Talk:List of headgear
(copied from User talk:GUllman)
Hi, thanks for your edit on list of hats and headgear, it's very patchy at the moment. :) I was wondering why you removed Cardinal's Hat though? Cheers, fabiform | talk 22:26, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Because a bishop/cardinal's hat is called a 'miter', which was already on the list. Although it was misspelled 'mitre', which I just corrected, and I added bishop's hat in parentheses after it. I think the uncommon words should have a short definition afterward so people don't have to click on all the links if they don't know what the hat they have in mind is called. GUllman 20:23, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Well, this list aims to (eventually) cover hats for all periods and cultures, so a couple words after each link (and eventually more sub-divisions) will be a very good idea.
- I'm going to put "cardinal's hat" back though as it is the name of an older style of hat a cardinal used to wear (CARDINAL'S HAT (from 13c.) Red hat with short, rounded crown and broad flat brim. Rank was designated by the number of tassels which terminated the cords.[1]).
- By the way, miter/mitre can be spelled either way, so we might as well include both to avoid confusion. I've just discovered that a mitre can be several different kinds of headgear, including an Egyptian headdress. The scope of this project it quite daunting! I'm going to copy and paste this conversation into the talk page since it probably deserves to be preserved/continued there. :) fabiform | talk 20:45, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- That's right, a mitre is a specific shape - not at all like a cardinal's hat, even if a bishop were the equivalent of a cardinal, which it isn't. Interesting topic, though. Deb 20:47, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Bishops wear miters, and so those cardinals who are bishops (most of them) are seen wearing it too. A biretta (already on the list) is a colored skullcap with three low ridges on it; anyone from a priest to a cardinal can wear it. I'm having trouble picturing a historical hat that only cardinals wore, but if there is one, title of the article should be the name of the hat, not just "cardinal's hat". GUllman 21:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Is the "Cardinal's hat" not = "red galero with 15 fiocchi". That is, the basic hat is a "galero", aka "ecclesiastical hat" aka "pilgrim's hat", which is green for a bishop and red for a cardinal, decorated with varying numbers of tassels ("fiocchi"): 15 for a cardinal, 10 for an archbishop, 6 for a bishop? - Nunh-huh 22:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, that is what it is called! The OED has it as an entry: "Cardinal's (or Cardinal, obsolete) hat, the red hat worn by a cardinal, taken typically for his dignity or office". It is also included in the glossary of hats I linked to above. It is also called that on this guide to vestments and this thesaurus entry. You'll have to complain to the person who named it for not coming up with anything more exciting. ;) fabiform | talk 22:05, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Still on the subject of this 'ere cardinal's hat, I'm sorry if I've assumed too much. Surely the cardinal's hat is one that is not actually worn. I'm not a Catholic, but I understood that it was a kind of symbol, and that it was hung up above their graves or something, to denote their office. It's red with a big wide brim, whereas a mitre is tall and pointy. Deb 22:11, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- I think you're right in that it's not worn today, but IFAIK it's a real hat in the sense that it was worn in the past, like the Papal Tiara is know a symbol more than a hat. As this list grows, we might need to hack up the religious section into "things worn today", "things not worn but still recognised as symbols" and "really historical headgear". We could start that right now if you like, or wait for the section to fill out a bit? fabiform | talk 22:18, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've removed the Porkpie/Trilby from the 'hats not commonly worn' list to the commonly worn one. They're still popular, and I see people wearing them regularly in everyday occasions. FrFintonStack 23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I should probably announce on this page that I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Hats and Headgear the other day. It's very new... the project page isn't even organised yet, but it should in future be a good way to coordinate the work of anyone who's interesting in writing any of the (hundreds) of articles it could contain. :) fabiform | talk 20:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
List of hats? - Nice idea ;) . Shouldn't there be fur caps/hats in it? Just curious, Kosebamse 14:34, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- :) There are a couple furry hats (bearskin, beaver) but the list is full of gaping holes, so add any that you can think of. It was a very short list on hat until about a week ago, so it is very far from complete! fabiform | talk 14:41, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't know anything about fur hats (except that I like mine a lot) and even don't know the right words in English, so if you would like to, perhaps... Kosebamse 15:05, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Graduate hat or "grad hat" ?
A widespread opinion says that it is possible to find anything on internet. Perhaps ! But I disperately search an historical explanation about the origins and the "why" of this strange (and ridiculous) square hat used to put on the head of the graduated students of universities.
Who invented it ? When ? Why ? Symbolism ?
Thanks --Sonusfaber 07:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)