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Crips,ferraz meaning of word

There is a mistake in the article I believe. In Tookies memoairs he states that crips was initially spelled "crib" and that it later evolved into the word crip because it was often misunderstood. And bloodz believe that crips are called CRabz. He also states that it does not stand for "Community Revolution In Progress" as also mentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.10.11 (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

According to a National Geographic program, the gang was originally called named the Cribs because they were so young and carried canes to look like Al Capone style gangsters. Walking with canes made people think they were crippled and so the name was changed to crips. Not sure which is right but I think the statement in the article is missing a citation anyways. Also, I'm fairly sure "Community Revolution in Progress" is incorrect. Anyone with more information would be very helpful. Crushacm (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Crip Whistle

Could something about the Crip Whistle, including its origin, be added to this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.14.100 (talk • contribs) 19 September 2007

Entertainers with Crip affiliations

Someone needs to provide reliable sources to the section on entertainers with Crip affiliations. Other than the Christian anti-gang website cited, I can't find anything linking Afroman to the Crips, except for one lyric from the song "Back 2 School" where he refers to himself as "the educated crip." Afroman is know for ironic and humorous lyrics, and I don't think this is enough to assume he's actually a Crip. Please read up on the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources. Toscaesque (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

-I agree, the references do need to be fixed, but there seems to be a trend of attempted whitewashing of the Entertainer's section, and I do not understand why. One does not completely remove a section because a couple of the sources might be strained. Instead, please remove entries which have broken or spurious sources.Out of Phase User (talk) 10:41, 26 March 2008 (EST)

What about snoop dogg? Rdrgz93 (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the main topic line, Regarding the start of the Crips.

Within the first paragraph there is a line that goes "Crips were not founded by 15-year-old Raymond Washington and Stanley Tookie Williams III . The Crips and Bloods are the children of political groups such as the Black Panthers, Slausons, and US Orginization." This is obviously a slur against the Crips and I recommend it for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.46.136.136 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I've removed this unsourced information. Tasc0 ^{It's a zero!} 18:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

My understanding of the changing from the name of "Cribs" to the name of "Crips" was not that they were walking with canes and appeared crippled; but that it is common practice not to use the letter "B" as it pertains to the blood gang. I beleive this should be included in the article. -30 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpop7ole (talk • contribs) 06:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

what are they?

what are the three kings and queens associated with the crips and why is the six point star usualy involved with the gangs activities. and when marking territory? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitch vampire chic (talk • contribs) 22:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the original LA or California Crips but is something that Crip gangs in other parts of the country have begun to do to signify an alliance with the Gangsta Disciples. California Crips usually laugh this sort of thing off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.114.76 (talk) 10:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

allies n' rivals

hol' up, i'm confused. are the bloodz n' nortenos allies? crips n' surenos allies? bloodz n' crips rivals? nortenos n' surenos rivals?72.226.157.22 (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC) they pretty much shoot at each other anyway so these "alliences" are not really real

In jail the nortenos tend to side with the balck gangs and the surenos tend to side with the white gangs_________________________

Here is a reference to the ref request about how the pirus and bloods formed the aliance (don't know where/how to put it)

http://www.gripe4rkids.org/BLhis.html

thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.214.5 (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

My Understanding

I believe that the crip gang is very weak in having to fight it's own group members. It shouldn't matter where you are our what stand of the gang you are, it matters that you are all walking around with the same colour. Don't kill an allie if they believe what you believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.215.229 (talk) 05:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Most so called Crips put their hood before the Crip beliefs. That is why when you see gangs write out there hoods the set always comes first(i.e w/sRSC=west side rollin sixties crip) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.205.132.86 (talk) 09:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Nortenos and crips

Nortes can be allies with crips, crips are blue and nortes are red (soo) some crips sets dont like surenos ..Theres a set in california called C-14 were there is crips and nortes unite,they both hate bloods and surenos.

Sets/Sub-affiliations - add more to this article

I think more needs to be added to this article to make it comprehensive. The larger affiliation of Crip is broken down at various levels with various alliances, beefs, geographical situations, etc and I think not having something on that leaves this article less than fully informative:

For instance, Los Angeles-area Crip gangs are divided into two larger groups of alliances - the "deuces" and the "trays" (deuce meaning two, tray meaning three). Gangs like the Rollin 60's, Darkside 40's and other sets are "deuce" Crips while gangs like Eight-Tray Gangstas are "tray"-affiliated. I've heard a variety of reasons for the distinction but it should be noted that "deuces" and "trays" are usually in opposition to each other. Also there are affiliations such as NHood's or Nieghborhood Crips...to which the "Rollin" gangs are a part, along with gangs such as 67 Neighborhood Crip or Lynwood Neighborhood Crip (NHC). There are also the Gangsta Crip gangs such as the afore-mentioned eight-tray Gangstas, and there were once Hoover (or Hoova) Crip gangs who broke away from the Crips and now refer to themselves as Hoova Criminals. Crip gangs also break down by geography...there are Watts Crips in Watts (PJ Watts Crip, Grape Street Watts Crip, Front Hood Watts Crip), Compton Crips in Compton (Twilight Zone Compton Crip, Nutty Blocc Compton Crip, Park Village Compton Crip), East Coast Crips on the Eastside of South LA (the name East Coast Crips predates the spread of Crips to the actual East Coast of the United States) and the West Coast Crips on the West Side of Long Beach. It also should be noted that some of the most violent gang rivalries in Los Angeles County are between Crip sets and other Crip sets, such as the Rollin 60's/83 Gangstas rivalry in South LA or the Insane Crip/Rollin 20's Crip rivarly in Long Beach.

I think also the expansion of the Crips and the varying forms they take on in different areas should be noted...Crips on the East Coast tend to have a more organized structure than their West Coast predecessors, and the Crip-Crip rivalries that dominate in Los Angeles are rare even in other parts of California.

I think there should be at least a brief mention of the relationship between the decline and migration of Crip gangs with the greater trends of growing Chicano presence in traditional African-American neighborhoods and "Black Flight" to suburbs and other parts of the country.

Finally I think some of the more known sets of crips should be identified and given seperate articles or stubs as they are usually identified seperately by law enforcement and the judicial system in gang injunctions and targeted enforcement efforts. For instance:

Eight Tray (83) Gangsta Crip in South LA

Rollin' 60's Crip in South LA

Raymond Ave Crip in Athens and Altadena

Insane Crip and Rollin 20 Crip in Long Beach

West Coast Crip in Long Beach

PJ Watts Crip and Grape Street Watts Crip in Watts

Shot Gun Crip in Gardena

Six-Deuce (6/2) Dimond Crip Gang in Fresno, Merced, Modesto and Stockton

Garrett Street Crip in Fresno

Modoc Boyz Crip in Fresno —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.188.250 (talk) 08:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

• The problem is sourcing the info. I've been in a long battle just adding the estimated number and the single line that the Crips are one of the largest and most powerful gangs. Something that simple is causing one editor in particular to argue about it. I can only imagine trying to add all this. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There's a guy who's done alot of scholarly research on gangs especially Black gangs in LA. His name is Alex Alonso and he appeared in the "Bastards of the Party" documentary and runs a website www.streetgangs.com with alot of info and links to news articles and other sources of info you can use to keep the editors off your back. I dont see how it can be disputed that the Crips are one of the largest street gang affiliations in the U.S. though. Some people...

well anyway good work so far good luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.114.215 (talk) 04:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible WP:BLP issue

An editor added a name of celebs that are Crips. While I know the list is mostly correct, we might have a BLP issue since it's not referenced. Labelling a living person as a member of a criminal organization without references is a problem, don't you think? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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