Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)

No Black Fire?

Amateratsu doesn't deserve to be listed under Itachi? I mean, it is the second and last jutsu that comes equipped with his Mangekyou... T3H_CH0Z3N_0N3 (talk) 06:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

yeah its only the strongest nijutsu--The Last Uchiha 07:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Lets wait to next chapter for a better description of amaterasu.Tintor2 (talk) 09:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Its not the last ability alotted by the mangekyou sharingan. It appears that there is one more ability called susanoo. The only thing is that it is not activated from the eyes but rather from the users nose. It still seems as though it is only possible to use with the ms. Also from the origins of the word it is clear that this ability has something to do with storms or tempest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.22.77 (talk) 07:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I sure want your time machine >_> we have always known that the MS had at least 3 different moves --The Last Uchiha 11:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is Pain's JP seiyu?

I mean, Dave Wittenburg is listed for just one English episode, so why isn't the Japanese VA there? 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It because the japanese anime hasn't released the voice actor name and simply anonymous right now24.17.233.242 (talk) 00:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he hasn't been credited in any of the episodes he's appeared in. Same for Hidan and Kakuzu when they got speaking roles. The Splendiferous Gegiford (talk) 04:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Pein, not Pain

It bothers me that Pein is called and listed as Pain. Just because it sounds like pain doesn't mean it is. His name should be changed to correct this mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyanRendan (talk • contribs) 04:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Please read the archives, and possibly read something about Japanese culture and language - its completely, totally obvious that the intended translation is "Pain".Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Direct literal translations are not always the best thing to do. RyanRendan:RyanRendan (talk) 00:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't there a lengthy discussion called "Pain, not Pein" a while ago?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thus the archive suggestion by Kryten. Should be in the most recent one. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

If there was I didn't see it.RyanRendan (talk) 00:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Then trust me or look yourself, its there. Its done. As of now, until proven otherwise, Pein's name is Pain here.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Here. Don't be lazy next time. JuJube (talk) 01:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I see I'm just bringing back old things now. I'm sorry.... but still E! -end RyanRendan (talk) 01:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC) Pein is the real body. The Pains are the Rikudou bodies!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Battoubro (talk • contribs) 21:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC) [

== if you go to saiyan island then it will tell you that his name can either be spelled pein or pain.

] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 (talk) 06:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ref: ch 392 - Tobi or Uchiha madara

On Ch 392's Title page, it put him down as Uchiha Madara instead of Tobi. Should we do the same, too?George Leung (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Considering it is his real identity, I would agree with that...(hopefully this means the Obito=Tobi people will bug us less, too...)—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 06:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say it's about time to stop trying to act like their different people. Kishimoto directly said this time that they are the same person. There's no more if or buts. 66.229.89.202 (talk) 07:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I say we should change tobi to Uchiha Madara as it has been directly stated it is his real identity--The Last Uchiha 09:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Tobi is Madara's alias so the name is still relevant. Uchiha Madara with Tobi in brackets should suffice. Wikiuser6 (talk) 10:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

and now the cover of Naruto 392 just confirmed it even more--The Last Uchiha 22:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Small point but if we do use that name it should be listed a Madara Uchiha since it was established long ago that the names from this series should be lited it western order (given name then family name). --76.71.209.177 (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I know, but i use Uchiha Madara. but if we changed tobi it would be Madara Uchiha--The Last Uchiha 08:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Itachi seperate?

Itachi's dead now, so what does it even matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.112.148 (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Right i think this is very nessisary to seperate Itachi. He has been in Shippuden and the naruto manga load's recently and has been the subject of very important plot's. Before Orochimaru was the main Antagonist but now it's pretty much Itachi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.2 (talk) 22:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there enough reliable third-party sources to justify a split, though? It doesn't matter how important a character is to the plot. If there are no reliable third-party sources that will allow the character to pass the notability guideline, then it shouldn't be split off. --Farix (Talk) 22:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

There isn't enough. No conception information and reception is practically nonexistent. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 22:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well if you take a look at www.leafninja.com you will find out alot about Itachi. And i mean alot. And if you mean reception on the character you can find it at the official naruto site [I Think that's the one though it could be the different one] I Think Itachi deserve's to have his own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.240.49 (talk) 12:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Where?[1] all the information is plot overview. About reception we need more than merchandising, we need critics of the character, pay a look at Sasuke Uchiha, Sakura Haruno and Kakashi Hatake that are GA now.--Tintor2 (Talk) 12:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

leafninja is not a reliable source and the official Naruto website is not a third-party source. So you strike out at both ends. A fiction character does not deserve their own article until the notability of the character can be demonstrated through reliable third-party sources. --Farix (Talk) 12:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

If Itachi gets killed soon then he is just a plot device. In the event he's not it is likley that he will become a main and noteable character. Even if we just use the manga itself it is still better than nothing... But I feel this will not matter because it is likely he will die soon. (un-named) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.84.102.76 (talk) 04:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

What does that have to do with him passing WP:N or WP:FICT? --Farix (Talk) 10:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm just saying that if he dies soon that their is no way he will pass the FICT (he would just be a plot device). And I think that there is a good chance that he will die soon (90%+). But there is a good chance if he does not die soon he will become a very important character. If that is the case we should have an article on him just, even if he does not on secondary sources, to make the wikipedia Naruto series consistent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.84.102.76 (talk) 17:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

That does not matter, what a character needs to get its own article is out-of-universe information; no importance in the plot. Even this minor character from the simpson has its own article for having out-of-universe info and its a FA-class.--Tintor2 (Talk) 12:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I agree that Itachi becoming an important character in the Narutoverse would not give him an article under wikipedia's noteablity gudieline. But I would like for him to have an article anyway so the wikipedia's naruto series is logically consistent and not a bunch of random articles. But as I said before this will likley not matter due the fact that there is a good chance he will die soon. If you want to see a wikipedia anime series with too many artices check out Bleach. (edit: it is very likley Itachi will meet the noteablity gudeline soon if he becomes a major character -- so it won't matter the other way to. At least someone will make a figure of him or something silly like that.)

Zetsu

In addition to the fact that Zetsu's black and half sides appear to differ in certain opinions, recent chapters works as evidence that they differ in knowledge, too, with the black side often filling in with information for the white side... Just something I thought should be noticed. 81.224.28.233 (talk) 15:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

yes, i agree with you... the black side seems to have a knowledge regarding things that others don't normally know... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.146.147 (talk) 01:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Orochimaru Article

Some white snakes escaped from Orochimaru's body when Itachi sealed him, so he may still be able to come back through them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.112.148 (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Since Orochimaru was able to come back to life through Sasuke, then it's evident that he could do the same through Kabuto. Even though Itachi summon (a skeletor version of Gigantor) than that should really have it's own article. -PeanutButterMonger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.158.78 (talk) 18:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

If I read what you wrote right, the it should come to your attention that Orochimaru already has an article. Lastbetrayal (talk) 00:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Uh... could you right that a little more clearly? Anyhow, Orochimaru's soul resided in Sasuke. Kabuto got a little bit of his corpse. I doubt that Orochimaru will completely resurrect himself from that. Kabuto may be destroyed, or he may not, but whatever is created from this will probably only be a shadow of Orochimaru's power, though maybe with some trace memories left over, if he absorbed any gray matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.140.194 (talk) 13:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Susanoo

There is a statue of Susanoo outside konha temple in manga 314. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.88.22 (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Explanation of Teams?

Can we try to point out how each partner keeps the other well balanced like Itachi being calm and collected while Kisami is insane, Fire, Water, Etc.--76.199.5.82 (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Unless this was stated in the manga itself or was mentioned by a reliable third party source it would violtaed WP:OR and can't be included. --76.71.209.154 (talk) 22:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Madara on Manga Character Section

In the Character section of Volume 41, Tobi is again there with the rest of the cast. However, unlike volume 40, which reffered him as Tobi, he is instead called Madara. Since he's called Madara in the character section of the manga, do you guys think we should refer Tobi as Madara on his section now? Or should we wait a bit longer? 66.220.242.162 (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC) fantasyleader

the editing on this article is stubborn and stunted as usual. no wonder akatsuki_(naruto) will never reach ga class again. reversion trigger-happiness destroys articles a lot. AnimeNikkaJamal (talk) 04:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Making completely pointless posts isn't much better.
I think I've already commented on this issue, since it's been raised before.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Tobi named Uchiha Madara in the character section isn't considered proof? Someone kindly posted the page and it seems pretty conclusive to me.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4316/madaramh7.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiuser6 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Itachi's Death

For right now, I think the part about Itachi having died should be removed. He collapsed and certainly looks close to death, but until it's absolutely confirmed, it's just speculation. 24.131.8.253 (talk) 13:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Itachi is dead as of chapter 393. Wiki360 (talk) 07:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Please update the Akatsuki article since Uchiha Itachi deceased in chapter 393 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-393/page001.html).

I still cannot understand why Itachi lost to his younger and definitely still weaker brother ... Kishi starts pissing me off. Tommyss (talk) 10:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It was never explicitly said that Itachi is dead. He simply collapsed. Until we get a more definitive confirmation, I say we just add a mention about him collapsing before he could take the eyes.60.52.123.220 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Itachi isnt dead, he just past out--The Last Uchiha 10:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Usually when you fall on the ground after being unable to grab something and start bleeding from every orifice on your face, you're done. Except for Bleach. Nobody dies in Bleach. 76.7.238.234 (talk) 18:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Most characters in Bleach are already dead. Dying twice is probably difficult. Just ask Son Goku! ~SnapperTo 18:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

As often as people on Wikipedia argue about speculation, I'd think this wouldn't be any different. Until the next chapter rolls around and Sasuke/Zetsu/God himself confirms that Itachi is done for, he should remain in the active roster. 24.131.8.253 (talk) 21:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't call Sasuke "definitely weaker" than Itachi. Sasuke is still standing. Itachi is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.140.194 (talk) 13:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

It was never explicitly said that Itachi is dead. He simply collapsed. Until we get a more definitive confirmation, I say we just add a mention about him collapsing before he could take the eyes.60.52.123.220 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC) I AGREE WITH THIS 100 % —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.56.108 (talk) 21:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. If Itachi was dead, they probably would have said so. Jazz Band Member (talk) 11:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Just to point it out, but if you read the little words that look narrator-ish on the page where Itachi collapses, the words being used strongly suggest Itachi is dead. This doesn't count as absolute proof, though. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 17:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The recent chapter pretty clearly says Itachi is dead...recent spoiler pics of 394 confirm it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.213.237 (talk) 12:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

in the version that I read it just said that he was paralyzed and spoilers don't count they can be misleading so it shouldn't be said he is dead--71.218.196.182 (talk) 02:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The chapter is now out...Zetsu says Itachi is dead, and we're shown his corpse very clearly...lying there, not breathing, moving, and the eyes are even open. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.35.92 (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok so Itachi is dead just like I said he was last week Wiki360 (talk) 03:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Although I think it too soon to list him as such, it seems it’s been decided to list Itachi as dead. In that case, shouldn’t there be a (Deceased) description next to his age in the article?--Halls452 (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Although I disagree with Itachi being dead (how can you tell if a picture of a character is breathing or not?) his page needs to be cleaned up. His age for Part II was deleted when deceased was put in. Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims. 24.184.73.244 (talk) 02:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I demand immediate cleanup.

On the Itachi section there's OR I'd like to point out, namely: His final and strongest (whether Susanoo's power exceeds the other ones' is debatable.) ability, Susanoo (須佐能乎, Susanoo?), acquired only after mastering Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, (pure speculation) creates a massive ethereal warrior that will fight on Itachi's behalf, and otherwise shields him from all attacks. Each ability is progressively more taxing for Itachi to use, such that after performing Susanoo he starts coughing up blood. (we do not know yet if that was because of Susanoo, or previously inflicted damage. Although I'm leaning towards the Susanoo-is-guilty explanation, I'd rather be safe and exclude possibly true information, than sorry and include straight-out incorrect one.)

Another thing worth pointing out is the fact that we currently have no information about Pain actually being the same person as Nagato. The fact that they have similar doctrines and philosophies does stand true, but it was also pointed out, even by Jiraiya himself, that none of the bodies is Nagato's. If erasing the information about Nagato being Pain is out of the question then it should at lest be mentioned that Nagato's real body has yet to make an appearance.

I'd also like to point out the fact that the first part of Tobi's section, the one dealing with his and Deidara's relationship, is written in presens instead of imperfect, this should be changed.

I suppose that's all I can come up with for the time being. Since I'm not the type to edit wiki-articles, I'll leave that up to you guys. Bye! 217.208.26.188 (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• "after mastering Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu" - I don't remember which translation I read that in, so I removed it.
• "His final and strongest" - I believe Zetsu says it's his strongest on a few occasions.
• "after performing Susanoo he starts coughing up blood" - Zetsu suggests this, and we've no reason to doubt him.
• "Pain = Nagato" - The article doesn't say they're the same person; though both are listed under the same heading, the only connection made between the two is that they both have the Rinnegan.
• "Imperfect tense" - Fiction is always written in present tense. Deidara being dead doesn't change the rules. ~SnapperTo 17:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Zetsu never states that Susasnoo is the strongest technique, but he does state that the Totsuka no tsurugi combined with the Yata no kagami renders Itachi invincible. Basically, you say poe-tay-toe, I say po-tah-toe... I'm not quite sure, but the newest chapter seems to suggest otherwise (it shows a flashback image of when Itachi got hit with the fuuma blade, suggesting that it may have something to do with that), however until a translated version is released I'll keep my answer on speculative hold... The first possessor of the Rinnegan that Jiraiya met was Nagato (長門, Nagato?), who, like Yahiko and Konan, was left orphaned by one of Amegakure's many wars. Once meeting the three, Jiraiya looked after them and taught them basic jutsu before leaving to continue his exploration of the world. Sometime after this, Nagato began to believe that his childhood sufferings had enlightened him, and started to view himself as a god destined to teach the world the meaninglessness of fighting. If this part doesn't imply/suggest/state that Pein = Nagato, then hardly nothing ever will. 217.208.24.163 (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Everything in your quote is true of Nagato. The following line, "It is unknown what happened after this, but the Pain entity soon appeared in Amegakure" should make clear the ambiguity of whether or not they are the same character. I was very careful to avoid saying Nagato = Pain when writing that section, but perhaps you can think of a better way to organize it? Entirely removing Nagato from the section would be the obvious solution, but it's simpler for the time being to keep them together. Thoughts? ~SnapperTo 03:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That is true... Do you think we could reach some kind of compromiss then? This part: Sometime after this, Nagato began to believe that his childhood sufferings had enlightened him, and started to view himself as a god destined to teach the world the meaninglessness of fighting. IS after all speculative in nature. If Nagato and Pein are one and the same it's obviously true, but if they're NOT it's actually speculation and OR... So, at the very best, do you think we could, if not remove that part on grounds of being speculative, at least change it to leave it a little more ambigious? 81.228.148.26 (talk) 10:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Since it is at the very least true of Pain, I moved it to the Pain portion of the paragraph. Is that better? ~SnapperTo 18:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Umm, what part did you move, I honestly can't see the change? (Did someone change it back?) 81.228.148.26 (talk) 19:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, wait! I see it now! Sorry... Yes, I'm completely content. Thanks, Snapper2. ^^ 81.228.148.26 (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Another Member

I don't remember what chapter it was, i think the one with itachi fighting Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, and Chiyo. but when Deidara and Sasori bring Garra's body to the hidout, when everyone is getting ready, it shows a member with spiky hair that goes back. it wasn't Kisame because he didn't have a sword. and it wasn't the leader. and in a picture of Akatsuki, there is a person standing by Pain who has spiky hair. i just think it should be added. for all we know, that was Madara helping to seal Shukaku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

That could have been Kakuzu before his design was finalized, or maybe it was Kisame but he didn't have his sword on his back. I'm almost certain it wasn't a yet unrevealed member, seeing as how that was nearly 100 chapters ago and no further mention of this mystery Akatsuki has been made. 24.131.8.253 (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

itachi dead

shouldn't itachi be put on the former members list now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.216.112.137 (talk) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Since we do not know whether or not he's really dead, or if Sasuke will spare him at the last second and go for the true instigator of the clan's death, Madara, we cannot say that. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and should not be treated as such. Sasuke9031 (talk) 23:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Until the real chapter that shows his death (not a spoiler) comes out can we call him dead --Rofur (talk) 02:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't assume he died, that is speculating. Wait until the chapter comes out. σмgнgσмg^(talk) 10:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I read the untranslated version of the chapter on saiyanisland; looks like he really is dead. If so, then there isn't any harm in waiting only another day for translated chapters to come out. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Itachi is a former member. If I remember correctly, you guys put deidara on the former members list right when chapter 363 came out, which was mostly less than 1 chapter after he blew himself up. In addition, deidara actually blew himself up before, and no one brough that up to protest against his death. What's special about Itachi? TobiSamoht (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it had more to do with the circumstances of Deidra's death that Itachi being special. A person has a much better chance of surviving if the collapsed from battle than if they exploded. In short Deidra's death was much less questioanable. --76.69.168.148 (talk) 03:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Amaterasu Detail

As of now the statement about Amaterasu says that the fire burns until the recipient is turned to ash. While this is true the technique is still under Itachi's control and he can indeed stop the flames from spreading at his will as seen in Manga Chapter 390 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-390/page006.html). I just wanted to discuss the change before putting it in or having someone else put it in (either way). Narchy (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

How does that indicate he can stop the flames? The body still appears to be burning, hence the smoke emanating from it. ~SnapperTo 18:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The flames stop progressing throughout the body on Page 6, and Zetsu also mentions that Itachi willingly stopped the technique to get at Sasuke's eyes. The following page, 7 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-390/page007.html), shows the body still lying on the ground and the head is visibly intact and void of flames, once again pointing to Itachi's ability to willingly halt the technique. Narchy (talk) 04:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

yes it is even said that he stopped it--The Last Uchiha 08:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

My mistake; I didn't bother reading the text. Still, it's not necessary to point out the exception to everything, as the flame's ever-burning capacity is what's important. You can add it if you really want to. ~SnapperTo 18:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

i know, but i was just pointing it out n_n --The Last Uchiha 01:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ninja Ranks

I was thinking, are there any proofs that the title "S-rank" can be applied to any "far from the average" shinobi's? I guess that all through out the series, the only ninja's shown and that were classified as S-rank, D-rank or whatever were all criminals? is this right? or is it just me? then can Jiraiya and Tsunade be ranked as S-class if this is the case? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.77.55 (talk) 00:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Jiraiya and Tsunade are not criminals, so they are not ranked as S-Rank--The Last Uchiha 04:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

look. just because the pervy sage and tsunade left the village without the hokages permission does not mean that they are s-rank criminals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 (talk) 06:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

394 - Itachi's Condition

Well, chapter 394 has been released and, according to Zetsu, Itachi is not dead, though he doesn't go into further detail about how much longer he has, or if he's even in critical condition. So for now, Itachi should stay in the active roster. 24.131.8.253 (talk) 16:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

What chapter did you read? One half of Zetsu asks if Itachi isn't dead and the other says he is, followed by a clear view of the corpse. Zetsu is mainly stunned at how bad Itachi's performance was, but that's it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.35.92 (talk) 17:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

But it was never stated officially that he's dead. We're only going on Zetsu's word, and he's not close enough to tell. Jazz Band Member (talk) 12:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

That's ridiculous. We SEE the corpse-not breathing, moving, the eyes and mouth open- and Zetsu says he's dead...Zetsu is a spy who's job it is to make sure of this stuff and he's been observing the fight long enough. When Zetsu says Itachi is dead and we SEE the corpse, that's confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.105 (talk) 17:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

how do you see that hes not breathing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.29.35 (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Because in every other single shot of someone lying on the ground in this manga there are sounds or words to indicate breathing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.105 (talk) 21:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

if you read the story, youd know that seeing a body and someone saying hes dead doesnt make someone dead. Heck, didnt itachi die 2 or 3 times during the battle with sasuke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.165.41 (talk) 22:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, by your logic, sasuke is also dead, since we see him lying right next to itachi, lifeless and not breathing. Zetsu says itachi passed out and then says "you don't think itachis dead" which is a question, not a conformation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.165.41 (talk) 22:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

How does one pass out with their eyes open? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red13utterfly (talk • contribs) 12:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

i dont know how you can die with your eyes open but heck, if haku can die with his eyes open then i guess itachi can also! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 (talk) 06:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

With all evidence we have right now, it can be concluded Itachi is, in fact, dead. If he turns out to still be alive, like Deidara in the Rescue Gaara arc, then it will be confirmed LATER, which counts under crystal ball. Until it can be 100% confirmed Itachi is alive, then he counts as a dead person. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

lol. Thats using the whole "guilty until proven innocent" logic. He never should have been put under dead until it can be 100% confirmed that he's dead. since we put him there without confirmation, that's crystal ball. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.165.41 (talk) 16:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

It's logic. By the way, the translation is 'Itachi's dead?!' and then shows Itachi's a corpse. Got it? Not moving or breathing. Zetsu says Sasuke is passed out, 'Sasuke won' and cries out that Itachi is dead. Deal with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.46 (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Personally, i dislike itachi, it's not about me dealing with it. Zetsu says "you don't think(page change) Itachi's Dead?!" That certainly isnt a confirmation. Yes, we see him laying there, however zetsu says he passed out. We also see sasuke laying there next to him, with no indication that he's breathing. All im saying is that to say that he's dead is using a crystal ball, it has not been confirmed even remotely.72.78.253.225 (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Again, absurd. Zetsu doesn't say he passed out, he says he collapsed and then says "Itachi's Dead...." And we SEE THE BODY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.46 (talk) 23:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The page right before "itachis dead" starts off with zetsu saying "itachi passed out", and when he says "itachi's dead" it is most likely in the form of a question since it's preceeded with "you don't think". You, sir, are an idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.155.80 (talk) 19:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

First Zetsu's one half says 'Itachi passed out...?' He takes a closer look: half 1: N-no way.. Half 2: You...don't think... Half 1: Itachi's dead?! Followed by a view of the corpse. Thank you, go away now.

Itachi is 100% percent dead. It has just been revealed by a confirmed and translated spoiler script for chapter 395.

跳びの横にゼツが出てくる！ Zetsu appears right beside Tobi.

跳び［どうだった？] Tobi: Well?

ゼツ［終わったよ。] Zetsu: It's over.

佐倉［何あれ？] Sakura: Who's that?

ゼツ［刺すけの勝ち！ｲﾀﾁｪは死亡。] Zetsu:Sasuke won. Itachi died.

Kishi sucks.--Tommyss (talk) 08:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Please reread that chapter because no where does Zetsu say Itachi passed out. He said "that...Itachi isn't dead. Chapter 394 page 3 and 4. Now I can't say Itachi is dead or if it was the real Itachi as Zetsu stated that "that" Itachi implying that it may not be the real guy. Also Itachi never said Sasuke passed out. Sasuke just fell. But by the way he lays there he seems dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.159.245.20 (talk) 12:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

You're wrong, sorry. He yells 'Itachi's dead?!" and that's it. Want the picture of it or will you be quiet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.46.122 (talk) 15:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Kisame's partner

Will Kisame get a partner in the net chapter, or should that partnership info be changed to None, formerly Itachi Uchiha? Sasuke9031 (talk) 00:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

They didn't specify Itachi's death as of Ch. 394 (Sasuke's Victory) so it goes to say that he should remain an active member of Akatsuki until it is said "Itachi is dead" or something along those lines. Narchy (talk) 02:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Zetsu's cries out in shock "Itachi's dead?!" And we cut to an image of Itachi's lifeless body...he's not moving, not breathing, his mouth and eyes are open, and to top it off, it starts pouring rain-if he ain't dead yet, he's drowning alright. Zetsu outright confirms it, though...and given that we see Itachi's unmoving, non breathing corpse...it's confirmed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.35.92 (talk) 02:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

yes itachi is dead--The Last Uchiha 02:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

He's dead, fanboys, deal with it. JuJube (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

and if it turns out he isnt we can just change it anyway--The Last Uchiha 13:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

itach is dead ppl. i know its hard for his fangirls but hey, dont complain to me. try telling mashi kishimoto that after he already published it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 (talk) 06:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Oruchimaru former member

(3-23-08) I think that there should be a change because Oruchimaru is actualy a former Akatsuki member. Remember that the Akatsuki are after him and that Oruchimaru wants Naruto and his friends to kill as many members as they can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studmuffin60 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

An agent works for the Akatsuki, while a member is in the Akatsuki. Jazz Band Member (talk) 15:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

tobi's "myterious" powers

it said that tobi is able to avoid fatal attacks when i looked up him and last time i checked there wasnt one episode in the naruto shippuuden (or manga for that matter if im not mistaken) that showed tobi being able toavoid attacks like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 (talk) 08:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

....um....how far are you in the manga?--The Last Uchiha 08:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

When Sasuke was fightting Deidara, he tried slashing tobi in half and although it did hit,he kinda just stud there unharmed, and recently when fighting the konoha ninjas, naruto hit him in the chest with Rasengan and it just went though himAllen Walker 09:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC) [[[Image:http://www.example.com link title]][[Media:Example.ogg

oh,ok! that so much for informing me about that! sorry i was such a bother! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)