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=Comments=
==Events==
==Smart growth==
*[[1138]] - A [[1138 Aleppo earthquake|massive earthquake]] struck [[Aleppo]], [[Syria]].
Well, we've been going back and forth on the Smart Growth section, so I figured this would be an appropriate place to discuss it.
*[[1531]] - [[Huldrych Zwingli]] is killed in battle with the Roman Catholic cantons of Switzerland.
A few people here have been adamant that this be written as an issue specific only to Northern Virginia.
*[[1582]] - Because of the implementation of the [[Gregorian calendar]], this day does not exist in this year in [[Italy]], [[Poland]], [[Portugal]] and [[Spain]].
*[[1614]] - [[Adriaen Block]] and 12 [[Amsterdam]] merchants petition the [[Estates-General of the Netherlands|States General]] for exclusive trading rights in the [[New Netherland]] colony.
*[[1634]] - the [[Burchardi flood]] — "the second Grote Mandrenke" killed around 15,000 men in [[North Friesland]], Denmark and Germany.
*[[1776]] - [[American Revolution]]: [[Battle of Valcour Island]] - On [[Lake Champlain]] 15 [[United States|American]] gunboats are defeated but give Patriot forces enough time to prepare defenses of [[New York City]].
*[[1809]] - Along the [[Natchez Trace]] in [[Tennessee]], explorer [[Meriwether Lewis]] dies under mysterious circumstances at an inn called Grinder's Stand.
*[[1811]] - Inventor [[John Stevens (inventor)|John Stevens]]' boat, the ''Juliana'', begins operation as the first [[steam]]-powered [[ferry]] (service between [[New York, New York]], and [[Hoboken, New Jersey]]).
*[[1852]] - The [[University of Sydney]], [[Australia]]'s oldest [[university]], is inaugurated in [[Sydney]].
*[[1862]] - [[American Civil War]]: In the aftermath of the [[Battle of Antietam]], [[Confederate States of America|Confederate]] General [[J.E.B. Stuart]] and his men loot [[Chambersburg, Pennsylvania]], during a raid into the north.
*[[1864]] - [[Campina Grande]], [[Brazil]] was established as a [[city]].
*[[1865]] - [[Paul Bogle]] led hundreds of black men and women in a march in [[Jamaica]], starting the [[Morant Bay rebellion]].
*[[1890]] - In [[Washington, DC]], the [[Daughters of the American Revolution]] is founded.
*[[1899]] - [[Second Boer War]] begins: In [[South Africa]], a war between the [[United Kingdom]] and the [[Boers]] of the [[Transvaal]] and [[Orange Free State]] erupts.
*[[1899]] - The [[Western League (U.S. baseball)|Western League]] was renamed the [[American League]].
*[[1906]] - [[San Francisco, California|San Francisco]] public school board sparks [[United States]] diplomatic crisis with [[Japan]] by ordering Japanese students to be taught in racially segregated schools.
*[[1910]] - Ex-president [[Theodore Roosevelt]] becomes the first U.S. president to fly in an airplane. He flew for four minutes with [[Arch Hoxsey]] in a plane built by the [[Wright Brothers]] at Kinloch Field ([[Lambert-St. Louis International Airport]]), [[St. Louis, Missouri]].
*[[1929]] - [[JC Penney]] opens store #1252 in [[Milford, Delaware]], making it a nationwide company with stores in all 48 [[U.S. state]]s.
*[[1941]] - Beginning of the [[National Liberation War of Macedonia]].
*[[1942]] - [[World War II]]: [[Battle of Cape Esperance]] - On the northwest coast of [[Guadalcanal]], [[United States Navy]] ships intercept and defeat a [[Japan]]ese fleet on their way to reinforce troops on the island.
*[[1944]] - [[Tuvinian People's Republic]] or formerly [[Tannu Tuva]] was annexed by the U.S.S.R
*[[1950]] - [[Television]]: CBS's [[Field-sequential color system|mechanical color system]] is the first to be licensed for broadcast by the U.S. [[Federal Communications Commission]].
*[[1954]] - [[First Indochina War]]: The [[Viet Minh]] take control of [[North Vietnam]].
*[[1957]] - [[Space Race]]: [[The M.I.T. Computation Center and Operation Moonwatch|M.I.T.]] scientists calculate [[Sputnik I]]'s [[Sputnik rocket|booster rocket's]] [[orbit]].
*[[1958]] - [[Pioneer program]]: [[NASA]] launches the lunar probe [[Pioneer 1]] (the probe falls back to [[Earth]] and burns up).
*[[1962]] - [[Second Vatican Council]]: [[Pope John XXIII]] convenes the first [[ecumenical council]] of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] in 92 years.
*[[1968]] - [[Project Apollo|Apollo program]]: [[NASA]] launches ''[[Apollo 7]],'' the first successful manned Apollo mission, with [[astronaut]]s [[Wally Schirra]], [[Donn F. Eisele]] and [[Walter Cunningham]] aboard.
*[[1975]] - The [[NBC]] sketch comedy/variety show ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' debuts with [[George Carlin]] as the host and [[Janis Ian]] and [[Billy Preston]] as musical guests.
*[[1976]] - [[George Washington]]'s appointment, posthumously, to the grade of [[General of the Armies of the United States]] by congressional joint resolution [[s:Public Law 94-479|Public Law 94-479]] was approved by President [[Gerald R. Ford]].
*[[1982]] - The [[Mary Rose]], a Tudor gunship which sank on July 18 1545, is raised from the sea bed in the Solent Channel, near [[Portsmouth]].
*[[1984]] - Aboard the [[Space Shuttle Challenger|Space Shuttle ''Challenger'']], astronaut [[Kathryn D. Sullivan]] becomes the first [[United States|American]] woman to perform a [[space walk]].
*[[1986]] - [[Cold War]]: [[U.S.]] President [[Ronald Reagan]] and [[USSR|Soviet]] leader [[Mikhail Gorbachev]] [[Reykjavik Summit|meet]] in [[Reykjavík]], [[Iceland]], in an effort to continue discussions about scaling back their intermediate [[missile]] arsenals in [[Europe]]. G
*[[1998]] - A [[Congo Airlines]] [[Boeing 727]] is shot down by rebels in Kindu, [[Democratic Republic of the Congo]], killing 40 people.
*[[2000]] - The 100th [[Space Shuttle]] mission ([[STS-92]]) is flown.
*[[2001]] - The [[Polaroid Corporation]] files for federal [[bankruptcy]] protection.
*[[2002]] - A [[Myyrmanni bombing|bomb]] attack in a shopping mall in [[Vantaa]], [[Finland]] kills seven.
==Births==
*[[1335]] - [[Taejo of Joseon]], ruler of Korea (d. [[1408]])
*[[1616]] - [[Andreas Gryphius]], German writer (d. [[1664]])
*[[1661]] - [[Melchior de Polignac]], French diplomat (d. [[1742]])
*[[1671]] - [[Frederick IV of Denmark]] (d. [[1730]])
*[[1671]] - [[Dick|Richard Moungler]] (d. [[1730]])
*[[1672]] - [[Pylyp Orlyk]], Ukrainian Zaporozhian Cossack starshina, diplomat (d. [[1742]])
*[[1675]] - [[Samuel Clarke]], English philosopher (d. [[1729]])
*[[1738]] - [[Arthur Phillip]], Governor of New South Wales (d. [[1814]])
*[[1758]] - [[Heinrich Wilhelm Matthäus Olbers]], German astronomer (d. [[1840]])
*[[1786]] - [[Stevenson Archer]], American Congressman (d. [[1848]])
*[[1788]] - [[Simon Sechter]], Austrian music teacher (d. [[1867]])
*[[1809]] - [[Orson Squire Fowler]], American phrenologist (d. [[1887]])
*[[1814]] - [[Jean Baptiste Lamy]], first [[Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Santa Fe|Archbishop of Santa Fe]] (d. [[1888]])
*[[1815]] - [[Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte]], Italian-born adventurer (d. [[1881]])
*[[1821]] - [[George Williams (YMCA)|George Williams]], English founder of the YMCA (d. [[1905]])
*[[1844]] - [[Henry Heinz]], American food manufacturer (d. [[1916]])
*[[1865]] - [[Hans E. Kinck]], Norwegian author and philologist (d. [[1926]])
*[[1871]] - [[Johan Oscar Smith]], Norweigian religious leader (d. [[1943]])
*[[1872]] - [[Harlan Fiske Stone]], 12th [[Chief Justice of the United States]] (d. [[1946]])
*[[1881]] - [[Hans Kelsen]], Austrian legal theorist (d. [[1973]])
*[[1884]] - [[Friedrich Bergius]], German chemist, [[Nobel Prize in Chemistry|Nobel laureate]] (d. [[1949]])
* 1884 - [[Eleanor Roosevelt]], [[First Lady of the United States]] (d. [[1962]])
* 1884 - [[Sig Ruman]], German-American actor (d. [[1967]])
*[[1885]] - [[Francois Mauriac|François Mauriac]], French author, [[Nobel Prize in Literature|Nobel laureate]] (d. [[1970]])
*[[1895]] - [[Jakov Gotovac]], Croatian composer (d. [[1982]])
*[[1897]] - [[Nathan Twining]], [[USAF]] general (d. [[1982]])
*[[1899]] - [[Eddie Dyer]], American baseball player (d. [[1964]])
*[[1902]] - [[Jayaprakash Narayan]], Indian freedom fighter and political leader (d. [[1979]])
*[[1905]] - [[Fred Trump]], American real estate developer, father of [[Donald Trump]] (d. [[1999]])
*[[1913]] - [[Dorothy Woolfolk]], American comic book editor (d. [[2000]])
*[[1918]] - [[Jerome Robbins]], American choreographer (d. [[1998]])
*[[1919]] - [[Art Blakey]], American jazz drummer (d. [[1990]])
* 1919 - [[Jean Vander Pyl]], American voice actress (d. [[1999]])
*[[1924]] - [[Mal Whitfield]], American athlete
*[[1925]] - [[Elmore Leonard]], American novelist
*[[1926]] - [[Neville Wran]], Premier of New South Wales
* 1926 - [[Nhat Hanh|Nhất Hạnh]], Vietnamese Zen Buddhist monk
*[[1927]] - Princess [[Joséphine-Charlotte of Belgium]] (d. [[2005]])
*[[1928]] - [[Alfonso de Portago]], Spanish race car driver (d. [[1957]])
*[[1929]] - [[Liselotte Pulver]], Swiss actress
*[[1930]] - [[Sam Johnson]], American politician
* 1930 - [[LaVell Edwards]], American football coach
*[[1932]] - [[Dottie West]], American singer (d. [[1991]])
*[[1936]] - [[Billy Higgins]], American jazz drummer (d. [[2001]])
*[[1937]] - Sir [[Bobby Charlton]], English footballer
* 1937 - [[R. H. W. Dillard]], American poet
*[[1939]] - [[Maria Bueno]], Brazilian tennis player
* 1939 - [[Austin Currie]], Northern Irish politician
*[[1941]] - [[Lester Bowie]], American jazz trumpeter (d. [[1999]])
* 1941 - [[Charles Shyer]], American film director
*[[1942]] - [[Amitabh Bachchan]], Indian actor
*[[1943]] - [[John Nettles]], English actor
*[[1944]] - [[Mike Fiore]], American baseball player
*[[1944]] - [[Rodney Marsh]], English Footballer
*[[1946]] - [[Sawao Kato]], Japanese gymnast
* 1946 - [[Oba Chandler]], American convicted murderer
* 1946 - [[Daryl Hall]], American musician
* 1946 - [[Gary Mallaber]], American musician ([[The Steve Miller Band]])
*[[1947]] - [[Al Atkins]], English musician
* 1947 - [[Lucas Papademos]], Greek economist
* 1947 - [[Thomas Boswell]], American sports columnist
*[[1948]] - [[Cecilia (Spanish singer)|Cecilia]], Spanish singer-songwriter
*[[1950]] - [[Patty Murray]], American politician, [[senior senator]] from [[Washington]]
*[[1951]] - [[Jean-Jacques Goldman]], French singer/songwriter
*[[1953]] - [[David Morse (actor)|David Morse]], American actor
*[[1956]] - [[Nicanor Duarte Frutos]], [[President of Paraguay]]
*[[1957]] - [[Paul Bown]], English actor
* 1957 - [[Dawn French]], Welsh comedian
* 1957 - [[Paul Sereno]], American paleontologist
*[[1958]] - [[Gregory Dudek]], Canadian roboticist and computer scientist
*[[1959]] - [[Wayne Gardner]], Australian racing driver
*[[1960]] - [[Curt Ford]], American baseball player
*[[1961]] - [[Neil Buchanan]], English television presenter
* 1961 - [[Amr Diab]], Egyptian singer
* 1961 - [[Steve Young (American football)|Steve Young]], American football player
*[[1962]] - [[Nicola Bryant]], English actress
* 1962 - [[Joan Cusack]], American actress
*[[1963]] - [[Prince Faisal bin Al Hussein]] of Jordan
* 1963 - [[Ronny Rosenthal]], Israeli footballer
*[[1964]] - [[Michael J. Nelson]], American actor
*[[1965]] - [[Alexander Hacke]], German musician ([[Einstürzende Neubauten]])
* 1965 - [[Sean Patrick Flanery]], American actor
*[[1966]] - [[Solofa Fatu]], aka Rikishi, American professional wrestler
*[[1966]] - [[Luke Perry]], American actor
*[[1967]] - [[Tony Chimel]], American professional wrestling announcer
* 1967 - [[Artie Lange]], American actor and comedian
* 1967 - [[David Starr]], American race car driver
* 1967 - [[Peter Senerchia|Tazz]], American professional wrestler and commentator
*[[1968]] - [[Claude Lapointe]], Canadian ice hockey player
* 1968 - [[Jane Krakowski]], American actress
*[[1969]] - [[Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands]]
*[[1970]] - [[Chidi Ahanotu]], American football player
* 1970 - [[Andy Marriott]], English footballer
* 1970 - [[U-God]], American rapper ([[Wu-Tang Clan]])
* 1970 - [[Constance Zimmer]], American actress
*[[1971]] - [[MC Lyte]], American rapper
* 1971 - [[Petra Haden]], American musician ([[The Rentals]])
* 1971 - [[Jason Ellis]], Australian professional skateboarder
*[[1972]] - [[Claudia Black]], Australian actress
*[[1973]] - [[Takeshi Kaneshiro]], actor/model
* 1973 - [[Steven Pressley]], Scottish footballer
* 1973 - [[Mike Smith (guitarist)|Mike Smith]], American guitarist ([[Snot]], [[Limp Bizkit]])
* 1973 - [[Dmitri Young]], American baseball player
* 1973 - [[Niki Xanthou]], Greek long jumper
*[[1974]] - [[Jason Arnott]], Canadian ice hockey player
* 1974 - [[Terje Haakonsen]], Norwegian snowboarder
*[[1976]] - [[Emily Deschanel]], American actress
* 1976 - [[Brent Bennett]], American mercenary
*[[1977]] - [[Matthew Bomer]], American actor
* 1977 - [[Desmond Mason]], American basketball player
* 1977 - [[Claudia Palacios]], Colombian television journalist
* 1977 - [[Ty Wigginton]], American baseball player
*[[1978]] - [[Kali (footballer)|Kali]], Angolan footballer
*[[1979]] - [[Bae Doona]], South Korean model and actress
* 1979 - [[Andy Douglas]], American professional wrestler
* 1979 - [[Gabe Saporta]], Uruguayan-born American musician ([[Cobra Starship]], [[Midtown (band)|Midtown]])
*[[1980]] - [[Nyron Nosworthy]], English footballer
*[[1981]] - [[Beau Brady]], Australian Actor
*[[1983]] - [[William Sledd]], American internet personality
* 1983 - [[Ruslan Ponomariov]], Ukrainian chess player
*[[1984]] - [[Sergio Hellings]], Dutch footballer
* 1984 - [[Martha MacIsaac]], Canadian actress
*[[1985]] - [[Michelle Trachtenberg]], American actress
*[[1987]] - [[Mike Conley, Jr.]], American basketball player
*[[1989]] - [[Henry Lau]], member of Korean Boy Band [[Super Junior M]]
* 1989 - [[Michelle Wie]], American golfer
*[[1991]] - [[Chauncey Matthews]], [[American Juniors]] singer
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Personally, I don't believe that, but I don't expect you to go on my personal beliefs here.
==Deaths==
*[[1188]] - [[Robert I of Dreux]], son of [[Louis VI of France]]
*[[1303]] - [[Pope Boniface VIII]]
*[[1347]] - [[Louis IV, Holy Roman Emperor]] (b. [[1282]])
*[[1424]] - [[Jan Žižka]], leader of the [[Hussites]] (b. [[1360]])
*[[1531]] - [[Huldrych Zwingli]], Swiss Protestant leader (b. [[1484]])
*[[1705]] - [[Guillaume Amontons]], French physicist and instrument maker (b. [[1663]])
*[[1708]] - [[Ehrenfried Walther von Tschirnhaus]], German mathematician (b. [[1651]])
*[[1721]] - [[Edward Colston]], English merchant and philanthropist (b. [[1636]])
*[[1725]] - [[Hans Herr]], Swiss-born Mennonite bishop (b. [[1639]])
*[[1779]] - [[Kazimierz Pułaski]], Polish fighter for American independence (b. [[1745]])
*[[1809]] - [[Meriwether Lewis]], American explorer (b. [[1774]])
*[[1811]] - [[Johann Conrad Ammann]], Swiss physician and naturalist (b. [[1724]])
*[[1821]] - [[John Ross Key]], American judge and lawyer (b. [[1754]])
*[[1852]] - [[Ferdinand Eisenstein]], German mathematician (b. [[1823]])
*[[1889]] - [[James Prescott Joule]], English physicist (b. [[1818]])
*[[1896]] - [[Anton Bruckner]], Austrian composer (b. [[1824]])
* 1896 - [[Edward White Benson]], [[Archbishop of Canterbury]] (b. [[1829]])
*[[1935]] - [[Steele Rudd]], Australian author (b. [[1868]])
*[[1940]] - [[Lluis Companys|Lluís Companys]], President of Generalitat of Catalonia (shot) (b. [[1882]])
* 1940 - [[Vito Volterra]], Italian mathematician and physicist (b. [[1860]])
*[[1961]] - [[Chico Marx]], American comedian (b. [[1887]])
*[[1963]] - [[Jean Cocteau]], French writer (b. [[1889]])
*[[1965]] - [[Dorothea Lange]], American photographer (b. [[1895]])
* 1965 - [[Walther Stampfli]], [[member of the Swiss Federal Council]] (b. [[1884]])
*[[1971]] - [[Chesty Puller]], the most decorated Marine in history (b. [[1898]])
*[[1976]] - [[Alfredo Bracchi]], Italian author (b. [[1897]])
*[[1977]] - [[MacKinlay Kantor]], American author (b. [[1904]])
*[[1988]] - [[Bonita Granville]], American actress (b. [[1923]])
*[[1989]] - [[M. King Hubbert]], American geophysicist (b. [[1904]])
*[[1991]] - [[Steven Jesse Bernstein]], American underground poet (suicide) (b. [[1950]])
* 1991 - [[Redd Foxx]], American comedian and actor (b. [[1922]])
*[[1993]] - [[Jess Thomas]], American tenor (b. [[1927]])
*[[1996]] - [[Lars Ahlfors]], Finnish mathematician (b. [[1907]])
* 1996 - [[Joe Morris (trade unionist)|Joe Morris]], C.C., LL.D., Canadian trade unionist (b. [[1913]])
* 1996 - [[Renato Russo]], [[Brazilian rock]] singer-songwriter (b. [[1960]])
*[[1998]] - [[Richard Denning]], American actor (b. [[1914]])
*[[2000]] - [[Donald Dewar]], First Minister of Scotland (b. [[1937]])
*[[2002]] - [[Dina Pathak]], Indian Actress (b. [[1922]])
*[[2004]] - [[Keith Miller]], Australian sportsman (b. [[1919]])
*[[2005]] - [[Edward Szczepanik]], Polish economist and Prime Minister in exile (b. [[1915]])
* 2005 - [[Shan-ul-Haq Haqqee]], Linguist, and writer of Pakistan (b. [[1917]])
*[[2006]] - [[Cory Lidle]], American baseball pitcher (b. [[1972]])
* 2006 - [[Howard Kerzner]], Chief Executive Officer of Kerzner International (b. [[1964]])
*[[2007]] - [[Werner von Trapp]], member of the Trapp Family Singers (b. [[1915]])
* 2007 - [[David Lee "Tex" Hill]], [[World War Two]] fighter pilot, [[flying ace]], 1st [[American Volunteer Group]] (b. [[1915]])
*[[2008]] - [[Jörg Haider]], Austrian far-right politician (b. [[1950]])
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So let's instead see what Kaine himself has to say on the subject. Go to the main campaign webpage, click on "Issues" and go to the section under transportation (or skip all that and just click [http://www.kaine2005.org/issues/transportation.php here]). Now, scroll down to the section entitled "Grow Right, Get There Faster". As far as I can tell, this is the only section on his web page that deals with Smart Growth economics, and if you find another section, please feel free to point me in that direction. In any case, he talks about it here. Nowhere is the phrase "Northern Virginia" even mentioned. He talks about it as he would apply it to Virginia on the whole, and as such, I don't see any reason to fence this off as specifically an Northern Virginia issue here.
==Holidays and observances==
*[[Roman Empire]] - [[Meditrinalia]] is held in honor of [[Meditrina]]
*[[Calendar of Saints|RC Saints]] - memorial of the blessed [[Pope John XXIII]]; [[Saints Andronicus, Probus, and Tarachus]]; [[Alexander Sauli]];
*[[United States]] - [[National Coming Out Day]]
*[[Republic of Macedonia]] - [[National Liberation War of Macedonia|Revolution Day]]


That's my case to stick to the way I've edited it. Is there anything about that that doesn't sit well with anyone? [[User:Amargo Scribe|Amargo Scribe]] 00:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
==External links==
* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/11 BBC: On This Day]
* {{NYT On this day|month=10|day=11}}
* [http://www1.sympatico.ca/cgi-bin/on_this_day?mth=Oct&day=11 On This Day in Canada]
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I don't know what Smart Growth is, and it's introduced by saying that it's bad. Then the proponents' sentence is ended noting the stance is dubious. Not sure if it's POV or just a typo, could the writer reword or trim and just link to the definition/controversy? ''Bob is a proponent of cheese which critics think is naughty. Proponents say cheese is good, but critics disagree.'' [[User:Djbell|Djbell]] 21:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
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==Failure to Get Virginia Cops 287(g) Training Should Be Discussed in the Article==
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Although Virginia has been flooded by illegal immigrants, Governor Kaine has failed to take steps to allow Virginia state police to get 287(g) training.
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Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides the legal authority for state and local enforcement to investigate, detain, and arrest aliens on civil and crimi­nal grounds. Kaine has expressed so little concern for the problem of illegal immigration that Virginia police officers have not gotten §287(g) training. As a consequence, Virginia essentially remains a haven for illegal immigrants, with the consequent crime and the consequent burdens on public schools. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.44.145.138|70.44.145.138]] ([[User talk:70.44.145.138|talk]]) 23:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== "Overwhelmingly prochoice" ==
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Is there some documentation for that claim?
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<s>==waite until January 2006==
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Until January 2006 (unless Warner dies, resigns or is removed), Kaine is still Lt.Gov. of Virginia ,therefore he shouldn't have a Governor of Virginia template (until he's governor). [[Mightberight/wrong]] 14:09, 9 November 2005.<s>
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He's "personally pro-life" but he supports abortion rights. He's pro-choice and should not be listed in the group for pro-life politicians. [[User:The Secretary of Funk|The Secretary of Funk]] 08:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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== Kaine born in Minnesota ==
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Tim Kaine was born in St. Paul, Minnesota (See [http://www.kaine2005.org/news/articles/20051023c.php]), not Kansas City, Mo.
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--[[User:Bullproof9|Bullproof9]] 18:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Info box ==
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There seems to be an edit war in the making over whether to have an infor box and how to style the information, since Kaine has not yet been sworn in as Governor. Rather than reverting each other, can we discuss it here and come to a consensus? Thanks! [[User:TMS63112|TMS63112]] 20:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
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*wait until January 2006 (Part II), I disagree with info boxes that make assumptions. Codey of New Jersey & Warner of Virginia don't leave office until January 2006. Thought unlikely, either retiring Governor could die, resign or be removed. Alot can happen in the weeks left in their respective terms. Does anyone agree or disagree? [[Mightberight/wrong]] 20:36, 9 November 2005.
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Early leads.
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There is no way he has a +14 in the Valley.
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== New Photo ==
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[[ga:11 Deireadh Fómhair]]
At Kaine's Governor-elect site, there is a new photo (official Governor's photo) available.
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[[gv:11 Jerrey Fouyir]]
http://www.govelect.virginia.gov/ <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:24.151.243.8|24.151.243.8]] ([[User talk:24.151.243.8|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/24.151.243.8|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
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== Requested citation ==
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[[hr:11. listopada]]
I deleted the portion about Kaine running a "pro-choice" and "pro-death penaly" campaign. I worked for the campaign and i can promise you that he did neither. (unsigned comment by [[User:68.48.81.61]])
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:Thank you, but Wikipedia does not publish [[WP:OR|original research]]. I restored the paragraph with a request for citation. If one can't be provided, the material should be removed. [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] <sup>[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]</sup> 03:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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== "His Excellency" ==
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Question. Over on [[Mitt Romney]]'s page, they use the title "his Excellency" right up top. Since that if officialy a Virginia Governor's title, should we put it on here? <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:24.151.243.8|24.151.243.8]] ([[User talk:24.151.243.8|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/24.151.243.8|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
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== Revert war over photo ==
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There appears to be a revert war going on regarding which photo to use for Governor Kaine. The two images are:
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<td>[[Image:Kaine-StatePortrait.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"State Portrait"]]</td>
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Rather than just knocking it back and forth, how about talking about it and see what the community at large would prefer? --[[User:StuffOfInterest|StuffOfInterest]] 18:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
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=== Those who like "State Portrait" ===
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# Fits in with portrait of previous governors <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:Cmc0|Cmc0]] ([[User talk:Cmc0|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Cmc0|contribs]])</small>
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#'''Public domain''', not subject to surprise deletion. — <small>Feb. 21, '06</small> <tt class=plainlinks>'''[00:54] <[[user:freakofnurture/ |freakof]][[special:newpages |nu]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza |r<sub>x</sub>]][[special:random |ture]][[special:ipblocklist ||]]<font color=002BB8>[{{fullurl:user talk:freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} talk]</font>>'''</tt>
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=== Those who like "Governor" ===
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# Better background, more centered body position. --[[User:StuffOfInterest|StuffOfInterest]] 18:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
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==Clarification==
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"On April 17, Governor Kaine ordered an independent review yesterday of Virginia Tech's handling of Monday's massacre after 24 hours of criticism that the university waited too long to inform students and faculty of a potential danger."
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What does yesterday mean in this context? It should probably be edited to make it clear which date it refers to. [[User:128.194.97.20|128.194.97.20]] 13:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Presidential candidacy? ==
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My sister said she heard something on the news claiming that Kaine is considering running for President. Accurate? [[User:WAVY 10|WAVY 10]] 14:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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== "Highest Approval rating in the country" ==
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I removed the sentence from the first paragraph that stated that Kaine had the highest approval rating of any Governor in the country. First, the poll is outdated now by at least two months. Second, the SurveyUSA polls referenced only polled a handful of states, not all of the states in the country. Third, in more recent polling, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has approval ratings in the high 80s, low 90s, smashing Kaine's 60% rating.
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: Fourth, Kaine's popularity has diminished considerably because of Kaine's failure to control the tsunami of illegal immigration in the Commonwealth of Virginia.<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.44.153.18|70.44.153.18]] ([[User talk:70.44.153.18|talk]]) 20:29, October 10, 2008 </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->
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Aside from Palin, Governor Joe Manchin also has extraordinarily high ratings, as do Kathy Sebelius, Jodi Rell, Jim Douglas, Charlie Crist, Dave Freudenthal, Brian Schweitzer, John Hoeven, Mike Rounds, and John Lynch.
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== Pro-life? ==
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The article says:
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Tim Kaine has stated he has a "faith-based opposition to abortion". [2] He also supports promoting abstinence and opposes late-term abortion.[3] Tim Kaine is a member of Democrats For Life of America.
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This is a horribly imbalanced and mischaracterizing passage. A quick Google search reveals that Kaine's positions on abortion and sex education shouldn't be characterized like this. See [http://mediamatters.org/items/200511110006 here] and [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/12/AR2007111201716.html here], for example. Also, the statement about Kaine being a member of Democrats for Life of America is wholly un-sourced and I can find no support for it.
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Until someone clears these issues up, I'm taking this passage out.
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Just a notet I think he pretty much stated this in an interview I saw him in end of July beginning of August I will try and find. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.25.182.183|86.25.182.183]] ([[User talk:86.25.182.183|talk]]) 07:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Richmond murder rate ==
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The end of this section:
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<blockquote>The City of Richmond had been long notorious for having one of the highest murder rates in the United States. The trend had worsened greatly in the 1980s, and had continued into the 1990s. As mayor, Kaine was credited with helping to create and implement the gun law known as Project Exile. </blockquote>
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makes no sense. Did the murder rate go down during his time on the council (and as Mayor). Tie the points together, please. Also, add citations. [[User:AlbertHall|AlbertHall]] ([[User talk:AlbertHall|talk]]) 18:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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== Image of signature ==
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In my correspondence with the office of Tim Kaine over GFDL-ing some of their images, the webmaster made this request:
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:Also, on Tim Kaine's page, there is a graphic of his signature that needs to be taken down for obvious security reasons. The graphic's page is located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tim_Kaine_Signature.png
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:The Licensing section states that this work is in the public domain in the US because it is a work of the United States Federal Government. Then it states under the "Comment" heading that the graphic was taken from an email distributed on the Moving Virginia Forward PAC mailing list. A PAC office is by definition a private group, not affiliated with the United States Federal Government, so there's obviously a conflict here. Please let me know when this graphic can be removed.
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Given that the office of Governor Kaine objects to the image being on Wikipedia for security reasons, I have removed it from the article to show good faith until the copyright status can be definitely determined on [[Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images]].
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--[[User:Ryan Delaney|Ryan Delaney]] [[User talk:Ryan Delaney|<sup><b>talk</b></sup>]] 21:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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== Last name ==
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I didn't know his last name was spelled with a "K". Should Tim Caine and/or Tim Cain redirect or (sorry for the made-up verb) disambiguate to the Tim Kaine page? [[Special:Contributions/192.85.50.2|192.85.50.2]] ([[User talk:192.85.50.2|talk]]) 17:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

:I've redirected [[Tim Caine]] to this article. Thanks for the suggestion. --[[User:Ryan Delaney|Ryan Delaney]] [[User talk:Ryan Delaney|<sup><b>talk</b></sup>]] 04:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 04:49, 11 October 2008

Comments

Smart growth

Well, we've been going back and forth on the Smart Growth section, so I figured this would be an appropriate place to discuss it. A few people here have been adamant that this be written as an issue specific only to Northern Virginia.

Personally, I don't believe that, but I don't expect you to go on my personal beliefs here.

So let's instead see what Kaine himself has to say on the subject. Go to the main campaign webpage, click on "Issues" and go to the section under transportation (or skip all that and just click here). Now, scroll down to the section entitled "Grow Right, Get There Faster". As far as I can tell, this is the only section on his web page that deals with Smart Growth economics, and if you find another section, please feel free to point me in that direction. In any case, he talks about it here. Nowhere is the phrase "Northern Virginia" even mentioned. He talks about it as he would apply it to Virginia on the whole, and as such, I don't see any reason to fence this off as specifically an Northern Virginia issue here.

That's my case to stick to the way I've edited it. Is there anything about that that doesn't sit well with anyone? Amargo Scribe 00:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what Smart Growth is, and it's introduced by saying that it's bad. Then the proponents' sentence is ended noting the stance is dubious. Not sure if it's POV or just a typo, could the writer reword or trim and just link to the definition/controversy? Bob is a proponent of cheese which critics think is naughty. Proponents say cheese is good, but critics disagree. Djbell 21:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


Failure to Get Virginia Cops 287(g) Training Should Be Discussed in the Article

Although Virginia has been flooded by illegal immigrants, Governor Kaine has failed to take steps to allow Virginia state police to get 287(g) training. Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provides the legal authority for state and local enforcement to investigate, detain, and arrest aliens on civil and crimi­nal grounds. Kaine has expressed so little concern for the problem of illegal immigration that Virginia police officers have not gotten §287(g) training. As a consequence, Virginia essentially remains a haven for illegal immigrants, with the consequent crime and the consequent burdens on public schools. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.145.138 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

"Overwhelmingly prochoice"

Is there some documentation for that claim?

==waite until January 2006== Until January 2006 (unless Warner dies, resigns or is removed), Kaine is still Lt.Gov. of Virginia ,therefore he shouldn't have a Governor of Virginia template (until he's governor). Mightberight/wrong 14:09, 9 November 2005.

He's "personally pro-life" but he supports abortion rights. He's pro-choice and should not be listed in the group for pro-life politicians. The Secretary of Funk 08:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Kaine born in Minnesota

Tim Kaine was born in St. Paul, Minnesota (See [1]), not Kansas City, Mo.

--Bullproof9 18:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Info box

There seems to be an edit war in the making over whether to have an infor box and how to style the information, since Kaine has not yet been sworn in as Governor. Rather than reverting each other, can we discuss it here and come to a consensus? Thanks! TMS63112 20:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

  • wait until January 2006 (Part II), I disagree with info boxes that make assumptions. Codey of New Jersey & Warner of Virginia don't leave office until January 2006. Thought unlikely, either retiring Governor could die, resign or be removed. Alot can happen in the weeks left in their respective terms. Does anyone agree or disagree? Mightberight/wrong 20:36, 9 November 2005.

Early leads. There is no way he has a +14 in the Valley.

New Photo

At Kaine's Governor-elect site, there is a new photo (official Governor's photo) available.

http://www.govelect.virginia.gov/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.151.243.8 (talk • contribs) .

Requested citation

I deleted the portion about Kaine running a "pro-choice" and "pro-death penaly" campaign. I worked for the campaign and i can promise you that he did neither. (unsigned comment by User:68.48.81.61)

Thank you, but Wikipedia does not publish original research. I restored the paragraph with a request for citation. If one can't be provided, the material should be removed. Tom Harrison Talk 03:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

"His Excellency"

Question. Over on Mitt Romney's page, they use the title "his Excellency" right up top. Since that if officialy a Virginia Governor's title, should we put it on here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.151.243.8 (talk • contribs) .

Revert war over photo

There appears to be a revert war going on regarding which photo to use for Governor Kaine. The two images are:

File:Kaine-StatePortrait.jpg
"State Portrait"
File:Gov Tim Kaine.jpg
"Governor"

Rather than just knocking it back and forth, how about talking about it and see what the community at large would prefer? --StuffOfInterest 18:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Those who like "State Portrait"

  1. Fits in with portrait of previous governors —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmc0 (talk • contribs)
  2. Public domain, not subject to surprise deletion. — Feb. 21, '06 [00:54] <freakofnurxture|talk>

Those who like "Governor"

  1. Better background, more centered body position. --StuffOfInterest 18:43, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


Clarification

"On April 17, Governor Kaine ordered an independent review yesterday of Virginia Tech's handling of Monday's massacre after 24 hours of criticism that the university waited too long to inform students and faculty of a potential danger."

What does yesterday mean in this context? It should probably be edited to make it clear which date it refers to. 128.194.97.20 13:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Presidential candidacy?

My sister said she heard something on the news claiming that Kaine is considering running for President. Accurate? WAVY 10 14:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

"Highest Approval rating in the country"

I removed the sentence from the first paragraph that stated that Kaine had the highest approval rating of any Governor in the country. First, the poll is outdated now by at least two months. Second, the SurveyUSA polls referenced only polled a handful of states, not all of the states in the country. Third, in more recent polling, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has approval ratings in the high 80s, low 90s, smashing Kaine's 60% rating.

Fourth, Kaine's popularity has diminished considerably because of Kaine's failure to control the tsunami of illegal immigration in the Commonwealth of Virginia.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.18 (talk) 20:29, October 10, 2008

Aside from Palin, Governor Joe Manchin also has extraordinarily high ratings, as do Kathy Sebelius, Jodi Rell, Jim Douglas, Charlie Crist, Dave Freudenthal, Brian Schweitzer, John Hoeven, Mike Rounds, and John Lynch.

Pro-life?

The article says:

Tim Kaine has stated he has a "faith-based opposition to abortion". [2] He also supports promoting abstinence and opposes late-term abortion.[3] Tim Kaine is a member of Democrats For Life of America.

This is a horribly imbalanced and mischaracterizing passage. A quick Google search reveals that Kaine's positions on abortion and sex education shouldn't be characterized like this. See here and here, for example. Also, the statement about Kaine being a member of Democrats for Life of America is wholly un-sourced and I can find no support for it.

Until someone clears these issues up, I'm taking this passage out.

Just a notet I think he pretty much stated this in an interview I saw him in end of July beginning of August I will try and find. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.182.183 (talk) 07:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Richmond murder rate

The end of this section:

The City of Richmond had been long notorious for having one of the highest murder rates in the United States. The trend had worsened greatly in the 1980s, and had continued into the 1990s. As mayor, Kaine was credited with helping to create and implement the gun law known as Project Exile.

makes no sense. Did the murder rate go down during his time on the council (and as Mayor). Tie the points together, please. Also, add citations. AlbertHall (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Image of signature

In my correspondence with the office of Tim Kaine over GFDL-ing some of their images, the webmaster made this request:

Also, on Tim Kaine's page, there is a graphic of his signature that needs to be taken down for obvious security reasons. The graphic's page is located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tim_Kaine_Signature.png
The Licensing section states that this work is in the public domain in the US because it is a work of the United States Federal Government. Then it states under the "Comment" heading that the graphic was taken from an email distributed on the Moving Virginia Forward PAC mailing list. A PAC office is by definition a private group, not affiliated with the United States Federal Government, so there's obviously a conflict here. Please let me know when this graphic can be removed.

Given that the office of Governor Kaine objects to the image being on Wikipedia for security reasons, I have removed it from the article to show good faith until the copyright status can be definitely determined on Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images.

--Ryan Delaney talk 21:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Last name

I didn't know his last name was spelled with a "K". Should Tim Caine and/or Tim Cain redirect or (sorry for the made-up verb) disambiguate to the Tim Kaine page? 192.85.50.2 (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I've redirected Tim Caine to this article. Thanks for the suggestion. --Ryan Delaney talk 04:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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