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Notable?

The list of "Notable Series" seems to have turned into a nearly complete list. Can someone tell me why Tomahawk, Nevada, Congo Bill and Thessaly: Witch For Hire are notable on the level of, say, Sandman or Preacher or Hellblazer?

Since Wikipedia already has an article for a list of all Vertigo titles, I suggest that this section be removed or pared down to a handful of the most prominent titles.

Done. HalJor 20:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey folks, I'm currently working on the flinch comics article, lil help with images please, I'm still kinda a greenhorn, if somebody would go get the covers off mile high or something like that and add them, I'd be greatful.

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Hi, and may I compliment you on your diligent editing for WikiProject Comics. I need to ask you to hold off for a moment on changing "Vertigo" to "Vertigo Comics". The name of the imprint is simply "Vertigo", as noted at the DC Comics' official "About" page, and in such disparate sources as the trade paperback The Invisibles: Blood Hell in America and Hellblazer #130, to pick a random Vertigo comic and book.

What happened, apparently, is that someone created the Vertigo article in 2002 with the misnomer "Vertigo Comics". Editors have used Vertigo (comics) as the link, but no one bothered to change the misnamed article. I never would have noticed were it not for your diligent attempts to make the links match the name of the article.

I'll hold off on renaming the original article for a couple of days in case, just to be very conservative and on the safe side, there's evidence otherwise about the Vertigo imprint's trademark as registered with the U.S Patent and Trademark Office. Unless it's registered there as Vertigo Comics, the imprint really is just named Vertigo, just as Simon & Schuster isn't "Simon & Schuster Publishing" or "Simon & Schuster Books". Thanks. -- Tenebrae 16:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the solution is to move this to "Vertigo (imprint)" or "Vertigo (DC Comics)" - I prefer the first one. (Emperor 16:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Move

The imprint's name is just "Vertigo" so, after some discussion, it is suggested we move this to "Vertigo (imprint)".

Reasoning is based on the vast number of incoming links and trying to avoid any future moves/naming clashes:

We could move it back to "Vertigo (comics)" and hatnote Vertigo (Marvel Comics), but if any other turned up we'd have to move it and we'd be right back here again. So are future proofing things on this front.
We could move it to "Vertigo (DC Comics)" but imprints have moved in the past (OK it is unlikely to happen here but sales haven't been stratospheric recently so who knows... you couldn't rule out it being cut free in the future) and it also leaves the door open for some DC character called Vertigo if one were to ever appear (it is surprising there isn't one). So basically we have both angles future proofed here.

So "Vertigo (imprint)" seems the best idea. Not that controversial but I'll leave it open for a few days and solicit further input just to make sure we have everything covered. (Emperor 18:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Agree. --Tenebrae 19:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense, I would also do the same for Icon Comics, MAX (comics), and Tsunami (Marvel Comics) to establish a naming convention -- 69.182.73.240 05:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking at "imprint", and I don't think that this is a good idea. (Though I'm open to discussion about it, obviously.)

HarperCollins and it's "imprints" come to mind. Following that example, isn't DC Comics an "imprint" of Warner Bros., or for that matter of Time Warner?

As big fish eat other fish, this will become more and more confusing, I think.

See also: DC Comics#Imprints. - jc37 18:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, an even better example is Random House. - jc37 18:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"DC Comics" is the only DC Comics, so the qualifier "(imprint)" isn't needed. But there are many entities named "Vertigo". --Tenebrae 03:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As imprint says - an imprint is a line within a publishing company. Warner Brothers bought DC but it is an entertainment conglomerate which owns publishing companies and these companies may have imprints of their own, so DC itself isn't an imprint. (Emperor 04:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

That, too! --Tenebrae 04:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not when I look over Random House.

Ballantine Books is listed as an imprint of Random House, but it's also a publisher per its own page. There are quite a few other examples. I'm just concerned about the ambiguity of it. - jc37 08:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's because Ballantine Books was a preexisting company that was bought up by Random House, and has long publishing history as an independent entity. Vertigo was created within DC Comics. Again, I think the only reason to say "imprint" or some other qualifier is that, unlike Ballantine Books, there are several entities called Vertigo. (Had the formal, trademarked title been Vertigo Comics, that would have made things so much easier! But noooooo...!) --Tenebrae 12:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see any ambiguity. Ballantine Books was a publisher that became an imprint when it was bought by Random House. It itself has imprints (at least one of which itself has an imprint). I don't really see a problem. Companies can become imprints, imprints can move publishers (like Wildstorm did) and have their own imprints (Homage, for example) but I don't see the ambiguity. Vertigo is an imprint of DC Comics, it is the only imprint called Vertigo and it is in need of the most accurate ambiguation which seems to be (imprint). I still can't see what the problem is. (Emperor 13:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Go back to Vertigo (comics). There's no issue, since the article at Vertigo (Marvel Comics) wants, at best, merging somewhere based upon manual of style, notability guidance, Wikipedia not being a plot repository and verifiability issues. I can't quite think of an appropriate target just yet, since I'm having issues with List of Marvel characters, but thinking about it info could be merged into Salem's Seven and Marauders (comics), both merges noted in edit history, with the disambiguation page Vertigo amended appropriately. Steve block Talk 22:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Either works for me, "(comics)" or "(imprint)" -- anything so long as not "Vertigo Comics".--Tenebrae 03:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been ongoing for a over a week-and-a-half. When it gets to a fortnight this Sunday, I'd like to move the page as per discussion to "Vertigo (imprint)" for now and "Vertigo (comics)" if / when Vertigo (Marvel Comics) disappears. Thoughts? Comments?--Tenebrae 17:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I said I'd rather not keep moving this entry around so would want to make sure it ends up in the right place. (imprint) seems the most non-ambiguous but we could just move it to (comics) and be done with it (hatnote (Marvel Comics) for now). I have to say I am not really that bothered either way although (imprint) seems to be the most future-proof. (Emperor 19:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC))[reply]