Talk:Labor Day

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There's probably a better way to phrase this, but I fixed the statement that claimed white clothes are worse protection in the winter. Black absorbs more heat, but also radiates more heat. Black absorbs more heat in the summer, and indeed, white clothing provides better protection against the heat. But black also radiates more heat in the winter, and so white provides better protection against the cold (although grey is the best year-round for protection against mud and dirt ;) ). If you look at photos of clothing for extreme cold climates (think scientists in Antarctica), they will almost always be white for this reason. -Anonymous, October 2005

There is evidence that the US roots for this holiday started in Canada

That's weird, because this is a made-up holiday created by the federal government to deflect attention from May 1 in the United States. Of course, since the independence movement in the British colonies stemmed from the French and Indian War, it is true that the roots for his holiday started in Canada. -Acjelen 15:28, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

"A made-up holiday"... what, as opposed to naturally occurring holidays?

Yes. Obviously all holidays are "made up" and so don't have "roots". -Acjelen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) 11:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Labor Day (United States) → Labor Day … Rationale: "Labor Day" is a spelling exclusive to the United States, and the current name may be to avoid confusion with "Labour Day", but a dab on each page should be adequate. The requested name currently redirects to the actual name. … Please share your opinion at Talk:Labor Day (United States). Moulder 03:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Support

1. Moulder 03:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
2. Jibbajabba 22:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Acjelen 03:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
2. Will&nbsp
3. Reasonsjester 14:14, 21 July, 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

I would rather see the current set of article titles and redirects remain, mostly to keep the subject of this article explicit. This will protect against both well-meaning attempts at spelling correction and general polemicals. -Acjelen 03:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Though I know all too well what you're referring to, having it at Labor Day (as opposed to a disambig of some sort for that and Labour Day) with a note at the top and in the definition itself, both indicating it's about the USA, should be explicit enough. Having it in the article title as a redirect from Labor Day is just hitting people over the head I think. Moulder 10:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

A goal of the Wikipedia project is to be globally relevant and to avoid local biases. Labo(u)r Days are celebrated in many nations (including mine, Australia) and to distinguish between a US and a UK spelling ignores the other nations with such holidays. Here both spellings are in common use and are generally interchangeable. I vote for no change. Will TALK 02:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I always thought the labor spelling was a case of the US being the odd man out (Canada says labour), so I stand corrected. Still seems like overkill, although the redirect doesn't hurt anything I suppose. Perhaps we should have a disambig page - but then the natural question is, which spelling will that page use? ;) Moulder 03:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Um. I think this is one of those problems with an international encyclopedia. Many people in the United States are unfamiliar with May Day labor observances. At the same time, I can only assume people outside of the U.S. are also ignorant of the unique American holiday. While education is obviously one purpose of a project such as this, I don't think it should be jarring. Perhaps see references at the top of all concerned articles would be sufficient. -Acjelen 04:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC) At least we're not trying to split the article Biscuit. -Acjelen 04:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Oppose because 1). the Labour/Labour distinction is a spelling rather than semantic difference (e.g., the Labour Party (UK) is called Labor Party (UK) in the USA) and 2). the spelling "Labor" is used in many areas outside the USA that learn American English including much of East Asia and Latin America where web access in English is significant (e.g., Philippines). AjaxSmack 07:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

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Knights of Labor and KKK connection deleted

Citing someone and his book, with "in his research," instead of specific page and quote, is not adequate sourcing. Plus, "the main reason...more progressive supporters...preferred" are POV and require citations. Also, the edit was poorly written (ambiguous). The parade or the Knights of Labor had a loose connection with KKK? — J M Rice 17:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

-- The Knights of Labor was one of the most inclusive organizations at that time and allowed both Blacks and Women as members. I would be surprised if the Knights of Labor had anything to do with the KKK.

Look at Wikipedia's own article about the Knights of Labor.

Zinn is hardly a random "someone." The "main reason..." presumably derives from the same source. Otherwise, all of the above is true and valid, but note what is said "The original parade ... had a loose affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan" not "The ... Knights of Labor had a loose affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan." Though it's true the Knights of Labor had black and female members, connections among the chapters were as loose as the organization itself. Another example, the fact there are black and female Baptists doesn't prevent racist Baptist churches arising. --74.227.121.198 14:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

why no white clothes after labor day?

Can someone tell me why some people say " you dont wear white after labor day" i have so far had some really silly answers with people being daft and all i want is a sensible answer.

Regards Louise.

I was surprised nothing was mentioned about this, I'm going to add it. Joshua4 03:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It has to do with snow being white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.8.142 (talk) 15:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

"..'dare' to wear white after Labor Day innovative, creative, and bold" What is that? Like 20 years ago maybe, that quote sounds like my grandma said it.

I believe this has to do with the fashion trends as influenced by the navy. Various navies wear white uniforms during the summer and black uniforms during the winter. Labor Day is an easy mark for the end of summer. It has to do with white shoes, pants, and jackets. It is appropriate to wear white shirts after labor day. The time from Memorial day until Labor day is generally, in America, seen as the summertime (despite summer technically being from the Solstice until the Equinox). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjn195 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge

Labor Day is a U.S. federal holiday that is not celebrated elsewhere in the world. While other countries have days to honor workers and call them "Labour Day", they are unrelated to the American holiday, with the exception of Canada (as the Labour Day there has the same time of year and shares some history with the American holiday). -Acjelen 12:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

While I agree with your comment I then consider that articles should not be merged. Seperate articles for seperate holidays/events/historical background. Lincher 14:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

cool

this is great it helped me a lot with my hw thanks wikipedia thanks alot!

Controversy

No excuse for deleting much historical information on controversy over the selection of the date. --63.98.135.196 00:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

i would also like to know why that section was deleted. the traditions section as well. it doesn't look like any reasons were given - if no one has any, i'll add them back. --dan (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

SOmeone needs to delete the random homosexual reference

"These events are today commemorated as Labor Day was meant for homosexuals in virtually every country in the world, "

I am not a wikipedian, can someone edit this out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.196.82.100 (talk) 18:25, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

LABOR DAY IS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.IT ALL BEGAN IN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.53.215.227 (talk) 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

template:first Monday in Sept

This was being used in the Current Dates section, and was not working. I looked at the template (which has no documentation) and couldn't figure out how to use it. I replaced the template call with actual dates. I would welcome someone restoring the original (which will allow us not to update this page periodically for new dates) by fixing either the template or its usage. --ubiquity 22:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It was working until User:Thepulse2007 made this edit. I'm going to revert back to the functioning version. Nufy8 23:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Please help - goofed edit

Sorry...I was editing the first section to remove some vandalism and somehow my username replaced the heading and the edit button is gone, so I can't figure out how to fix it. My bad!! Ettalynn 00:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. When you're removing vandalism, the easiest thing to do is usually to revert to the previous version. An easy way to do THAT is simply to go to the history, edit the last version before the vandalism, and save without making changes. WP will warn you that this will wipe out subsequent changes, but in this case that's exactly what you want to do. --ubiquity 00:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

"working woman"

I cut the addition of "working woman" out of the opening sentences. The quote phrase "working man" is from 1882, and although clearly gender biased, I think it is appropriate as a reflection of its time. (Although a section on the history leading to women's due recognition by the holiday would be interesting reading.)--Bookandcoffee 19:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The term "man" in this context is not referring to biological males. The term refers to people. In the English language it is proper grammar to use the masculine for unspecified gender. It is not meaning that women are not included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjn195 (talk • contribs) 16:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"general strike... commemorated around the world"

"In 1886 came the general strike which eventually won the eight-hour workday in the United States. These events are today commemorated as Labor Day in virtually every country in the world, with the notable exceptions being the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand"

Is the 1886 general strike commemorated in virtually every country around the world as labor day? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.46.9.93 (talk) 16:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No - this confused me too at first, but I don't think that's what the writer meant. I think they're referring back to the May timing of the celebrations usually seen elsewhere, but this would benefit from clearer wording. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.203.241 (talk) 12:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text copied from DOL website

Parts of this article seem to come verbatim from a US Department of Labor web page [1]. Does anyone know if federal government web pages are fair game for use like this (similar to photos from federal websites), or is there a plagiarism issue? Inhumandecency (talk) 22:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

incorrect assertion about date of Labor Day

The article currently reads "Labor Day has been celebrated on the first Monday in September in the United States since the 1880s." However, as most people my age (okay, I'm 54) who were paying attention in school know, Labor Day was never on September 1 before, because it was defined as "The Monday after the first Sunday in September". This has changed, fairly recently I think (but I can't find a specific reference); I'm not sure if the change was in connection with a Monday Holiday law, or with the revision of DST rules, but definitely within the past decade, recently enough that it has never affected the date of the holiday before, this has changed. Now, I don't know what the definition was in the 1880s, or in 1894 when apparently the holiday was formalized by Congress, but "Labor Day has been celebrated on the first Monday in September in the United States since the 1880s" is a simple error. See the calendar of the museum at Kent State for an example of a website that apparently preserves the old definition (though one wonders if they are actually observing it that day.) --Haruo (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Citation Addition

I am new to this but, I found a reference to back up the statement needing a citation, "Labor Day has been celebrated on the first Monday in September in the United States since the 1880s". The reference is from the Library of Congress website so, I do not know if it counts. Because the page is semi-protected, I am not allowed to add the citation so I have included it below.

"The First Labor Day". Retrieved 2008-09-08.

Any input on whether or not this is helpful would be appreciated.

Jtclements (talk) 18:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

i'm having a heckuva time navigating this site and can't find tabs to edit this article or open an account. this article on LABOR DAY is extremely incomplete. a fuller story is at : http://www.tomchristopher.com/?op=home/Comic%20History/Labor%20Day%20and%20Labor-Related%20Comics it's referenced