't do it! Concentrate on editing articles, not annoying others by editing their userpages. --huntersquid 22:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not everyone finds it impolite. You can see the thank you messages right alongside the complaints, both here and in the archives. And let me ask you one question: Would you rather that your userbox turn into a red link? Because that's what will happen unless your page is edited. —Mi ra 22:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

O.K. I can clearly see what was meant to be me having a little dig has bown up into a full scale war. Lets move back from the abyss and have a rational full and frank debate without personal attacks, rude or inappropriate comments. This would determine the public opinion and concensous on the issue and clear up any controversies. I do not want to be redirected to the German Userbox solution talk page at all. I want a whole new debate on the issue. Please carefully consider my proposaly.--Lucy-marie 22:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see what is wrong with discussing this at WT:GUS, where more people will see. Otherwise, I think it will end up being a debate between you and me. —Mi ra 03:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

N.B., WP:AWB can still use what links here on deleted pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template%3AUser_childfree). — xaosflux ^Talk 02:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can see the "what links here", but I can't seem to get AWB to work on it... —Mi ra 02:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I foobared something along the way. Argh. Jaguara 04:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you did, it works now. —Mi ra 04:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hee.. I duped the template of the userbox I made. {{user childfree}} is tagged and I made a summary about userfy/German Solution. Jaguara 05:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My user page

Why are you doing things to my user page? --Michael Johnson 05:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please read through User:Shayl/Changing user pages (which I linked to in my edit summary). If you have further questions, I will try my best to answer them. —Mi ra 05:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Male/Female controversial?

I could see how MBTI boxes might be controverisal and thus need migration, but male and female? Has the UBX problem really spiraled down to that level? Wow. Hbdragon88 07:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it's really controversial, I just grabbed all the userboxes off of the former Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sexuality and started migrating. —Mi ra 07:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another userbox fan speaks

I just wanted to thank you for the bit of userbox work you did on my page. I think this is a great idea because I really like userboxes, and I'd like to keep the ones I have (and have the option to change them in the future), but frankly I'm too lazy to start making such changes myself. I'll be adding the "User DEUTSCH" box to my page, and I've added your "other" userboxes page to my watchlist. Keep up the good work! - Ugliness Man 13:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words.

—Mi ra 19:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About the recent edit you made to User:Vesther

I should really point out that I'm a Mac User (if you are aware of it), and I don't use AWB like other Wikipedians do, because AWB is likely a Windows-only code to use for Wikipedia, and I felt that the changes were only minor, and the explanation should've been listed mainly as a bug/syntax fix, so in the future, I appreciate if you list any bug/syntax/template/redirect fixes as being "bug fixes" because in the past, I've listed all of my syntax fixes as "bug fixes" and as "minor fixes". I don't mind you having to do any bug fixes on my page, but I appreciate if you list the edit as minor and as "bug fixes" that would certainly help that you are really doing those bug/syntax fixes. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 21:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well first off, you're right, that should have been marked as minor, I must have unchecked the box or something, sorry about that. Secondly, I don't understand what you mean by "bug fixes." You want me to use "bug fixes" as my edit summary? Because something tells me that not many people would find that informative. —Mi ra 21:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Bug Fix, in Wikipedia lingo, can apply to fixing some sort of link error, wikicoding error, and/or redirect error (Example of your edits) to ensure that the syntax used won't result in any accidental redirects and/or broken link errors, or in the worst case, result in a horrible wikiarticle appearance. It can also be called a Syntax Fix as well, which was the case with the edit example I'm listing. Hope this clears up the confusion...— Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 23:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been here a while, and I've never heard that term used. Are you sure it's "Wikipedia lingo"? Anyway, I think the edit summary I currently use is more informative than simply "bug fixes." —Mi ra 01:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be Wikipedia lingo, but preferrably, a generic term used to describe the minor edit you did in my user page, since I deemed it to be more like of a "bug/syntax fix". Just about every Wikipedian probably did some Bug and/or Syntax fixing as a minor edit at some point of their tenures somehow... I'm just gonna stop talking about it and not debate any further, as you will soon learn that people's takes in minor edits differ from other's points-of-view, as I really appreciate the bug fix you did on my page (as I never knew about the bug). — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 03:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I told you that I meant it to be minor, and there was no bug... —Mi ra 03:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info

Thanks for the info, Mira! I'm so sorry I've been on Wikibreak and will be so for some time. I can only do some minor edits once in a while but not prolonged work. I'll be back though but not soon. Lafem 02:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GUS

Let me get this straight on the German Userbox Solution. If I create a userbox, it gets attributed to ME?--M W Johnson 06:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure I understand the question... —Mi ra 07:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why you have removed Greek Dodekatheism Userboxes?

In the userboxes Ideas page, If not, explain me your reasons?.--User:Atenea26. 15:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry you put they in new userboxes, Then thanks ; )--User:Atenea26. 15:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, just moving them to the right place, that's all. :) —Mi ra 21:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thanks for creating my proposed userbox for WikiProject Cetaceans! --Gray Porpoise 16:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome.

—Mi ra 21:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted templates

Template:User Soft Butch, Template:User SOFFA, Template:User Lipstick, Template:User HRC, Template:User Gender Equality, Template:User androgynous-online, Template:User bifemale, Template:User bimale, Template:User boi, Template:User androgynous, Template:User ally, Template:User transsexual, Template:User queerrights, Template:User queer-4

These templates have been deleted, as requested. (aeropagitica) (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. —Mi ra 06:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Phew! (aeropagitica) (talk)

Heh, I'm sorry about all the work, these probably should have been deleted one at a time, when I was finished with each. —Mi ra 06:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]