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'''Violette Reine Elizabeth Bushell Szabo''', [[George Cross|GC]] ([[26 June]] [[1921]] &ndash; c. [[5 February]] [[1945]]) was a [[World War II]] Allied secret agent.


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==Early life and marriage==
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Born Violette Bushell in [[Paris, France]] to a [[France|French]] mother and an [[England|English]] taxi-driver father, the family moved to London and she attended school in Brixton until the age of 14. At the start of World War II, she was working in Bon Marché department store on the perfume counter.
Non-notable online game, created by a company whose Wikipedia page has been deleted on grounds of... notability. '''Delete.''' <span style="background:#CC1010;color:#FFA0A0">'''&nbsp;Blanchardb'''&nbsp;</span>-<small><sup><span style="color:#A62428">[[User:Blanchardb|Me]]•[[User Talk:Blanchardb|MyEars]]•[[Special:Contributions/Blanchardb|MyMouth]]</span></sup></small>- timed 22:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


Also nominating
Violette met Etienne Szabo, a French officer of Hungarian descent, at the [[Bastille Day]] parade in London in 1940. They married after a whirlwind 42 day romance. Violette was 19, Etienne was 31. Shortly after the birth of their only child, Tania, Etienne was killed, suffering chest wounds at the [[Second Battle of El Alamein|Battle of El Alamein]] in October 1942. Etienne had never seen his daughter. It was Etienne's death that made Violette, having already joined the [[Auxiliary Territorial Service]] in 1941, decide to offer her services to the [[Special Operations Executive]] (SOE).


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==Allied spy==
===Training and first mission===
After an assessment of her fluency in French and a series of interviews, she was inducted into SOE. She received intensive training in night and daylight navigation, [[escape and evasion]], both Allied and German weapons, [[unarmed combat]], [[demolitions]], [[explosives]], communications and [[cryptography]]. A minor accident during [[parachute]] training delayed her deployment into the field until [[5 April]] [[1944]], when she was parachuted into German-occupied France, near [[Cherbourg-Octeville|Cherbourg]].


*The game is very notable, with many players. There are many servers, and official website, and thousands of players. The authors page shouldn't have been deleted either, because they are also the makers of the games Gunbound, which has an article. This is not a good reason for deletion. I have properly marked the article as a stub, and will have other add to it. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Techdude300|Techdude300]] ([[User talk:Techdude300|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Techdude300|contribs]]) 22:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <small>— [[User:Techdude300|Techdude300]] ([[User talk:Techdude300|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Techdude300|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}</small>
Code-named "Louise", she reorganized a [[French resistance]] network that had been smashed by the Germans. She led the new group in sabotaging road and rail bridges. Her wireless reports to SOE headquarters on the local factories producing war materials for the Germans were extremely important in establishing Allied bombing targets. She returned to England by [[Westland Lysander|Lysander]] on [[30 April]] [[1944]] after an intense but successful first mission.
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Game|list of Game-related deletion discussions]]. </small> <small>-- [[User:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="comic sans ms">Fabrictramp</font>]] | [[User talk:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="Papyrus">talk to me</font>]] 23:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Disambiguations|list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions]]. </small> <small>-- [[User:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="comic sans ms">Fabrictramp</font>]] | [[User talk:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="Papyrus">talk to me</font>]] 23:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Deletion|list of video game related deletions]]. <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 23:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' — per nom. Not another MMORPG trying to assert notability with no sources present with a very strong sense of COI. <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 23:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Note''' — [[WP:CANVASS|Rally cry]] from the WolfTeam forumites to [http://wolfteam.softnyx.net/03_communities/01_freeboard_view.ASPX?SEQ=7214&KEYFIELD=&KEYWORD=&PAGE=1&CONFIGID=5 defend their article]! <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 23:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


*I'm not "trying" to make it "another" game. This is a valid game, with valid players, and if people want to find out more about it, they come to Wikipedia. If Runescape has an article, this should too. It's not how good YOU think the game is. It is a valid game, this is not trash, and Wikipedia could benefit with an article such as this. And no MuZemike, it's not an MMORPG. Read the friggin' article. It's an FPS like Halo you play with others online. Stop your stereotyping and why don't you actually check the game out at the VALID website of the VALID game played by many Valid players. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Techdude300|Techdude300]] ([[User talk:Techdude300|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Techdude300|contribs]]) 23:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
===Second mission===
**MMORPG, MMOFPS, what-MMO-ever! <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 23:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
She was sent back to [[Limoges]] in France on [[7 June]] [[1944]], where she coordinated the local [[Maquis (World War II)|Maquis]], led by [[Jacques Dufour]], in sabotaging German communication lines.


Good You went to the website. You get a cookie!
She was a passenger in a car that raised the suspicions of German troops at an unexpected roadblock. A brief gun battle ensued. Her Maquis minders escaped unscathed in the confusion. Szabo was captured when her ammunition ran out, around mid-day on [[10 June]] [[1944]], near Salon-la-Tour. Her captors were most likely from the 1st Battalion of the Deutschland Regiment. In R.J. Minney's biography, she is described as putting up fierce resistance with her [[Sten]] gun, a close range infantry weapon. German documents of the incident record no injuries or casualties to German soldiers.
If you can pull wikipedia rules out for your own selfish crap, I could easily say that the reason for deletion was pure bias, and that you are in violation of rules. And no, i'm not taking the time anymore to properly clean up my posts with fancy formatting. You can do it if you want uber censorship power, because that is what wikipedia is apparently about. If I was an admin, I could pull this crap on something you worked hard on. But, alas, I'm not an abusive admin. Stop YOUR bias, because if anybody contributes to the page, its because they want to, not because i told them. --[[User:Techdude300|Techdude300]] ([[User talk:Techdude300|talk]]) 00:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


*'''Delete''' lacks the non-trivial coverage in [[WP:RS|reliable]] secondary sources (reviews) needed to demonstrate [[WP:N|notability]], found an interview at [http://news.mmosite.com/content/2007-04-20/20070420011224883,1.shtml MMOsite] but no reviews from reliable sources. [[User:Someone another|Someone]][[User_talk:Someone another|another]] 00:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
===Interrogation, torture and execution===
She was transferred to the custody of the [[Sicherheitsdienst|SD]] in [[Limoges]], where she was interrogated under [[torture]], enduring rape and brutal assaults. She was moved eight times to different locations, including Fresnes prison in Paris, Limoges prison and then in late August 1944, to [[Ravensbrück concentration camp]], where over 92,000 women died. An SOE rescue mission to break her out of the lightly-guarded Limoges prison was planned, but a mere two hours before the attempt, she was moved to Ravensbrück. There, she endured hard labour, malnutrition, and exhaustion. She was also held three months at Königsberg (today [[Kaliningrad]]) on the [[Eastern Front (World War II)|Russian Front]].


Violette Szabo was executed on or about 5 February 1945 and her body disposed of in the [[crematorium]]. She was just 23 years old.


Fine, delete the page, on one condition. YOU make an article, or find somebody who will, that fairly represents the game and uses your "quality" standards. Better get started, because I won't shut up about it until it's done. Good Luck! =)--[[User:Techdude300|Techdude300]] ([[User talk:Techdude300|talk]]) 00:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Three other women members of the [[Special Operations Executive|SOE]] were also executed at Ravensbrück: [[Denise Bloch]], [[Cecily Lefort]], and [[Lilian Rolfe]]. Of the SOE's 55 women agents, 13 were killed in action or died in the camps.
:We can't. That's the point of the notability standard. [[User:Nifboy|Nifboy]] ([[User talk:Nifboy|talk]]) 14:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - There do not appear to be any non-trivial mentions of this game in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to [[WP:V|verify]] its [[WP:N|notability]]. In reference to the comment above: That seems to be impossible without any [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. As such, the page will be deleted. If your condition was possible to meet, the article wouldn't be deleted. [[User:Bart133|Bart133]] <sup>[[User talk:Bart133|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Bart133|c]] [[Special:Emailuser/Bart133|@]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Bart133 3|How's my driving?]]</sup> 00:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': no claims for [[WP:N|notability]]. [[User:Alexius08|Alexius08]] ([[User talk:Alexius08|talk]]) 08:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Alright, I find some better sources and work really hard on this. Thanks for the input (sorry I can't log in and officialy sign this at school) -Techdude300 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.48.138.28|216.48.138.28]] ([[User talk:216.48.138.28|talk]]) 17:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Awards and honours ==
Szabo was the second woman to be awarded the [[George Cross]],<ref>[http://www.gc-database.co.uk/facts.htm George Cross facts]</ref> bestowed posthumously on 17 December 1946. The citation was published in the ''[[London Gazette]]'' and read:<ref>{{LondonGazette|issue=37820|supp=yes|startpage=6127|date=[[13 December]] [[1946]]|accessdate=2008-05-27}}</ref>

{{quote|''St. James's Palace, S.W.1. 17th December, 1946''

[[George VI of the United Kingdom|The KING]] has been graciously pleased to award the GEORGE CROSS to: —

Violette, Madame SZABO (deceased), Women's Transport Service (First Aid Nursing Yeomanry).

Madame Szabo volunteered to undertake a particularly dangerous mission in France. She was parachuted into France in April, 1944, and undertook the task with enthusiasm. In her execution of the delicate researches entailed she showed great presence of mind and astuteness. She was twice arrested by the German security authorities but each time managed to get away. Eventually, however, with other members of her group, she was surrounded by the Gestapo in a house in the south west of France. Resistance appeared hopeless but Madame Szabo, seizing a Sten-gun and as much ammunition as she could carry, barricaded herself in part of the house and, exchanging shot for shot with the enemy, killed or wounded several of them. By constant movement, she avoided being cornered and fought until she dropped exhausted. She was arrested and had to undergo solitary confinement. She was then continuously and atrociously tortured but never by word or deed gave away any of her acquaintances or told the enemy anything of any value. She was ultimately executed. Madame Szabo gave a magnificent example of courage and steadfastness.}}

The [[Croix de Guerre]] was awarded by the French government in 1947 and the [[Médaille de la Résistance]] in 1973. As one of the SOE agents who died for the liberation of France, Sub-Lieutenant Szabo is listed on the "Roll of Honor" on the [[Valençay SOE Memorial]] in the town of [[Valençay]], in the [[Indre]] département.

== Museums and memorials ==
The Violette Szabo GC museum is in a quiet cottage in rural south Herefordshire at "Cartref", Tump Lane, [[Wormelow Tump]], [[Herefordshire]], HR2 8HN, England.<ref>[http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/578871 The Violette Szabo GC Museum]</ref> Tania Szabo attended the museum's opening in 2000, as did Virginia McKenna. Leo Marks, various members of SOE, including some who had been involved in Violette's missions, and many other representatives of special forces units also attended to pay their respects.<ref>[http://www.powell-pressburger.org/Trips/Wormelow/20000624.html Opening of the Violette Szabo museum]</ref> It is here that Violette used to visit her English cousins before the war, enjoying walks in the surrounding hills. She also visited the farm while she was recuperating from her ankle injury and between her two missions to France.

[[Hohlgangsanlage 8|The Jersey War Tunnels]] has a permanent exhibition room dedicated to Violette Szabó.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.jerseywartunnels.com/content/h08/Szabo.aspx |title=Violette Szabó 1921-1944 - a brief history |publisher=jerseywartunnels.com}}</ref>

The [[Royal College of Music]] offers an annual award called Violette Szabo GC Memoriam Prize for pianists who accompany singers. The current holder is James Southall.

== Book ==
Her daughter, Tania Szabo, wrote an exhaustive and careful reconstruction of her two missions in 1944 into the then most dangerous areas in France with flashbacks to her growing up. Author [[Jack Higgins]] wrote the foreword and US-French radio-operator, Jean-Claude Guiet, who had accompanied her on the mission in the [[Limousin (region)|Limousin]], wrote the introduction. On 15 November 2007, at the launch of the book, ''Young Brave and Beautiful'', at [[Hohlgangsanlage 8|The Jersey War Tunnels]], the Lieutenant Governor of Jersey said of her, "She's an inspiration to those young people today doing the same work with the risk of the same dangers". [[Odette Churchill]] GC said, "She was the bravest of us all."

== In popular culture ==
Her wartime activities in German [[Occupied France]] were also dramatised in the film ''[[Carve Her Name with Pride]]'', starring [[Virginia McKenna]] and based on the 1956 book of the same name by [[R.J. Minney]]. During her time as an agent in the SOE, she met [[Leopold Samuel Marks|Leo Marks]], who may have given her what is now thought of as the definitive World War II [[Poem code|code-poem]] ''[[The Life That I Have]]''.

Publisher Gamecock Media and developer Replay Studios announced that their upcoming videogame ''[[Velvet Assassin]]'' is inspired by the exploits of Szabo.<ref>[http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/855/855872p1.html Velvet Assassin]</ref> Tania Szabo has not been given a copy of the game for review. It has been reported to her that the game is not representative of her mother nor her activities in occupied France.

==References==
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===Bibliography===
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* Szabó, Tania: ''Young Brave and Beautiful - The missions of Special Operations Executive Agent, Lieutenant Violette Szabó, George Cross, Croix de Guerre avec Etoile de bronze'', CIP, 2007. ISBN 1-905095-20-1. 496pp, Index, Bibliography plus 30 pages of illustrations.
* Minney, RJ. ''Carve her Name with Pride: The Story of Violette Szabo''. Newnes, 1956.
* Ottaway, Susan. ''Violette Szabo: The Life That I Have''. Pen & Sword Books Ltd., 2003. ISBN 0-85052-976-X
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==External links==
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*[http://www.violetteszabo.org Violette Szabó GC site] built by Tania Szabo, the daughter of Violette. The site will continue to evolve over the coming months of 2008.
*[http://www.jerseywartunnels.com/content/h08/Szabo.aspx The Jersey War Tunnels Violette Szabo page]
*[http://www.violette-szabo-museum.co.uk Violette Szabo Museum]
*[http://www.alliedspecialforces.org/violetteszabogcmuseum.htm Violette Szabo GC Museum]
*[http://www.64-baker-street.org/agents/agent_fany_violette_szabo.html Baker Street page about Violette]
*[http://www.gc-database.co.uk/recipients/SzaboVRE.htm George Cross database page about Violette Szabo GC]
* {{imdb title|id=0051454|title=Carve Her Name with Pride}}
* Articles on ''Young Brave and Beautiful'' by Tania Szabó: [http://www.jerseywartunnels.com/content/pressreleases/PressContent.aspx?ItemID=42] [http://www.jerseywartunnels.com/content/pressreleases/PressContent.aspx?ItemID=43] [http://www.jerseywartunnels.com/content/pressreleases/PressContent.aspx?ItemID=44].

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Non-notable online game, created by a company whose Wikipedia page has been deleted on grounds of... notability. Delete.  Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 22:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Also nominating

  • I'm not "trying" to make it "another" game. This is a valid game, with valid players, and if people want to find out more about it, they come to Wikipedia. If Runescape has an article, this should too. It's not how good YOU think the game is. It is a valid game, this is not trash, and Wikipedia could benefit with an article such as this. And no MuZemike, it's not an MMORPG. Read the friggin' article. It's an FPS like Halo you play with others online. Stop your stereotyping and why don't you actually check the game out at the VALID website of the VALID game played by many Valid players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techdude300 (talkcontribs) 23:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    • MMORPG, MMOFPS, what-MMO-ever! MuZemike (talk) 23:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Good You went to the website. You get a cookie! If you can pull wikipedia rules out for your own selfish crap, I could easily say that the reason for deletion was pure bias, and that you are in violation of rules. And no, i'm not taking the time anymore to properly clean up my posts with fancy formatting. You can do it if you want uber censorship power, because that is what wikipedia is apparently about. If I was an admin, I could pull this crap on something you worked hard on. But, alas, I'm not an abusive admin. Stop YOUR bias, because if anybody contributes to the page, its because they want to, not because i told them. --Techdude300 (talk) 00:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete lacks the non-trivial coverage in reliable secondary sources (reviews) needed to demonstrate notability, found an interview at MMOsite but no reviews from reliable sources. Someoneanother 00:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Fine, delete the page, on one condition. YOU make an article, or find somebody who will, that fairly represents the game and uses your "quality" standards. Better get started, because I won't shut up about it until it's done. Good Luck! =)--Techdude300 (talk) 00:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

We can't. That's the point of the notability standard. Nifboy (talk) 14:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I find some better sources and work really hard on this. Thanks for the input (sorry I can't log in and officialy sign this at school) -Techdude300 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.48.138.28 (talk) 17:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)