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== NHL roster template? == |
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I don't really like the NHL roster template. It's not compact enough and I think it should be more like an [[Template:Toronto Raptors roster|NBA one]] or even an [[Template:Cleveland Indians roster|MLB one]]. I like the sortabilty of the NBA one and the horizontal layout and succintness of the MLB one. Either way, I think it's time to change up the roster template. What kind have we had in the past (since I'm relatively new and the current one is the only one I know)? [[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 15:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:In the past, the roster template we use now was what we used as the roster section on each team article, with a template much like the MLB one used on the current season articles. It was decided that they were redundant, so we eliminated the template, and converted the team roster lists to replace them. Revising the layout is certainly something that can be discussed, and if you have ideas, feel free to create a test template in your sandbox. As a matter of personal preference, I very much dislike the MLB template as it not very informative. Names and nothing else does not offer much in the way of information. The NBA one is alright, but its compactness is mainly a function of the fact that NBA rosters are half the size of NHL rosters. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 15:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I've attempted test templates before and I discovered I'm not so good at them. I could try again though. [[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 18:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I like the current layout but of course we can discuss improvements. A sort function would be nice to add. Anyone think we should change what information we should use, such as replace Acquired and Place of Birth possibly? --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 16:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Height, Weight, Age, and perhaps instead of simply a year for Acquired how about FA-2008 for free agents, D-2008 for draft picks, and so on. Remove Place of Birth since the flags reveal the same information. Also, I prefer the NBA roster template (if the NBA template were essentially copied verbatim, a 23 player roster would be about the same size as the current NHL roster templates). --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 17:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::That is exactly what I was thinking, Flyer47, regarding the Acquired column. As it is now, it can be misleading regarding draft picks (some I've seen their draft year, others I've seen the year they actually signed with the team). I do like the addition of height, weight, and age because we could then include, in a legend area perhaps, teams averages of those stats. I'm sure there's code on here for that somewhere. The place of birth is kind of redundant given the flags. [[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 18:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::I'm not so sure I like the height/weight idea. Is it really necessarry? If somebody want that specific of info it's on each player's article, plus with all the different sites (NHL.com, team sites, ESPN) reports might conflict. Just seems a little overkill to me. I do however, like removing the birth sites as the flags already provide that info—unfotunately [[WP:FLAGBIO]] seems to forbid that. So the flags should probably be removed. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 19:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yeah, I don't like the idea of height/weight. I much prefer things like Aquired. As far as the ambiguity on when they were drafted vs when they were signed, that isn't an issue of the template itself, but of the maintenance of them. As far as place of birth that is definately not redundant, as the flag is for the country they represent internationally and the place of birth is where they were born. Besides the current players listed below, former players whose birth place and flag wouldn't match include such big names as [[Brett Hull]] and [[Rod Langway]] etc. And as far as compactness goes, its actually the lack of being compressed that I like about this template, I find the MLB and NBA ones are too small and look out of place on the pages. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Actually, place of birth isn't always redundant. i.e.: [[Robyn Regehr]], [[Owen Nolan]], [[Dany Heatly]], [[Alexander Steen]] and every player born in the former Soviet Union or Czechoslovakia. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 18:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::For Swedish teams place of birth can be useful since you (if you are familiar with Swedish geography) see if the team use local boys or not. [[Djurgårdens IF Hockey]] for example have all but 3 players from Stockholm. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 20:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I started making anew template a while ago, and wasn't too happy with it because I lack the sufficient skills to get it where I want it. But it is here: [[User:Thricecube/Sandbox]]. I'm sure someone should be able to modify out the date/city of birth and add how the players were acquired as well as expand the length of some of the columns. [[User:Thricecube|Thricecube]] ([[User talk:Thricecube|talk]]) 21:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Change DOB to Age and use [[Template:Age nts]]. Change Name to Player and use [[Template:Sortname]]. I think Num. (perhaps # instead) should be placed first and Pos. should be after Player. Use Birthplace instead of Place of Birth. I'm not sure whether everything needs to be centered or whether the font needs to be 95% or 100%. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 22:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:The problem I had with this one as I have with the NBA/MLB ones are that they are too skinny and look out of place in articles. If there was a way we make it wider then it would look much better, like have it set to fit the screen width like the current ones is. I have to disagree with Flyer47 in that I like Place of Birth better than Birthplace. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 22:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::[[Template:Philadelphia Flyers roster]]. <strike>I did not add Acquired yet.</strike> I might try to add Height/Weight just to see how it would look. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 23:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Perhaps widen the name column and condense the shot/glove column? [[User:Thricecube|Thricecube]] ([[User talk:Thricecube|talk]]) 03:38, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Definitely like how it currently appears. But Thrice's idea is probably a good idea. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 03:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::It looks superb. My only beef with it is the coding is a tad confusing, and will be to new users. [[User:Thricecube|Thricecube]] ([[User talk:Thricecube|talk]]) 04:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::<strike>There is no set width for any field at the moment. If a team were to sign a [[Alexander Andrijevski]] the width of the Player field would expand if needed. If there were to be set widths, the gray bar would likely take up two rows. While that wouldn't be the end of the world, I would prefer that the gray bar take up only one row and use abbreviations for Nationality, Positions, Shot/Glove, and possibly Acquired. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 05:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)</strike> |
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::Looks good, but wouldn't it be easier if we built it up like the NBA template with template within the template? Would make it much easier for when players are injured to just add "ir = yes". --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 10:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'm working a bit on a template, does anyone have any requests? I was thinking creating templates for IR and Captains would be good, to ensure that we have a uniform look across all pages. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 10:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Some more questions? Should we use all players in the same table or break it up like we have it today into Goaltenders, Defensemen, Forwards? --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 10:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Personally I liked the breakup we used to have between D-men, Forwards, and Goaltenders but I wouldn't be upset if they weren't seperated. Do give it a shot and see how it turns out. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: With respect to that, I think a default sorting weight would help. Goalies would be 1, Defensemen 2, Forwards 3 (with centers being 3.1, left wings being 3.2, and right wings 3.3), and then uniform number could be 4, and so on. I'm not sure on the technicality of what I just said, but I could look into it. [[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 20:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::: That's very easy to fix, but is it optimal? Take a look in [[User:Krm500/Sandbox2|my sandbox]] with different versions, both sortable but one in the old style with Goaltenders, Defensemen, and Forwards separated. Of course if chosen I will make sure so all lines match up like the old table did. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 21:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::: I added the sort numbers for the Flyers roster so goalies will appear first, then defenseman, and so on when you sort it. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 21:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::It's easier with the sortability to just put the players all in one table; if you want to view it by position, that can be done with the sorting. Also, it doesn't look like it was discussed here, but why were the piped links in "Acquired" changed to the team's season pages? I liked it better when it just went to the NHL season or draft. If it is a reference issue, this should be verified by the player page. By the way, overall, I do like the new format! I agree with the idea for captain, alternate, and IR templates. -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 15:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::I like Krm500's "alternative". Adding age is great, and maybe height/weight too. [[User:IrisKawling|IrisKawling]] ([[User talk:IrisKawling|talk]]) 03:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I like what we have now. Just about exactly how I imagined a potential change when I began this section. We just need it put in template form so it's easier to use for everybody. There's a lot of code in there now that wouldn't have to be and all rosters will be uniform. I mention this because I notice the Vancouver roster has already been changed. I think that's getting way ahead of where we should be especially considering we we just going to ''talk'' about a ''potential'' change. [[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 03:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Templates are also a great idea, but it could probably just be put into one. Such as <nowiki>{{Rosternote|IR/Capt/Asst}}</nowiki> [[User:IrisKawling|IrisKawling]] ([[User talk:IrisKawling|talk]]) 12:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I created [[Template:Ice hockey team roster]]. A player template (like [[Template:Player2|Player2]]) needs to be created along with [[Template:Ice hockey team roster/doc]]. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 20:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Unless I overlooked something, the [[Template:Ice hockey team roster|template]] is done. It has been applied to the [[Template:Philadelphia Flyers roster|Flyers roster]] and seems to be working fine. Would anyone be in favor of listing the players in alphabetical order rather than by number on the edit page? Name changes are rarer than number changes and it would be easier to simply edit the player's number rather than move the player up or down the list. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 03:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Interesting creation, is this going to be implemented? Not exactly what I meant by a "template".. more of just a small simple one like Krm said with a switch for C/A/IR to be used within the code. [[User:IrisKawling|IrisKawling]] ([[User talk:IrisKawling|talk]]) 11:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::All you have to do now is add C or A for '''cap''' and change no to yes for '''ir'''. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 21:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Flyer47 I think we need to work out a few more things before we put it in use, I for one don't want to see the frame around the roster, and few other things with the formatting. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 11:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Whether there is a frame or not, I would prefer to keep the title bar at the top with the [[Template:Tnavbar-header|Tnavbar-header]]. I'm not sure that can be done without a frame. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 21:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Another issue concerning the roster template: I would like to be able to put multiple positions for some forwards because some guys switch based on where they are needed in the lineup, especially due to injuries. Can anyone make this possible for the template? -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 21:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I know on player pages we tend to just list what position they most commonly play, to avoid this issue. Another option would be forwards should just be listed as forwards maybe?-[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::bmitch, if I'm looking at the right thing in the right template, you should already be able to do it... |
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::<code>| style="font-family:monospace;" | | pos = || Acceptable values are G, D, D/F, D/C, D/LW, D/RW, D/W, F, F/D,<br />C, C/D, C/LW, C/RW, LW/D, LW/C, RW/D, RW/C, W, and W/D.<br/>Column will sort in this order.</code> |
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::[[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 00:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== About FA on the Main Page == |
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As has been discussed before, I personal goal of mine was to have [[Trevor Linden]] appear on the Main Page the day the Canucks retire his jersey. However, the issue was there was no date set yet for this event. Now that the Canucks have announced that December 17 will be the night his jersey is retired, I am asking how one goes about getting an article on to the Main Page. I know some of you here have done this, so any advice on the topic would be great. [[User:Kaiser matias|Kaiser matias]] ([[User talk:Kaiser matias|talk]]) 16:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I believe you go to this page [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests]] -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, I've been reading up on it. Basically, when Raul is taking requests for the period that you want the article to appear, you can nominate it to appear on that date, assuming that date hasn't already been scheduled. He allows only five requests at any one time, and uses a point system to determine which requests should stay. People then support or oppose a nomination, and if supported, he'll schedule it in. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 18:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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===Calgary Flames TFA=== |
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Speaking of which, I've noticed in my watchlist that [[Calgary Flames]] will appear tomorrow as the TFA. I was planning to request it for Early October to match the start of the season, but this works too. :) That said, I expect a lot of vandalism from Canuck and Oiler fans especially. Should be an interesting day on the main page. heh [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 18:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I noticed that when I looked at the request link yesterday, congratulations on yet another fine article on the main page! --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 09:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks! I was going to aim to have the first NHL history article featured on December 19, in anniversary of the first NHL games played, but I think I'll leave that one for later. Linden definitely deserves the spotlight, especially for a one time event. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::What we should have aimed for was getting [[Montreal Canadiens]] back to FA status so it could have been up for their December 4th 100th anniversary. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Still possible, right? A good summary of the history, the rest of the article is already set. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 16:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I've got the books for inline citations on the old history. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Yeah, maybe I will take a look at seeing what needs to be cleaned up this weekend. I have a bunch of old Canadiens books as well. Was an uber fan growing up, however since moving to calgary a decade ago I have become split, since we don't see many canadiens games on TV here anymore. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Though if you want to get technical, the 100th anniversary of their founding is December 4, 2009. We still have over a year for that. This is their 100th season though. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Ahh see I thought the way it worked was Dec 4th 2008 was their 100th anniversary, but their 100th season wouldn't be till next year because of the lock out. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Including the lockout, this is their 100th season. Just the magic of 1909-10 through to 2008-09 equalling 100 seasons. But the anniversary of their ''founding'' is still over a year away. Plenty of time to rewrite and refocus this article. :) [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::The Canadiens needs the main article, the History of article and many seasons articles filled out, I think, to get to FA status proper again. I have been entering the seasons, and it is up to 1926 only. The 100th season is why I was entering the season data, and I will get to entering more seasons RSN. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 16:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::That being said, sub articles don't have to be up to FA level (or even exist) for the main article itself to get FA. The only page that really has to be overly worried about is the main article. The Flames are a good example as its missing many of those things, or rather was when it was promoted I think. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I never understood the validity of moving stuff out to sub-articles to circumvent the FA standards. There ought to be references for the stuff in the subs. Anyway, I wanted to point out that the annversary of the first game of the Canadiens is in January 2010 (game one was vs. Cobalt, so I doubt that will be the opposition for any outdoor game). [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 17:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::I guess what I was concerned about were red links to season articles. We can link to NHL season articles I guess. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 17:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::I never thought about the red links, yes articles would need to be created for those you are correct, I would just tend to create those as needed, but thats just personal work flow. We haven't really moved information to sub articles to circumvent FA standards. You move them to sub articles because the main article gets too big. Remember pages are shootting for around the 60k size mark. As for the outdoor game, according to the news today it looks like they are aiming to have an outdoor game this December 4th vs the Rangers. They are just in talks with the city to make it official. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::That being said, TSN just reported that the team denies a date has been set. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::This December would only be the -99th- anniversary of their founding, so I don't understand that date. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 17:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::::It's the official kick off day of their anniversary year though from what I have read. But anyways all rumours and speculation at this point I would guess. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:That was neat to see a picture I took on the front page. Congrats on getting the Flames article featured and on the front page. -- [[User:JamesTeterenko|JamesTeterenko]] ([[User talk:JamesTeterenko|talk]]) 22:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::ahh, I was wondering if this would lure you out of retirement, heh. Thanks, and it is a good picture, even if a couple of people at Calgarypuck think it is Kipper's bad mask. ;o) [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 22:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Congrats on the TFA, folks. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Nice to see a quality hockey article on the front page. Congrats Resolute, I know you've been striving to reach this milestone for a while. [[User:Kaiser matias|Kaiser matias]] ([[User talk:Kaiser matias|talk]]) 05:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks! Comically, we've now attracted an edit warrior attempting to enforce his opinion of image policy by any and all means necessary. This would be comical if it wasn't so sad. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 14:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: Yeah ... with all the [[WP:POINT]] he's throwing around - and I note he does this a fair bit - I'm about ready to set up a RfC. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 14:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::I thought about an ANI post on him, but decided against as it may seem retalitory at this point, and honestly, he's running out of avenues to be disruptive. I'm almost curious as to where he will go next with this. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 15:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::: Posting to Jimbo's user talk page? Going to the media? Thing is, he's certainly being disruptive, he's certainly acting in bad faith, and these aren't the only images he's targeting, but has he yet committed ANI-worthy violations? It'll come to that, of course ... let's face it, how many times do the edit warriors who know for a certain fact that they're right and all the rest of the world is wrong ever, ever just meekly sit down and shut up when consensus is against them? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 15:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Looks like he went to [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fasach Nua|Rfc]] earlier this year, so this isn't the first time there has been an issue with him. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Make that [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fasach Nua 2|twice]]. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== DEL Category == |
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I'm inquiring about Category:Deutsche Eishockey Liga players. Should all the players in the category be moved to team categories rather than the league? [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 15:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:If you know the teams they belong on yes. In general players are in the league category if we don't have all their team categories created yet. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Seems like a good idea to me. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 15:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Right then I'll get started then. Thanks gang. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 15:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I see [[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] has started working on A so I'll start from B. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 15:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::No No I was just testing something go ahead and start on A. Becarefull on the naming so you don't duplicate. For example. Cologne Sharks are the [[Kölner Haie]]. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Yes I am aware of that and all, I'll load up the DEL wiki page to assist me anyway just in case. No problem I'll work from the top, last thing I wanted was more than one person working on the same and causing edit conflicts. And by all means anyone can assist if you wish to do so :) [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 16:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::What about the Nurnberg/Sinupret Ice Tigers, would creating a category for Nurnberg result in a duplicate? [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 16:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Nevermind I see you already done that, mucho gracias. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 16:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Yeah I was looking for incorrectly categorized players and it seems the Sinupret cat is full of them so I am just cleaning it up. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Almost done, just another 23 files to go, was hoping to do it all tonight but time and fatigue has beaten me (5:14 am over here in UK). Nevermind, always tomorrow. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 04:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::No rush, you are doing a great job! Always good to see editors focusing on Euro based articles. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 04:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Well that's a problem I'm trying to work on, with me being European and all. I hope to create many European player bios in the near future and expand it a little bit. Loads of european leagues, but not enough european players. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 04:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::That's it all done! I'll look at other league categories lacking team catergories (Austria, Italy, Switzerland etc) and not make a start on Wikipedia, but rather on pen to paper and see what I can come up with. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 15:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::Some of the leagues may not need seperating yet, if there is only 10 players in say the Italian league on wikipedia they probably don't need to be split into teams yet as you might end up with only one person per category. (I just picked league at random I know this one probably should be). -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Well we currently have about 90 files in Italy which would mean possibly going ahead with that one, but there are only 9 in the Slovak Extraliga, so to do that one right now would be close to pointless. If I created more players that play or have played in Slovakia and say we get to like 60 or so then it would be possible to split them then. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::Yup that's my point, I just picked Italy at random, hadn't looked how many articles it had. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::Some team categories already exist but aren't in the league catergories. I'm gonna make a start with Serie A. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 16:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== A new women's hockey record == |
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Check this out: [http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/more/09/09/bulgaria.hockey.ap/index.html?cnn=yes]... Slovakia defeated Bulgaria 82-0 and outshot them 139-0 in an Olympic women's hockey qualifier for Vancouver 2010. I don't know for sure, but this has to be some kind of record! [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 23:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:"The margin of victory is a record for a women's International Ice Hockey Federation-sanctioned event." Is there somewhere we can post this amazing massacre? [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 23:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Time to create a new article: [[International ice hockey records]]. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 23:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Need to create [[Bulgaria national women's ice hockey team]] or [[Slovakia national women's ice hockey team]] to note it there. Seems there are a lot of redlinks at [[:Template:IIHF]] among the national women's teams. --[[User:Bamsefar75|Bamsefar75]] ([[User talk:Bamsefar75|talk]]) 01:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Probably... but that is mind-blowing. I forget the men's record... but it was pretty ridiculous too. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 00:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::[http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/article3283671.ab This] says that Bulgaria's goaltender Liubomira Shosheva had enough of it at 18.35 in the third period, with the score 79–0 to Slovakia. Kamelia Drazheva replaced her in goal, and she shut out Slovakia for 9 seconds! --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 00:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:On average, Slovakia scored a goal [http://www.google.ca/search?q=60%2F(82%2F60) every 44 seconds]! How humiliating that must have been; even Slovakia should have been embarrassed. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 00:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::IIHF agrees it is a record for sanctioned games [http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/news-singleview/article/slovakia-advances-in-olympic-qualifier.html] and notes it didnt beat the non-sanctioned record from 1998. --[[User:Bamsefar75|Bamsefar75]] ([[User talk:Bamsefar75|talk]]) 01:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I am guessing the South Korea/Thailand men's score is the all-time record sanctioned or unsanctioned... damn. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 01:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* Heh, I remember back when Northeastern University was a women's hockey powerhouse and Harvard decidedly wasn't, the Lady Huskies beat Harvard 12-1 ... and had 110 shots. I thought then, and haven't changed my mind, that the poor Harvard goal must have been greater than Jacques Plante, Clint Benedict, Ken Dryden and Patrick Roy combined to face '''110''' shots and let only twelve in. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 02:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Holy cow, I get bored after putting video games on easy and scoring 15 goals in the first period... The men's score was mentioned, but not given; could it possibly be higher than''that''? '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 16:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I believe it was 92-1 but I might have the losing teams score wrong. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:92-0 South Korea over Thailand I believe. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 17:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== diacritics == |
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It seems to me that the note on the project page about the use of diacritics goes well beyond the intention of the compromise between participants in the diacritics debate, which was only about players' names. Shouldn't it be modified to clearly apply only to players' names? One editor has removed diacritics from the name of the town a player comes from, and is quoting this note as justification. Surely that wasn't the intention of the agreed compromise? [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 16:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:No it's not. City names are still to have diacritics. Though there are still some people who disagree heavily with that fact. Diacritics in city names are already goverened by a wiki wide policy. The note actually specifically mentions player names <s>and is on the player format page.</s> -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC) Whoops looks like we have it on the main page now. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: If it was done on a player's page, I'd agree with you. Heck, the grounding behind the anti-diacritical position is that players' names aren't commonly rendered in English using diacriticals. That position doesn't readily hold water for hometowns in non-English speaking countries, where with a few exceptions an English-language variant of the names aren't known to a preponderance of users. What's the page in question? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 16:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::[[:Template:Buffalo Sabres roster]] Town names should only be changed if there is an actual english translation for them. For example [[Munich]] is a translation of [[München]]. Removing diacritics is not a translation. Most cities in non-english countries as mentioned by RG, either don't have a translation or its not widely known by that name. The argument behind the players names losing them is that the NHL doesn't put them on the back of jerseys which of course doesn't hold up for city names. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::: And, happily, DJ just tightened up the language on the policy, which I think all sides can agree was our intent. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 17:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: Yeah I think most people would agree this was what we were trying to get across. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks for the rapid response. [[User:Colonies Chris|Colonies Chris]] ([[User talk:Colonies Chris|talk]]) 17:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Our project is nothing if not organized and fast. Someone mentioned on one of the Wikiproject proposal pages that we were one of the most organized projects out there. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::: It doesn't hurt to have twenty or so capable, knowledgeable editors willing to defer to one another's expertise and with a spirit of compromise. Heh, Chris, let me ask this: can you tell which sides of the diacritics issue some of us take? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 19:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Yeah you would never know that RG and I are on completely different sides of the arguement when it comes to player names. I also can't believe its been about a year since our last major blow up about them. I would say the compromise is working. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Note: I've stuck to my self-imposed gag order. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== 1967 NHL Expansion == |
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Although an important event in NHL history, I question the need for full capitalization in "[[1967 NHL Expansion]]". Having it capitalized seems to give undue importance to the event—I would reserve full capitalization for truly important events such as the [[My Lai Massacre]]. What are people's thoughts on renaming this to [[1967 NHL expansion]]? This would be more in line with Wikipedia's naming standards. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 21:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:It depends on if it was an official title or not. Did the NHL officially call it the 1967 NHL Expansion or is that just a term we use to describe it. If its the former it needs to stay capitalized. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I also note that the intro talks about the "major expansion for the 1967-68 season", as opposed to referring to 1967 NHL Expansion as a formal title. I'm leaning lower-case. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 22:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, I don't think it was ever formalized. I think that it was just so drastic, after 25 years of only six teams, that people gave it a name. The [[1967 NHL Expansion Draft]], however, I would keep capitalized, as ''that'' was a formal event. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 22:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: Heck, I created the article, and I agree it's no formal title, and that current naming conventions should have "expansion." [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 06:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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So where does this stand? [[1967 NHL expansion]]? [[1967 expansion of the National Hockey League]]? [[1967 National Hockey League expansion]]? — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 04:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I would say option 1. We tend to use NHL in most article titles such as seasons. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 04:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== NHLSeasonTOC == |
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I've added a year parameter to the NHLSeasonTOC template. This is to omit the 'Draft picks' link for the seasons prior to 1963. Another one I think we should control is the 'Farm teams' link. I think we could use whatever year farm teams were started, or we could use an option to the template to hide it. I suggest the year, because I am already using it, but I don't know if that is a good solution. Is there a good year to use as a starting point? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 23:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Haven't farm teams in one form or another always been around? I mean they may not have been called farm teams but they basically were. In the O6 era it was "sponsored teams". Before that it was probably the same idea, local teams that were at a lower level that they pulled players off of. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Official farm teams existed as early as the 1920s; the [[Springfield Indians]] were founded as a Rangers' farm team in 1926, and the Boston Cubs in the CanAm started in 1930 as the Bruins' farm team. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 03:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Brian Heaton has died == |
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[http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.html?id=6f9d03d3-9784-4415-8ed1-01950ae4a1cf] Kingsville native and goalie equipment revolutionary Brian Heaton has died. You can thank him for Heaton and Brian's goalie equipment... as well as many major innovations in which goalie equipment is made and thought of. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 22:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:NHLPrimaryColor}}]] == |
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[[Template:{{ucfirst:NHLPrimaryColor}}]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{ucfirst:NHLPrimaryColor}}|the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> -- [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] [[User talk:Suntag|<b><big><font color="#FF8C00">☼</font></big></b>]] 17:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:These are all already listed on our project [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey#Templates|deletion page]]. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== The history of captains == |
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I would like to write a prose introduction for the [[List of current NHL captains and alternate captains]] in an attempt to end the confusion that that page has become, especially in the off-season. If anyone would like to help, I welcome you with open arms. As for my main goal, I think the intro would benefit from a brief history of the concept of the [[Captain (ice hockey)|captain]] and alternates. Currently the captain article has no info on the origin; and I think that article would certainly benefit from the info as well. I know very little on the topic, is there anyone who could help me out? If we can get a good start, then perhaps after the season begins we can go ahead with an [[WP:FL|Featured list]] nomination—but as for the short term, I just would like to end the changes and reverts that seem to go on quite a bit. Thank you. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 01:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Mostly, all of that should be put in [[Captain (ice hockey)]]. However, a prose section is definitely needed in the list of current captains article. Any mention of the history of captaincy should be a brief summary, with [[Captain (ice hockey)]] being the main article. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 01:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I agree, the problem is: The [[Captain (ice hockey)]] article has no info on the origin of captains. If somebody could find this info I think both that article and the list would benefit. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 01:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Roster Guidelines == |
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What constitutes an official roster for a team? Yesterday when the LA Kings released their training camp roster, I went and updated the Template as it is officially their roster. All those players (and their numbers) were deleted from said template. (The format was also changed, which I don't like but apparently I have no say in that matter as it was discussed above) I would say that since the Kings either have to assign or release all players in camp that the training camp roster is their official roster. Especially, since they have released a training camp guide on their website that lists all these players as members of the LA Kings. [[User:Shootmaster 44|Shootmaster 44]] ([[User talk:Shootmaster 44|talk]]) 07:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Hello Shootmaster 44. Training camp rosters are different from official rosters. With respect to the players you added in, most of them would wind up in the AHL by the start of the season, meaning we would have to delete almost half the roster. An official roster contains players called up to the actual team to play an NHL game, traning camp just gives the minor players a chance to impress the coaches and try to earn a spot in tne team for the upcoming season. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 13:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::They could be hidden instead of deleted. That said, if we were to follow the Kings website as closely as possible RFA's [[Patrick O'Sullivan (ice hockey)|Patrick O'Sullivan]] and [[Brad Richardson]] would not be listed. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 15:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::We could hide them, but that would still mean typing in a good deal of players that will never play. I don't generally do too much roster work so you can do what you want, but it just seems like a lot of time that could be spent on other needed things. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 15:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Since the Kings do a lot of yo-yoing with players in the last few years, many of those players are likely to see the light of day in LA. Plus, since I already added them to the roster all it takes is adding the hidden lines when they are sent to Manchester etc. However, if consensus is that training camp rosters, even if sent out by the team, are not official rosters then I will leave the issue alone. But the way I've always looked at it is the NHL season begins as of the first day of training camp. Ergo, that roster is no longer the offseason roster, but the current roster. But again since consensus seems to be no to this issue, I will leave it be. [[User:Shootmaster 44|Shootmaster 44]] ([[User talk:Shootmaster 44|talk]]) 06:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Most of us, except a few people that are hardcore into rosters don't touch rosters until the season is officially underway. Because of too many edit wars from drive by editors. Technically speaking the team has no official roster until Day 1. I personally don't like any rosters on team pages until the season starts as they cause too many issues. A training camp roster is not a team roster, it is a roster of people at the training camp. The team roster is not announced until the team is selected. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Personally, what I go by is: if a player played a game in the NHL the previous season, he should be on the offseason roster. [[User:Thricecube|Thricecube]] ([[User talk:Thricecube|talk]]) 18:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with that. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 00:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Frame around roster template == |
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Would anyone be in favor of removing the frame around the [[Template:Ice hockey team roster|roster template]], removing the title bar at the top, and replacing it with a simple [[Template:Tnavbar-header|Tnavbar-header]]? It would end up looking like this:<br><br> |
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{{Tnavbar-header||Philadelphia Flyers roster|plain=1|fontcolor=black}} |
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<small>Updated [[September 5]], [[2008–09 NHL season|2008]].[http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?service=page&page=TeamPlayers&type=roster][http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&bcid=pre_inj_injuryReport]</small><br> |
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{| class="sortable" style="background:transparent; margin:0px; width:100%;" align="center" |
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|- bgcolor="#dddddd" |
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!width=5%| [[Squad number#Ice hockey|#]] |
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!width=6%| [[Nationality|Nat]] |
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!width=24%| Player |
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!width=8%| [[Position (team sports)|Pos]] |
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!width=8%| [[Shot (hockey)|S]]/[[Glove (hockey)#Goaltender's glove|G]] |
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!width=8%| Age |
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!width=11%| Acquired |
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!width=30%| Place of Birth |
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This would be added to each team's roster template page (similar to how it was before) and wouldn't require a separate template page for minor league/junior teams (such as what I did for the [[Template:Philadelphia Phantoms roster|Philadelphia Phantoms]] or [[User:Hucz]] did for the [[Template:Kelowna Rockets roster|Kelowna Rockets]]. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Please remove it, I think the coloured frame looks tacky. This proposal looks much cleaner. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 19:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I like it with the frame, actually. This type of thing, in my opinion, adds to the general appearance of these articles, in a positive way. - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::May I also add that I would prefer if goaltenders, defensemen, and forwards were separated like we used to do. [[Template:Frölunda HC roster|Here's an example of how it would look]]. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 19:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Personally, I am indifferent towards the frame. I think it looks good either way. As far as separating positions goes, I would prefer that as well. At the very least, make the default sort position followed by jersey number. Alphabetically is just awakward looking. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 19:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I'd agree with this too – nice to separate the positions. - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 20:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Why? There is absolutely no difference between Forwards and Defensemen and the difference between Skaters and Goaltenders is insignificant. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 20:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::There is no difference? Really?....... - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Goodness. There is no difference between Forwards and Defensemen and the difference between Skaters and Goaltenders is insignificant (Shot and Glove)... '''as they are presented on [[Template:Frölunda HC roster|Krm500's alternative]].''' --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 21:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Remember that people who don't know of hockey will read these pages too, it makes it easier to them if positions are separated. Also since the table gets quite long a simple breaker like position makes it easier to read. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 21:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Where were these insightful comments September 3-6? A 23 player roster is not very long. --[[User:Flyer47|Flyer47]] ([[User talk:Flyer47|talk]]) 21:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Look at the previous discussion again, three user were in favour of keeping the separators. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 00:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::And the separation between postions would make the template even longer. To sort by position, it's easy enough to hit the sorting button at the top of the colum. -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 23:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::The NHL separates by position on the team's roster pages. I agree it looks better and more easily informative that way. [[User:ConkblockCity|ConkblockCity]] ([[User talk:ConkblockCity|talk]]) 23:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::I am in favour of separating the rosters by position. I have never seen any hockey team list their players in any table format without the separations. [[User:Shootmaster 44|Shootmaster 44]] ([[User talk:Shootmaster 44|talk]]) 06:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Coaches, refs, etc. == |
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There's been a recent flap in AfD over the college football Wikiproject's house criteria when it comes to coaches. Despite recent changes in [[WP:ATHLETE]] to explicitly remove coaches from the "competitors" criteria, [[WP:CFB]] essentially declared anyone who'd ever coached a game at any level of college football (even down to NAIA and Bible academies) "notable." |
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We don't have explicit guidelines for coaches, referees or administrators ourselves, and it strikes me that we should, because sooner or later this'll come up. So ... here's a first shot at it; feel free to tear it apart. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 14:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Notability criteria for ice hockey coaches, referees and administrators:''' |
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Non-playing hockey personnel are not inherently notable unless they meet the general notability criteria of [[WP:BIO]] or one of the following: |
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* Are Honoured Members of the [[Hockey Hall of Fame]]; |
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* Have won a significant professional award for their post, such as the [[Jack Adams Award]], the [[Kalevi Numminen trophy]] or the [[Ken McKenzie Award]]; |
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* Are within the top five career leaders for games coached, games won, games lost or games officiated for a major professional or top level minor professional or amateur league; |
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* Have been the head coach or general manager of a [[Stanley Cup]] championship team, a World Championship team, or an Olympic medal-winning team; |
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* Otherwise qualify as a player under the notability criteria for hockey players. |
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<nowiki>***********************</nowiki> |
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:Only thing I really would say is that I think any NHL (or other top league like SEL etc) level coach should be ok because really, head coach in a top level league pretty much means they are at the top of their profession and are likely to have verifiable reliable sources about them. Though I suppose that probably falls under the last point you have there. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. Anyone who has coached a top level league is notable. If for no other reason than you can guarantee they pass [[WP:N]] itself. Such coaches are virtually guaranteed to be the subject of multiple, non trivial stories. Ditto GMs. Can't say the same about referees and linesmen though. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 14:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::: Except that [[WP:ATHLETE]] doesn't currently agree; declaring that coaches at any level are ''de jure'' notable bypasses that. If they ''do'' have verifiable, reliable sources about them, then they can be sourced and added. If none are found, there shouldn't be an article. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 15:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: I don't necessarily agree with that, we do it for players all the time. Alot of the players who meet [[WP:ATHLETE]] are in the same situation as the coaches. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 15:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::: We do it for players all the time because [[WP:ATHLETE]] explicitly says so. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 16:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::It said it about coaches too, until a single person removed the line without discussion, and wp:athlete actually says competitor not player. I would argue a coach is a competitor, just in a different way than a player. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I agree with Djsasso: NHL and other top-level league are considered notable. I would like to add that coaches of national teams at the top level (World Cup / Olympics) should also be OK. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 19:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::: I'd argue not. A coach "competes" not one whit more than the equipment manager or the general manager, both of whom you can argue equally contribute to the material success of the team, and none of whom advance the puck in a game so much as a foot. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 19:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: You mean besides deciding which player is on the ice when? Or which players are taking the shoot out, or which player is in net. All of which are crucial to the strategy part of the game. Yes there is the physical competition of the game but there is all the strategic competition involved in the game. Too few people remember that a coach can make or break a good team. The word competitor does not limit to physical competition. You don't have to advance the puck in the game to make a difference in the game. For example a certain coach decided not to put [[Wayne Gretzky]] in the shoot out at the Olympics and Canada lost. I would wager a bet Gretzky would have scored had he been on the ice for the shootout and won Canada the Gold Medal. So a coach directly influenced the game. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:In the end, however, [[WP:ATHLETE]] is only a special-case guideline—[[WP:PEOPLE]] is the top guideline for people. Have a look and decide if you think any top-level coach would not pass the criteria: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 19:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yup, you are totally correct. I can't imagine a single NHL head coach that hasn't met that criteria since there is going to be an article in the local paper atleast saying they hired a new coach, the local tv news is also going to have a story saying a new coach was hired, likely the national news on TSN etc will say a new coach was hired....and so on and so forth. It would be impossible for a NHL level coach to not meet those criteria. I can't say for sure the same with other leagues but I wouldn't doubt it. The same can't be said for an equipment trainer. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Exactly. I think this one is a no-brainer. We can almost directly apply the notability standards we use for players on coaches. Any coach in the NHL or any top professional league worldwide, and then award winners or top-5 record holders and whatnot for lower leagues. The gerneral notability standards can easily be passed on these people. – <font color="black">[[User:Nurmsook|Nurmsook!]]</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Nurmsook|<font color="darkblue">talk...</font>]]''</sup> 20:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I have to agree with the others and say that being a head coach in the NHL or other top level league is notable. For AHL, ECHL, etc, you have to achieve the notability requirements listed above or be notable in another way. GM's and referees are a little different, though GM's would more than likely meet [[WP:PEOPLE]]. For referees, could we implement some sort of game threshold? Maybe 500 or 1,000 games officiated? [[User:Patken4|Patken4]] ([[User talk:Patken4|talk]]) 21:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::For ref's I seem to remember at some point we said they had to be in the hall of fame or otherwise meet [[WP:PEOPLE]]. But I wouldn't know where to begin looking for such a decision. I could be making it up haha. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 21:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I think [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Archive17#Notability_of_Referees.2FLinemen|this]] was our prior discussion on refs and linesmen. [[User:Patken4|Patken4]] ([[User talk:Patken4|talk]]) 01:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Ice Hockey == |
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[[Wikipedia:Release Version|Wikipedia 0.7]] is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] has made an [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/release-data/2008-9-13/HTML/ automated selection of articles for Version 0.7]. |
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We would like to ask you to review the [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/release-data/2008-9-13/HTML/Ice_Hockey.s0.html articles selected from this project]. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at [[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7]]. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at [[Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations]]. |
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A [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/problems.cgi list of selected articles with cleanup tags], sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Copyediting|copyediting requests]], although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. |
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We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at [[User:SelectionBot/0.7/I-1|this project's subpage]] of [[User:SelectionBot/0.7]]. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, [[User:SelectionBot|SelectionBot]] 23:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:FWIW, there are five articles from our project on this list in need of cleanup: [[American Hockey League]], [[Buffalo Sabres]], [[Minnesota North Stars]], [[San Jose Sharks]] and [[Staples Center]]. Personally, I can think of probably a hundred articles I would consider more important from a WP:HOCKEY perspective than Staples Center... [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 23:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Buffalo Sabres looks pretty clean. The others need work. I think Staples got there because it gets links into basketball, too? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 00:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::What about adding an importance to the Ice hockey template? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 00:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Depends. Do we have Kaiser Matias around to assess all 12,000 articles again? ;) Actually, an importance scale would be pretty easy, imo: |
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:::*Top: Top level league articles, players that revolutionized the game, i.e.: Orr, Gretzky, Plante, Howe |
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:::*High: Current NHL teams, teams in other current top level leagues. Hall of Famers, current stars. |
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:::*Mid: Historical NHL teams, Historical teams from defunct major leagues, i.e.: WCHL, PCHA, current players, Major NHL, international and amateur awards |
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:::*Low: Everything else |
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:::*Negative: Edmonton Oilers players. ;o) [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 03:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::While the thought of sitting on my computer for the better part of 3 weeks grading the importance of 14,000 hockey articles, I might just have to pass on this opportunity. But don't forget to add the Leafs to that negative list. [[User:Kaiser matias|Kaiser matias]] ([[User talk:Kaiser matias|talk]]) 04:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Not to mention we have like [[:Category:Unassessed Ice Hockey articles|1287 articles]] that aren't even rated yet that still need rating. I don't think importance is that important. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 04:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Sure, but it seems inevitable that it will be added, no? Maybe we can default the template to set all articles that include the template to low importance. Then only the ones higher (a much smaller number) need to be rated. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 15:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::: Mm, plainly their rating system does, though, although I have to wonder about a system that includes the Izod Center and Ray Emery over scores of more worthy articles, and I can think of a lot of hockey concepts I'd want up before hat tricks. (This being the revenge of those of us thinking "RAY EMERY at FA?!?!?") I do have a thought ... if being unrated is something that disqualifies an article from this list, could we look over that Unassessed list and see what ones fail just because no one's rated them yet? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 15:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Adding importance could possibly override a simple FA status. Ray is definitely low importance. (or negative). :-) Actually negative is an interesting concept to consider. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 15:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::I believe the way they do it is, the higher the rating the more likely it is picked at random. So I would bet unassessed don't get chosen from at all. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Importance doesnt seem to have a huge effect. [[Calgary Hitmen]] somehow showed up on WP:CANADA's list, which was just bizarre to me. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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(outdent) I agree that the rating system isn't a huge priority, but it might also help organize articles a little. I really don't see there being many top or high priority articles, and really, even if implemented I don't see a huge need for a project to rank everything. Articles just get ranked when they get ranked, and so be it. |
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As far as the assessment goes, I suppose this is why we got the notice. The project is looking for feedback. Staples Center, Ray Emery and a couple others shouldn't be there ahead of some other articles. [[Aalborg Boldspilklub]] and [[Minnesota North Stars]] ranked ahead of [[HC CSKA Moscow]]? The list has 61 articles. Perhaps we can create our own list of 61 and submit it to this project, stating that these are the core ice hockey articles? [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I might be wrong but I think the point of the random picking was to make sure that there was no bias as to what articles are going to be included and so that there is a fair representation of articles at each level, FA, GA, B, C etc. So if you are switching out say a Trevor Linden which is a FA you would need to switch in another FA. If we try to get them to change so many of the articles on the list there is a bias introduced. I think we were just being asked to remove articles that shouldn't actually be a hockey listed article. For example if [[Magic Johnson]] showed up in the list. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Well, [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Release_Version_Criteria#Release_Version_0.7|here]] is their criteria, so I guess that does make playoff more important than [[Stanley Cup Playoffs]], but some selections are fairly goofy even in this context. We can nominate articles that we consider important. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 17:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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===Changes?=== |
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Some thoughts on changes. |
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*Ray Emery out --> [[Patrick Roy]] in |
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*Izod Center out --> [[Maple Leaf Gardens]] in |
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*Staples Center out --> [[Montreal Forum]] in |
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*TD Banknorth Garden out --> [[Boston Garden]] in |
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*Aalborg Boldspilklub out --> [[HC CSKA Moscow]] in |
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*Minnesota North Stars out --> [[Djurgårdens IF Hockey]] in? (need more international representation, but this article needs work) |
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*Quebec Nordiques out --> [[TPS (ice hockey)]] in? (again, international and needs work. Our european based friends might help decide which are the best teams to use) |
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*Playoff out --> [[Stanley Cup Playoffs]] in |
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*Trevor Linden out --> [[Gordie Howe]] in |
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[[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: I would like to add Gordie Howe, but that article needs cleanup and citations. Sad but true. The rest I can agree on, though I'd like to keep the Nordiques. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 17:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Hell, if there were no limits, I'd like to add all NHL teams. But really, I think the current teams should be given preference. Hard to justify the Nords over the Montreal Maroons, for instance, or the original Senators. Plus they would be linked to in the Colorado Avalance article. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 17:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Staples Center would be better included if it were as a representative of the basketball or NBA projects since it hosts two teams. [[User:Patken4|Patken4]] ([[User talk:Patken4|talk]]) 17:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I am guessing that that is why its there. If it links to more than one project its listed in both and I think has a higher chance of being picked based on what I saw for some other projects. It is a part of 7 different wiki projects which all but guarantee'd it would be picked. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* I don't have a problem with Resolute's suggestions. Got to admit, much though I loved the North Stars and the Nords, having them in and Central Red Army out is insane, and if any player bar Gretzky deserves to be in more than Gordie Howe, I can't think of him. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 17:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I agree. Then we should pitch in on the Howe article. It needs work. Maybe we need a 'historical players task force.' At one time I was going to, right after working on keeping Gretzky at FA. Howe is 80, we should not delay, I suppose, though I think he is pretty healthy. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 18:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Merging articles == |
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Does anyone know how to merge articles? I have three (!) articles that are for the same venue. They are the [[Everett Events Center]], [[Comcast Arena at Everett]], and [[Comcast Arena at Everett Events Center]]. The venue is home to the Everett Silvertips, so it is part of our project. It seems the [http://comcastarenaeverett.com/ official website] refers to the venue as Comcast Arena at Everett Events Center. Can anyone help me out with this merge? Thanks in advance! [[User:Patken4|Patken4]] ([[User talk:Patken4|talk]]) 01:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:<s>While we're at it; please merge [[Jonas Nordqvist]] to [[Jonas Nordquist]].</s> --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 02:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::All you have to do to merge is copy and paste what you are moving into the proper article and as an edit summary say which article you took it from. And then redirect the articles you no longer need.-[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 04:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Yeah ... there's no great secret to it. You take from the old articles what you think ought to go in the combined article, is all. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 16:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Only important part is putting in the edit comments "meged from X" in the new article and "merged to X" in the article you are redirecting so people looking for who to credit the edits to can find them. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Most viewed articles == |
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Looking at the full list of articles from that Version 0.7 list, I noticed that it can be sorted to show articles by monthly page views. These would then be the most viewed articles from within this project: |
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| [[National Hockey League]] || {{GA-symbol}} || 71,670 || |
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| [[Wayne Gretzky]] || [[Image:LinkFA-star.png]] || 51,930 || |
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| [[Erin Andrews]] || Start || 49,920 || rofl |
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| [[Ice hockey]] || B || 42,090 || |
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| [[Madison Square Garden]] || B || 41,610 || |
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| [[Ted Turner]] || N/A || 40,590 || I removed it. Turner has no real association with hockey |
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| [[Jockstrap]] || B || 36,900 || Ahh, the maturity of the internet |
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| [[Kontinental Hockey League]] || Start || 31,110 || |
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| [[Detroit Red Wings]] || B || 30,000 || |
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| [[Toronto Maple Leafs]] || B || 27,600 || |
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| [[Mats Sundin]] || B || 26,250 || East coast bias!! |
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| [[Montreal Canadiens]] || B/FFA || 25,770 || |
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| [[Hockey]] || Start || 25,170 || Marginally relevant |
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| [[Sidney Crosby]] || {{GA-symbol}} || 24,990 || |
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| [[Stanley Cup]] || [[Image:LinkFA-star.png]] || 24,780 || |
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| [[Vancouver Canucks]] || B || 22,260 || |
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| [[Hat-trick]] || Start || 20,940 || |
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| [[The Mighty Ducks films]] || Start || 20,790 || Seriously? |
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| [[New York Rangers]] || B || 20,790 |
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[[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 17:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'm personally responsible for some of those Erin Andrews page views. [[User:Patken4|Patken4]] ([[User talk:Patken4|talk]]) 17:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'm with you on that. But (inappropriate commment here) to get into the WP:Hockey? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 18:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* '''Thirty seven thousand people''' look at a ''jockstrap'' article?!? Man. That is proof positive that we should throw all the computers away and go back to [[McGuffey Readers]]. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 17:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Woho, Frölunda totally dominates hit count for SEL teams! With 2,460 hits.... —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 19:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: Well, but if you think about it, getting a tenth the hits of the Toronto Maple Leafs, on a ''foreign language'' Wikipedia, that ain't shabby. I bet they get a good many more hits on sv.wikipedia.org. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 00:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Anon IPs => NHL article == |
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The [[National Hockey League]] article's been vandalized nine times in the last eight hours by several anon IPs. Should we get semi-protection for it? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 16:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Yep, right away. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::It looks at this point like it is only two editors. One is on a Level 4 warning, and will be blocked if they try again. Otherwise the article is pretty stable. I'm watching it, and will bring the hammer down on these two editors if they persist. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::: Eh, they should be forced to watch videos of the 1975 [[Washington Capitals]]-[[Kansas City Scouts]] game. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 17:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Umm, that's just cruel and unusual. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 21:34, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* Okay, now that's fourteen vandalisms in a bit over 24 hours from five different anon IP addresses. Can we go for semi-protection ''now''? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 17:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Get'er done. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I would probably normally deny one with so little vandalism spread out over 24 hours. If 15 had happened in say 3 hours I would probably do it. But with the hockey season beginning it may get worse...so I have semi-protected it for 3 days. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Adding "List of" to NHL team records articles == |
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After a series of hostile, bad-faith moves (targetting me) by {{user|Davegnz}} (on 17 September 2008 between 10:55 and 11:05, EST), I moved all of our NHL team records to include "List of…" at the start of the article name. If you are interested in what precipitated this series of moves, see '''[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft/Lists of surviving aircraft#Ownership, hostility, and disruption|my comments on Davegnz]]'''. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 17:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins season]] article a GA?? == |
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..Not unless, the alternate captains situation is solved. Sydor & Malone ''should not'' be listed. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Why not? They served for a majority of the season, and even still, isn't enough to unqualify it. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font></b>]]''' 00:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Malone & Sydor ''never'' wore the A's while Crosby, Gonchar & Roberts were in the lineup. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:But did when they weren't, which was more often then they were in the lineup. Even Malone was still wearing it in the Eastern Conference Final. (Perhaps this should be discussed on that page). '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font></b>]]''' 00:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Malone wore an 'A' in the Eastern Conference Final, whenver Roberts was a healthy scratch. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:That makes him an alternate captain. If there's no stated standard regarding this, it's a non-argument. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font></b>]]''' 00:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Nope, had Roberts been in the lineup (along with Crosby & Gonchar)? Malone would've been letterless. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Is there a reason why everyone who wore the "A" cannot be listed? Seems to me if they served, they should be listed; if prose is added as a further explination then fantastic. Who says there can only be two? We're the ones who make the rules. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 01:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:If we added every ''fill-in'' alternate captain. The NHL team articles (for example) would potentially end up with 'bout 8 players wearing letters. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 01:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Eh, if a player wore an A he was an alternate captain, even if only for one game. But maybe you could also clarify that he was an interim somewhere in the prose. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 01:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Since I can't stop the article from being ranked an GA (with Malone & Sydor included as alternate captains)? I'm on the loosing end. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 01:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I don't really have a problem with eight people being listed; but anyways, I think we should just remove them, get the article passed at GA, and then discuss what should be done. Now that we have a pretty good system down for how season articles work, similar situations are bound to pop up in the future; we should just discuss it once and be done with it. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 01:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*The standard ought to be that if they wore the "A" even once, they are alternate captains, but with an explanation in a footnote or prose. But, I agree with Blackngold29, that it is something that can be hashed out after it is listed as GA. Definately not a life or death situation until it comes up for FAC --[[User:TheZachMorrisExperience|TheZachMorrisExperience]] ([[User talk:TheZachMorrisExperience|talk]]) 02:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:*I tend to agree with GoodDay on principle - If they fill in for a game or two, that's a bit ridiculous. At the same time, I don't see it as a huge issue here, given the length of time that players wore the A. Naming alternate captains is not as rigid as naming the captain is. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 05:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I agree with that, but we aren't talking about a game or two, this is over half the season. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font></b>]]''' 05:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:*'''Comment:''' Beyond that: (1) It isn't as if alternate captains are a position for which official records are kept, as with captaincies; and (2) Do GAs really need to have no disputes as to formatting, no matter how trivial? For pity's sake, just put in a sentence along the lines of "Roberts, Malone, Sydor and Gonchar all served as alternate captains at varying times during the season" and leave the "A"s out of the roster block altogether. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 13:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::OK having checked the [[1985-86 Montreal Canadiens season]] article, Grsz11 is correct about including Malone. Naslund filled-in for the latter half of that season, with Tremblay on the side-lines. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 14:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC) |
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*Just FYI, as I said when I added Malone and Sydor back into the article, "there were four guys who had the 'A' in the front row of the official team picture, and there were four guys listed with the 'A' on the roster at the end of the season through the playoffs". Mark Eaton had the 'A' for a game when somebody was injured, I remember, but this is clearly a different example. [[User:ConkblockCity|ConkblockCity]] ([[User talk:ConkblockCity|talk]]) 04:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== O'Brien Cup/Trophy == |
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When I took the photo of the [[O'Brien Trophy]] at the Hockey Hall of Fame, I noticed in big letters across the top, "The O'Brien Cup". This was probably the name it was known by, and its official name when donated. For that reason, I think we should rename the article to match what is clearly labelled on the the trophy itself. I don't think that the trophy is commonly known, and it would be likely impossible to determine the most commonly known name of the Trophy, especially during its usage lifetime, since it is has been defunct for many years. Changing it to Cup would be consistent with labelling things as they were known at the time, and especially with what is labelled on the item itself. As a final reason, it would mean it would not be confused with the Larry O'Brien Trophy also. Since it is an FA, that means some further steps would be done also. Does this seem incorrect to you folks? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 23:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: I have made it a [[Talk:O'Brien_Trophy#Requested_move|requested move]]. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 00:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Doesn't sound incorrect to me. As far as all the history books I have read have indicated, it's been called the O'Brien Trophy. Even the NHL and the Hockey Hall of Fame call it that. Now, if there's evidence that it was called the O'Brien Cup for most of the period of time it was being awarded, you'd have a case. Considering that all sources that talk about the award call it "Trophy" and not "Cup", however, I'd say to keep it where it is. [[User:NeoChaosX|NeoChaosX]] <font size="1"> ([[User talk:NeoChaosX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/NeoChaosX|edits]])</font> 00:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I agree. It isn't as if, after all, a different article is named "Dominion Challenge Trophy." [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 02:58, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I think the proper name has been forgotten, that's all. The trophy has not been awarded since 1950, after all. It is mentioned as the O'Brien Cup more than once in "Trail of the Stanley Cup". The 1910 Montreal Wanderers 1910 team photo has a picture of the trophy, looking more or less like it does today, as far as I can tell. As for the HHOF and the NHL, I think it is simply the case that the web site writers are not historians and just accept whatever. I know that those sites are argued as both reliable and as incorrect. I can see the parallel between the Stanley Cup vs. Dominion Challenge Trophy, but since the O'Brien is defunct, and long defunct, I think it is more appropriate to go with its proper name. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 17:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I disagree. I agree that "O'Brien Cup" is the true name of the trophy, but Wikipedia naming policy rests on the term most familiar in English, not the one most proper to the subject. Google searching both terms (+ hockey, - basketball, to weed out the Larry O'Brien Trophy) returns 650 hits for the O'Brien Trophy and only 35 for the O'Brien Cup. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 17:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::What is the exact search string you use in Google to do that? Just curious. I notice that people use that as a basis for article naming. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 18:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:In a ''Time Magazine'' article from 1927, available on the web [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,751734,00.html here], it states the O'Brien Cup. I can look up Globe and Mail article up to 1950. But I think you guys would defer to the name on the HHOF and NHL web sites. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 18:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: I always, always use advanced search, just off the top. The settings here were "O'Brien Trophy" (or "Cup) as a phrase, with must include hockey, and do not include basketball. The point, though, is not what the 1950 Wikipedia would have called the trophy, but the most common term ''today'' for it. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 19:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::: That isn't always true. We use the names of Arenas as they were at the time. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 19:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::That's a different argument entirely though. We dont title the article on the [[Pengrowth Saddledome]] as "Olympic Saddledome" because it was once known as that. The title of the article is the name in current usage. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 19:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Yup, we use the current name if the structure still exists, or the name it is most commonly known by now if it does not (in general). -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: I understand that. My point is that the current usage doesn't match the name of it, doesn't match the name of it when it was used. Because it is not that commonly discussed, it seems that the current name was just 'invented.' without research. Lord Stanley was around when his trophy became commonly known as the Stanley Cup. If we forgot the name of Pompeii and gave it a name in an essay and other people used that name, would you not want to use the name Pompeii, when you found out that was what it was called? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 19:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== 1993–94 Anaheim Mighty Ducks season article == |
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I feel this article should be moved to 1993-94 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim season. Anaheim Mighty Ducks was never their official name so moving the article to meet it's official name at the time would make sense in my opinion. Anyone else see my view? [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 18:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: I understand, but the more common name is Anaheim Mighty Ducks, no? Just create an alias and redirect it. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:: While it may be ture, the only reason it is common is because it's listed on hockeydb as the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, because it cannot read team name first, it has to read city name first. It's the same with the Beast of New Haven (New Haven Beast) and all the foriegn teams (Avangard Omsk - Omsk Avangard). It's quite easy for a non-hockey fan to edit a hockey related article, using hockeydb as a guide and using Anaheim Mighty Ducks. All the other Mighty Ducks season articles read it's official name except this one which is why I rasied the question. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 19:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I wonder how the name [[Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim]] is handled? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::As much as we all use hockeydb here, I think I'd need a citation showing that that website is the only reason Anaheim Mighty Ducks is the most common. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 19:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I would have to agree, hockeydb is not the only reason we name them in that fashion, most media outlets referred to them as such as well. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Ok so I'll admit I'm wrong with my theory, please take it for granted that I am not North American, it would be extremely easy for me to screw up on these issues. I just find it strange that the other Anaheim Mighty Ducks season articles, redirect to read Mighty Ducks of Anaheim seasons, ([[2001–02 Anaheim Mighty Ducks season]] this being an example) [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 19:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::<s>The team name changed from [[Anaheim Mighty Ducks]] to [[Mighty Ducks of Anaheim]] to [[Anaheim Ducks]]. When they switched to Might Ducks of Anaheim most people kept on calling them Anaheim Mighty Ducks. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</s> Apparently I was mistaken, but I could have sworn they started out one way and switched to the other. I guess its probably cause people are used to team nick names coming after city name. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Makes sense, thanks guys for shooting me. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 20:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: Again, it's the most common name, unless it is completely incorrect. As we're discussing in the O'Brien above, that's what we use. Until they changed to the Ducks, I think that newspapers always referred them to as the Anaheim Mighty Ducks. You can do a Google search and compare. I don't think that hockeydb.com is unique in the media in referring to the team as the Anaheim Mighty Ducks. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 19:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* A Google search for "Anaheim Mighty Ducks" turned up 876,000 hits. One for "Mighty Ducks of Anaheim" turned up 123,000. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 15:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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**A Google search with the hits limited on language returns roughly the same difference. It said ''about '''627,000 English''' pages for "Anaheim Mighty Ducks"'' and ''about '''108,000 English''' pages for "Mighty Ducks of Anaheim"''. --[[User:Bamsefar75|Bamsefar75]] ([[User talk:Bamsefar75|talk]]) 16:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::So, ''common-usage'' trumps ''official name''? Just to note: before we changed the [[Anaheim Ducks]] article to its current title (in 2006), it was titled '''Mighty Ducks of Anaheim'''. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:As unfortunate as it may be, the team was officially the "Mighty Ducks of Anaheim" until the 2006-07 season. I would strongly favor, and say that its correct to historically reference the team as such during that time frame. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] ([[User talk:Ccwaters|talk]]) 23:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::No no, I think the good folks have settled an agreement to keep it the way it is. Perhaps we should change any existing article reading the official name and change them to read its common name, if that what we are trying to suggest with these numbers. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 14:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== 2008-09 NHL team season articles == |
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I'm getting anxious. Is it alright if I start adding the ''captains'' to the articles infoboxes? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 23:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'm definately getting anxious too. I would think if you can cite it, preferably in the prose somewhere, than it would be fine. Although I don't think all teams have made their leaders official yet, I haven't seen anything about Penguins' assistants since Gonchar got hurt. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 04:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I could leave the ''alternate captains'' unlisted, until after the reg. season begins. But, I'll add the ''captains'' now. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 13:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Feel better? ;-) - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 15:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Yep, now I won't be sqirming on the floor & biting my sleeves anymore; ha ha. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I will get to see an NHL game live for the first time in my life! —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 15:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Congrats, Krm. Be prepared to see a ton of penalties, though. Under the post-Lockout rules, a player gets 2-min for holding, by simply brushing snow off his opponents jersey. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== What to do about Mats Sundin == |
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Assuming Mats Sundin won't be signing with the Maple Leafs any time soon (if ever) & the Maple Leafs ''don't'' name a new captain at the start of the reg season; shall we remove him as Leafs captain? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:It would seem that, if the season starts, and he's not on the roster, and there's nobody named to wear the C, that the position is effectively vacated at that point. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 22:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Yeah at that point it would make sense to remove him. Or preemptively list [[John Tavares]] as the captain....-[[User:Wafulz|Wafulz]] ([[User talk:Wafulz|talk]]) 22:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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OK, remove it will be. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC) |
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* One consideration: we are in no rush, and no one's handing out awards for scoops. When the Maple Leafs make an announcement, or the team takes the ice for the regular season without a "C", we follow their lead. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 19:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== NHL rules & the Canucks == |
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What should we do at the [[Vancouver Canucks]] article? concerning ''Captain'' Roberto Loungo. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:You should probably put Vancouver Luongo in the captain's area, but footnote it to say that Willie Mitchell is the designated man to speak with the referee.-[[User:Wafulz|Wafulz]] ([[User talk:Wafulz|talk]]) 19:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I'm curious as to see how the NHL views this. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:For some reason I'm under the impression that the Caps tried it with Kolzig and didn't get away with it.-[[User:Wafulz|Wafulz]] ([[User talk:Wafulz|talk]]) 19:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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: Footnoting is likely the way to go. Obviously the Canucks can declare that Skippy the Wonder Llama is the official team captain, but a non-goalie on the ice is the only one who can legally wear a "C" on his jersey. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 19:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Somebody pinch me, please. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I added Luongo as the captain, but we should have footnotes to both Mitchell handling on ice official duties, as well as to Ohlund being used in special situations, such as ceremonial faceoffs. – <font color="black">[[User:Nurmsook|Nurmsook!]]</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Nurmsook|<font color="darkblue">talk...</font>]]''</sup> 19:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Ahhh, special duties alternate captains? somebody give me spelling salts. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::You get far to worked up about captains. :) Just breathe... -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::I think I'm having a 'wiki-breakdown'. I'll try standing on my head, for a few hrs. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:You know, when I saw this section title on my watchlist, I was thinking of something entirely different... like how certain rules don't apply to the Canucks in Vancouver. But that might just be my Calgary bias showing. ;o) Simply put, the NHL won't recognize Luongo as team captain. It has to be a skater. I'd say list the NHL recognized captain/assistant captains in the infobox and add a note in prose that the team chose to name Luongo the honourary captain. And then watchlist the damn thing because IPs will be reverting it on a daily basis... [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 20:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I think rather than "(unofficial)" we should go with a footnote (for both instances) on the bottom of the page (in the same way as a citation) that says Luongo's captaincy is not recognized by the NHL, if that is in fact the correct statement. From the TSN article, all it says it that he can't wear the "C" so maybe that is the appropriate footnote. Also include that Ohlund is the ceremonial captain while Mitchell is the on-ice captain, even though that makes no sense to people who don't know about the situation. -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 20:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::(Still standing on my head), I thought the Wild bugged me with the season rotating captaincy thing; but, the Canucks take the cake. Anyways, In agreement with Bmitchell. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I too think there should be a footnote to clarify. "Unofficial" by itself is misleading. He is, after all, officially named captain by the team. – [[User:Skyezx|<span style="color:#1E90FF">'''Skyezx'''</span>]][[User talk:Skyezx|<span style="color:#4682B4"><sup>message</sup></span>]] 06:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:NHL.com has announced his captaincy. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 20:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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===six or five?=== |
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six or five captains? [http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=251272&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main tsn.ca] says six. I can only find five. [[Bill Durnan]], [[Charlie Gardiner (ice hockey)]], [[George Hainsworth]], [[Roberto Luongo]], [[John Ross Roach]] [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 21:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Five's all I found in a cursory search. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 22:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Does this really warrant [[:Category:NHL goalie captains|a category]]? And, if it does, it should definitely be renamed to something like [[:Category:National Hockey League goaltenders who have served as team captain]]. [[User:Skudrafan1|Skudrafan1]] ([[User talk:Skudrafan1|talk]]) 22:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:::We determined captains for regular players shouldn't be made into a category, so I would probably agree for goaltenders and make it a List instead. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 22:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::::A list works. Or a category. I don't mind either way. [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 22:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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It's all a big publicity stunt, I feel. There's no one else on the team who stands out as captain material, so the Canucks need to break a rule, one that specifically states a goalie can't be captain. And for the record, I was thinking of the mess this would cause on Wikipedia while I watched the press conference. I can't believe I did that. [[User:Kaiser matias|Kaiser matias]] ([[User talk:Kaiser matias|talk]]) 00:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I found two more [[Alex Connell]] and [[Roy Worters]]. I got those from tsn.ca [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 00:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Yep, [http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2008/09/captain-puckstopper.html this article] lists the seven we have. -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 04:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Victoria Cup == |
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Is it just me... or has the NHL virtually ignored the [[Victoria Cup (ice hockey)|Victoria Cup]]?... No major network seems to be carrying it... and I don't see much of a reference to it on NHL.com... This is being played for a large chunk of cash as a prize... it would be nice to be able to watch it on TSN or CBC... Any thoughts? [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 20:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:I think this is because it's such a random concept thus far. It was put together too quickly I find. Maybe if we actually see the Stanley Cup champion versus the Champions Hockey League champion (ie: top European team versus top NHL team) in future Victoria Cup's, we'll see more interest. But hey, look at the FIFA Club World Cup. It's by far one of the less popular FIFA tounaments, completely pales in comparison to the UEFA Champions League. I think the whole concept has a few years to go before it gets some steam behind it. Until then, it'll just have to be up to us to push the concept ;) – <font color="black">[[User:Nurmsook|Nurmsook!]]</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Nurmsook|<font color="darkblue">talk...</font>]]''</sup> 21:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::Is this year's competition even being played for prize money? That would be kind of dumb since the Rangers were just an arbitrary selection (and they don't really need the money with their expensive tickets). -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:As far as I know it is for 1,000,000 Swiss Francs. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 02:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Maybe that is just in the future. [http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=384160 This article] doesn't say anything about a reward, aside from the trophy. You would think a prize would be mentioned if there is one. -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 04:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Google search: [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Victoria+Cup%22+francs "Victoria Cup" francs] gives some results that mention that reward. — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 06:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::[http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Recap&gameNumber=1002&season=20082009&gameType=1] It is mentioned here too. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 06:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== hockeydb new look == |
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Just noticed that hockeydb.com has changed their look, however, when viewing an existing hockeydb profile it reads the old layout in basic form. From my sources, the old address read pdisplay.php3?pid before the profile's number where in the updated layout, the 3 is removed. Does anyone know how to change the hockeydb code? [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 03:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:The template is located at [[Template:Hockeydb]]. I'm not sure exactly what change needs to be made, so I'll let somebody else take care of that, or you if you could clarify. Thanks :-) - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 03:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::As it's protected only administrators can edit it at this time. I'll state an example of what would need changed. Say [[Paul Kariya]] for example. The old layout reads http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=2640 and the new layout reads http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2640. The 3 in between php and ?pid in missing, so it definatley won't take much to change it. But again only admins can edit it. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 04:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I am an admin ;-) . I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AHockeydb&diff=242898138&oldid=240097858 made the change]. I've also spot-checked quite a few links using the template - seems to be okay. - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 04:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Nice one! Well only [[Damian Surma]] and [[Ray Sheppard]] (my most recent edits) seem to read the old layout, but [[Bruno St. Jacques]] was the same and after an edit, it read the new layout all right, so maybe for the other two, I'll just make a minor edit solely for them to work. Thanks for your time. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 04:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Both Surma and Sheppard now read the new layout. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 04:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Excellent! I assume it didn't change immediately because of the [[Help:Job queue|job queue]]. Thanks for pointing this out to us. - [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 04:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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About time, the new format looks much better. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 07:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Teams notability == |
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I'm not sure if the [[Detroit Dragons]] and the [[Chelsea Tornadoes]] are sufficiently notable and am wondering if an AfD is in order, but I can't find a relevant standard. Both were expansion teams in the [[Mid-Atlantic Hockey League]], but the league folded before the teams played a single game. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font></b>]]''' 22:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Did they play games? If so then I would say they are. I am sure there are reliable sources out there talking about them. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 00:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::They did not play games. They were schedule to begin the 2008-09 season, which now isn't going to take place. '''[[User:Grsz11|<font color="black">Grsz</font>]][[User talk:Grsz11|<b><font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font></b>]]''' 16:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I'd say to just redirect the team articles to the league page. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::That's what I was gonna say but you beat me to it. Glad to see at least somebody sharing my opinion. [[User:Raphie|Raphie]] ([[User talk:Raphie|talk]]) 17:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Yup, thats what I would suggest as well if they didn't play any games. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 17:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Adding "name" parameter to player infobox. == |
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It has been suggested that [[Template talk:Infobox Ice Hockey Player#Name|my proposal]] to add a "name" parameter to {{tl|Infobox Ice Hockey Player}} should be mentioned here; I'm happy to do so. Adding a name will not only make the infobox more in-keeping with other biographical infoboxes used on Wikipedia, but will facilitate the use of an [[hCard]] [[microformat]]. Please comment on the template's talk page, not here, as I'll be watching there. Thank you. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] (User:Pigsonthewing); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Andy's talk]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]] 19:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Mike Brown == |
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Essentially, we have three articles for Mike Brown hockey players as can be seen at [[Mike Brown (ice hockey)]]. Now, two of these articles sort of have a random name. Basically, we have one Mike Brown born in 1979, so he fits the [[Mike Brown (ice hockey b. 1979)]] mold, but we have two Mike Brown's born in 1985 with articles titled [[Mike Brown (forward)]] and [[Mike Brown (goaltender)]]. I was just wondering what your guys' thoughts would be on moving these articles so that we at least have the standard "ice hockey" term in the title? Or should they just stay the way they are? I personally am a fan of having the ice hockey term in the title, but to one his own. Any opinions? – <font color="black">[[User:Nurmsook|Nurmsook!]]</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Nurmsook|<font color="darkblue">talk...</font>]]''</sup> 03:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I think this discussion regarding him came up before, and this was the solution. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 03:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::dab's of this sort are always ugly. You could possibly go to [[Mike Brown (ice hockey forward)]] and [[Mike Brown (ice hockey goaltender)]] if you really want ice hockey in the dab, but other than that, its going to be ugly no matter how we do it. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 03:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I am good either way. [[Stephane Richer (ice hockey defence)]] was an example of the other way, but its since been changed to coach. Which actually highlights the issues with dabs. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 04:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:The problem is that [[Mike Brown (ice hockey b. 1979)]] is also a forward. Ha ha! — [[User:Twas Now|'''Twas ''Now''''']] <small>( [[User talk:Twas Now|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twas Now|contribs]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Twas Now|e-mail]] )</small> 07:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Are there no middle names that we could disambiguate these fellows with? [[User:NeoChaosX|NeoChaosX]] <font size="1"> ([[User talk:NeoChaosX|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/NeoChaosX|edits]])</font> 07:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::No idea, I've always been of the position time is better spent improving articles that searching for middle names to replace brackets. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 13:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Krm500 up for adminship == |
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[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] is up for a adminship and since he is a very active member of this project, I figured y'all would best be able to comment on his adminship qualities in either direction. His nomination is at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Krm500]]. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[World Hockey Association]] reversion war == |
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Just FYI, over the last few days, [[User:Average Guy]] and [[User:Gold Dragon]] are getting into it big over on the WHA page, involving Average Guy placing some fact tags, and Gold Dragon removing them with neither comment nor sources. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 18:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Page is protected for now forcing discussion, so go over and discuss the dispute, however its pretty cut and dry. One thinks fact tags belong and the other doesn't. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 19:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Yep, I just figured that while no one had gone over 3RR, there'd been a ''lot'' of reverts. Thanks for the assist. [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 19:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Pens media guide == |
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I posted this over on the Pens talk page, but I think it's good enough to mention here. The 2008-09 media guide [http://penguins.nhl.com/ext/pdf/0809MediaGuide-v1.pdf is avalible] as a PDF, and is 421 pages in length. Now, I don't know if I should do this because some of you like your statistics way too much and we may never see you again, but it's some pretty astounding stuff. But hey, you never know when somebody will ask "What was the longest home winless streak for the Penguins in the 1977-78 season?" And you'll proudly be able to respond: 5! '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 23:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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* ''Four hundred twenty one'' pages? Jesu-Maria, does it come complete with Ken Schinkel's jock size and the middle name of the daughter-in-law of Lowell MacDonald? [[User:RGTraynor|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> RGTraynor </span>''']] 23:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I looked at it for like ten minutes, page-by-page and I realized the scroll bar had barely moved, then I looked at the page count and realized why. Whoever typed these stats up must've been sitting at a computer for three years straight. 15 MB isn't all that bad for every stat in the history of the franchise. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 23:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I went through it, and really didn't find much of anything that isn't included in the Oilers and Flames media guides from last year, both of which are just under 300 pages. The difference is that there is a lot of wasted space in some of the Pens information. Especially the all-time roster sections. Still, as I said on the Pens talk page, the big advantage is that it is freely available, and easily accessable. I gotta pay $10 for a Flames or WHL media guide. That said, it's amazing what they pack into these things. I just randomly found a list of every playoff OT game the Flames have ever played, how long they lasted and who scored the winning goal... and I've been through that guide so many times the spine is broken in two places. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 00:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::A copule teams now provide their media guides online. I'm pretty sure that Washington has all of theirs online, as well as Atlanta. That said, I just bought my copy of the 2009 NHL Record Book the other day, and alreay found an error, one that is correct on Wikipedia. Most playoff OT goals is 8 by Joe Sakic, not the 7 they have in the book. Forgot to add the 1 he scored this past spring. [[User:Kaiser matias|Kaiser matias]] ([[User talk:Kaiser matias|talk]]) 01:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Current roster, injury tags == |
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Just wanna say, the new tags (the little medical cross) are super. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 23:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I agree, the rosters are really looking good, probably the best format of all of the sports leagues. The only I would consider changing is the reference link to the team's official cite; would it screw the template up if we put in a traditional <nowiki><ref>Ref template</ref></nowiki>? Would it just show up at the bottom of whatever page it's on in the References? That would be awesome. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 23:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::They'd look better if silly names that will never see NHL ice because the player got hurt in training camp weren't included, but that will sort itself out. ;) [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 00:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Yeah, once all teams announce their final 23-man rosters—including the four teams who were allowed 24-men in Europe—all that should be worked out within a week or so. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 02:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Is there a way that we can make the image link to the page "Injured reserve" as the old "(IR)" did? It looks very sharp! -- '''<font color="FF4500">[[User:Bmitchelf|bmitchelf]]</font>'''•[[User talk:Bmitchelf|T]]•'''''<font color="FF0000">[[User:Bmitchelf/Favorites|F]]</font>''''' 01:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Hmm, looks a lot like the Swiss flag, anyone know if we have a similar icon with white background, red cross, because I think it would be more suitable. Also, the previous discussion regarding separating goaltenders, defencemen, and forwards died out. Should we try to reach consensus or be happy with what we got? —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 01:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Looked at commons and there are two alternatives; [[Image:Injured.svg|15px]] and [[Image:Star of life2.svg|15px]]. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 02:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::It'd take 10 seconds and MS Paint to make a new one if needed. ;) As far as the linking of IR goes, we could incorporate the {{tn|Click}} template for the image. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 02:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== non notable? == |
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does this guy [[George Pelawa]] deserve his own article? i know he died early, but does that make him notable? i mean he was a highschool star, not a pro star. [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 01:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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<s>:It could go either way, but I'm leaning toward not notable. It seems as if the article is based on his asserted potential, which may or may not have played out as expected. I would think most states name a player best in the state each year, and per the info included that would appear to be his biggest accomplishment. If/when the Flames have a History of the franchise article, I think the info could be merged there. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 02:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</s> |
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::This is kinda in [[Mickey Renaud]] territory... but drafted higher... I'm more inclined to say keep it... but I dunno, is he notable enough? I've never heard of him until now sadly. [[User:DMighton|DMighton]] ([[User talk:DMighton|talk]]) 02:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Mickey doesn't have his own article, just a mention on his team's page. Maybe something like that is the best fit for George Pelawa too. [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 02:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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He passes the [[WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE|notability guidelines]] on being a first round draft pick. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 02:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:And the subject of multiple, non trivial sources. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 02:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:I created the page because he was a first-round draft pick, not because he died. As per the notability guidelines posted by Krm500, first-round draft picks are notable. [[User:Skudrafan1|Skudrafan1]] ([[User talk:Skudrafan1|talk]]) 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::sounds good to me :) I was just checking. [[User:Masterhatch|Masterhatch]] ([[User talk:Masterhatch|talk]]) 02:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Game log recap links == |
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I don't know if there was a recomended link to each game of the individual game recaps on season page game logs, but I would like to propose that it be the "NHL.com recap page". [http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2008020005 The page] contains the AP article, box score, a preview of the game, and thanks to NHL.com's awesome redesign: Video highlights of every game (a pretty good amount too). Should we reach consensus on this or are there any other recomendations? '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 03:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:My recommendation is to dump them. Wikipedia is not a linkfarm. IMNSHO. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 04:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I like them. Every bit of info you want and more! And it's from the the official site, so it should be good. [[User:Jc121383|Jc121383]] ([[User talk:Jc121383|talk]]) 04:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I think I could see the argument for eliminating them, but if I'm some random dude who comes on looking for info (either next week or in 10 years) and I see a game that peaks my intrest for whatever reason, I think it's cool that we can provide quick access to in-depth coverage of that game. I guess if you really want that info you could go to NHL.com and seach it up, but I bet more people would click on the link if it's there than going to another site. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 04:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with Resolute. And the problem is that we don't know long the links will be active. 10 years is really questionable if you ask me. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 04:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::[http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/ The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette] has articles dating back to around 1995 and there are online databases which have articles that appeared in newspapers from the 1960s to the present day. I don't think they're gonna go dead anytime soon because storage will inevitably become smaller, but then again, different companies do different things. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 13:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::We're not here to drive traffic to other websites though. A single link the team page more than sufficies. From there, an interested reader can browse a list of games from that season. Basically, per both [[WP:EL]] and [[MOS:LINK]], we should not be using 82 external links where one will suffice. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 14:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I would agree, I don't like the recap links for the reasons that Resolute just linked. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 14:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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